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How much did Palin hurt our chances by not running ?

Posted on 03/26/2012 9:12:25 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative

Obviously we will never know for sure. But how different would this race be right now in your opinion ? What would it look like ?

Would she have been just another piece in the "not romney" revolving door or would she have broke through ?

Would she have won the nomination ? and then the election ?

I honestly think Palin not running was the most significant event of the primary campaign to date.


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1 posted on 03/26/2012 9:12:36 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
I never thought she'd run in the first place so I'm not worrying about it.

I wish Daniels ran. Didn't happen. I work what what I have and voted for Santorum hoping for a brokered convention.

2 posted on 03/26/2012 9:14:48 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Romney Smear machine would have smeared her to.
3 posted on 03/26/2012 9:16:40 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Palin would be winning.

Sarah Palin could still run and win it all. I hope she does. Do you hear me Sarah?


4 posted on 03/26/2012 9:20:46 PM PDT by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

She’s 48, vibrant, can energize the base and anything is possible in politics.

Reagan was put on the RNC crap list when he spoke for Goldwater in the 64 convention, he ticked some off in 68 by running in the primaries. They said he was through but talent does find a way.

Perhaps it’s not her calling, perhaps she wants to do other things. The conservative base is BETTER when she entered the scene in 08....and she isn’t going away.

To paraphrase Yoda:

“Democrats, stopped they must be; on this all depends. Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his ally, will conquer Obama and his Emperor. If you end your training now - if you choose the quick and easy path as Obama did - you will become an agent of evil.”


5 posted on 03/26/2012 9:21:14 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Darren McCarty

I think Mitch Daniels would have been a great candidate.


6 posted on 03/26/2012 9:42:02 PM PDT by NMCicero
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To: ak267
Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his her ally, will conquer Obama and his Emperor.

There, fixed it.

7 posted on 03/26/2012 9:42:46 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (Newt's not a perfect candidate but Jesus isn't running this year. - shoff)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Perhaps you don’t remember 2008??? That happens to the young, they forget the past.

It would have been that on steroids. Even the GOP-E were sharpening sabers every day...I am sure you remember the snarky comments from the likes of Krauthammer and Rove and Coulter.

There is a reason that decent people decide to opt out of politics


8 posted on 03/26/2012 9:44:01 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Sara,sara,sara,.... (sigh) if she were running rommney would be gone by now.


9 posted on 03/26/2012 9:44:24 PM PDT by Iron head mike (The government will soon make criminals of us all.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I actually think Mike Pence choosing not to run, Tim Pawlenty wimping out, and Rick Perry going off half-cocked were also serious problems.

As for the rest of the didn’t-runs, well it is easy to see them as white knights from here, but there would have been major problems with all and any of them.

Palin probably should have run, but she chose not to.

She will not become a white knight at the convention, I feel sure about that.

If Romney gets the nomination and we lose (GOD FORBID!!!!!!), personally I’ll be blaming Rick Perry.

He could have been a contender, instead of a bum, which he is.


10 posted on 03/26/2012 9:49:13 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
She should have run - and stayed out of any and all “debates” with other Republicans moderated by wire service journalism.

She would have lapped the field.

11 posted on 03/26/2012 9:49:46 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I dont know that she would win the nomination, but she would have a real hard time winning the general.


12 posted on 03/26/2012 9:50:24 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Raider Sam
She was saying “Drill, baby, drill!” when gas was cheaper than it’s gonna be in November.

If he’d have thought that Palin would be his general election opponent, Obama wouldn’t have dared to veto the Keystone Pipeline.

13 posted on 03/26/2012 9:57:40 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

0%


14 posted on 03/26/2012 9:58:02 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Get over it.


15 posted on 03/26/2012 10:08:38 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

As much as I like her...she would have been sliced and diced just like all the other candidates (Santorum is going thru the grinder now) and I think she knew it. Noone on our team is ten feet tall and bullet proof except Myth..and that is only temporary.

He was the Establishment choice from the beginning and the media is gleefully playing along until he gets the nomination.

I am praying for a brokered convention. The outcome may be the same...but maybe our voices can be heard. Hopefully Rick and Newt (and even Paul, for that matter) can stay in long enough to deny the delegates to Romney.

Sarah was very wise to abstain.


16 posted on 03/26/2012 10:16:09 PM PDT by berdie
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Palin/Ryan 2012. Sounds good to me.


17 posted on 03/26/2012 10:17:00 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: ak267

Sorry. Terrible choice of a decent Yoda saying. Does not apply to situation.


18 posted on 03/26/2012 10:21:16 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Agreed. Totally. She was the only one who could have tapped the populist vote from Obama.


19 posted on 03/26/2012 10:21:58 PM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: jocon307

Well .. he’s not a bum .. when you consider he has the most profitable state in the Union .. and a state that’s one of the biggest in the Union; that’s a pretty good accomplishment.

He’s a spectacular Governor .. and who knows .. in 4 years he could make a better run.

I was betting on him too .. in fact I wanted Rick & Rick. A Governor and a former Senator .. makes a great team. They are both Christians - pro-life - that’s a great combination.

So, don’t be so willing to run Rick into the ground.

As for Mike Pence .. after he’s served as Governor, he’ll have just the right experience to be a presidential candidate. I really like him too.

I’m sorry Palin didn’t run too. I really wanted to see her take on the “elites” and put them in their place.


20 posted on 03/26/2012 10:43:46 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: jocon307

Well .. he’s not a bum .. when you consider he has the most profitable state in the Union .. and a state that’s one of the biggest in the Union; that’s a pretty good accomplishment.

He’s a spectacular Governor .. and who knows .. in 4 years he could make a better run.

I was betting on him too .. in fact I wanted Rick & Rick. A Governor and a former Senator .. makes a great team. They are both Christians - pro-life - that’s a great combination.

So, don’t be so willing to run Rick into the ground.

As for Mike Pence .. after he’s served as Governor, he’ll have just the right experience to be a presidential candidate. I really like him too.

I’m sorry Palin didn’t run too. I really wanted to see her take on the “elites” and put them in their place.


21 posted on 03/26/2012 10:45:47 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
How much did Palin hurt our chances by not running?

Not much, if at all.

Obviously we will never know for sure. But how different would this race be right now in your opinion ? What would it look like?

She'd be about where Santorum is, maybe a bit less. She would have taken Santorum out of the running quite a while back. Would that have been good? I guess it depends on your views on Santorum.

Would she have been just another piece in the "not romney" revolving door or would she have broke through?

"Not Romney". I have never been convinced that she has broad appeal in the party, much less across the spectrum.

Would she have won the nomination?

Maybe. Doubtful.

and then the election?

Pretty sure the answer is "no".

22 posted on 03/26/2012 10:58:22 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Seamus Sez: "Good dogs don't let their masters vote for Mitt!")
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Her decsion hurt our chances of nominating a good conservative. Only SHE had the star power to overcome Milt’s riches. Bob


23 posted on 03/26/2012 11:06:58 PM PDT by alstewartfan ( 27 of 36 Romney judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Newt’s remarks (on Hannity & as reported by Beckel today) about shortening the time the Dems have to react to and stage a campaign against the eventual winner only add to the environment necessary to inject Palin into the mix in August. Too many creds establish her as the victor in the general—drill, baby, drill, revealing the death-panel philosophy, earlier defeats of crony capitalism, battles of right over might (including those in the GOP), troop-support, clear social/moral principles. She’s got it all—including the disdain of the elite media.


24 posted on 03/26/2012 11:12:20 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Sarah could have run, and saved the country by a landslide in 2012.

The exact same thing goes for Bolton in the last election.


25 posted on 03/26/2012 11:22:14 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

If anything hurt, it was conservatives holding off on picking any other conservative candidate they could support, waiting because they “knew” Sarah Palin was going to get in the race.

Imagine if, back in March of 2011, 60-80% of the conservatives had decided to back Newt Gingrich — instead of waiting until December of 2011.

He’d have raised millions of dollars during the preparation phase. He’d have been able to set up actual organizations in all 50 states. He wouldn’t have lost his campaign staffers to Rick Perry.

In fact, Rick Perry would have never entered the race, because there would have been no need of a “conservative alternative to Mitt Romney”. That means the millions Perry could raise would have been raised for Newt Gingrich, when Perry endorsed him.

But instead, when Newt Gingrich joined the race, he was soundly ridiculed. He was denounced as a RINO, dismissed for his liberal positions on global warming, TARP, and the like. He was rejected as a conservative, and ignored as a candidate. He wasn’t given the time of day, and conservatives here and elsewhere treated him as the guy who could debate but wasn’t presidential material.

That all changed after Sarah Palin announced she wasn’t running, after Cain destructed and dropped out. But by then it apparently was too late — he was unable to gain traction for more than a month or so, he didn’t have the organization to get on the ballot in the state he lived in, and he didn’t have the money to compete on the airwaves, even in Iowa, where Santorum was able to beat him as was Romney.

Would Gingrich have gotten support back in March of 2011, if so many conservatives weren’t waiting for the assumed entrance of Sarah Palin? I don’t know, but from the past three months here at FR it appears Gingrich was the perfect conservative candidate, so what other reason could there be that a candidate who had 60% FR support 3 months ago couldn’t even scrape up a decent ping list when he started his run?


26 posted on 03/26/2012 11:28:52 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
How much did Palin hurt our chances by not running ?

Palin didn't hurt our chances by not running. She didn't owe it to us to run. It's her life. I wish she had run, but you've framed your question in a way that accuses her of doing harm.

Why do you post in such victimized terms?

27 posted on 03/26/2012 11:31:06 PM PDT by Chunga (Ron Paul is a fruitcakey jackass.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I was very devastated she didn’t run and I know she would have taken it. Still not over it. :(


28 posted on 03/26/2012 11:50:32 PM PDT by denimnlace (In search of America...........)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

It makes me sick that we have the most beatable incumbent in my lifetime and the GOP ends up fielding a bunch of wienies.

Palin would have gotten a lot more grass root support than any of the current crop.

Now it looks like Willard will get the nod and he turns the stomach of true conservatives more than any of them. It’s almost like the establishment GOP wants to lose.


29 posted on 03/27/2012 12:32:18 AM PDT by Bullish
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At this point, it`s inconsequential. The Romney machine, aided by the 0bama press, would`ve ground her into the dirt like everyone else. She was damaged goods from the start, so her chances would`ve been miniscule at best anyway.


30 posted on 03/27/2012 2:26:27 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: NMCicero

Compared to this bumbling foursome, yes, Mitch Daniels would`ve been a great candidate. Of course, image-conscious America wouldn`t be able to get past the balding short guy thing, though.


31 posted on 03/27/2012 2:31:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: rurgan

Agree!


32 posted on 03/27/2012 2:37:26 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel; ak267
Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his her ally, will conquer Obama and his Emperor.

You might enjoy this:

(Vanity) Barack Obama and Reinhold Neibuhr, or, He Finds Your Lack of Faith Disturbing

Cheers!

33 posted on 03/27/2012 3:33:27 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

“Romney Smear machine would have smeared her to.”

It’s would’ve been even worse. The smear machine of Romney combined with the GOP establishment would’ve treated her worse than the libs did in ‘08. She kicked corrupt GOP ass in Alaska and would do the same in DC; they wouldn’t want to deal with that.


34 posted on 03/27/2012 3:48:10 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

The race ain’t over !!
I’m voting for Palin this Fall.


35 posted on 03/27/2012 4:27:50 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: CyberAnt

I’m just very afraid of what 4 more years of Obama will do to this country.

I don’t think he’ll declare martial law or anything totally out-there like that. But he’s been doing a really crappy job so far and he’s made it pretty clear that he intends to do “even more!” with no re-election hanging over his head.

He’s entirely responsible for letting the Middle East fall apart on his watch. He’ attempted one un-constitutional power grab after another.

And the very worst problem with Obama is the way the media covers for him. That part of the “plan” is still working.

I think that even if he did something like declare martial law the NY Times, et al. would say that was just fine.

So no, Rick Perry isn’t really a bum and nobody HAS to run for President.

But I’m very afraid the Republican habit of Mr. Next-in-line could be a very bad thing again this time.


36 posted on 03/27/2012 4:34:26 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

Pawlenty is a wimp! Good riddance!


37 posted on 03/27/2012 5:03:01 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: rurgan

> Sarah Palin could still run and win it all. I hope she
> does. Do you hear me Sarah?

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38 posted on 03/27/2012 5:04:50 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Bush’s fault?

It ain’t over till it’s over.


39 posted on 03/27/2012 5:07:09 AM PDT by McGruff (Sarah...Sarah...Sarah!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Governor Palin read the cards right. She learned from first hand experience how powerful the GOP-e really is when they maneuvered McCain into taking a dive. She almost spoiled their plot with her tremendous popularity and that is why they've been on a mission of personal destruction against her not only to punish but to reassure she doesn't surface to the top in 2012.

Governor Palin, along with others with acute abilities to interpret the political atmosphere have concluded that the GOP-e is preparing the environment to take another dive. The GOP-e will run a winning campaign, a winning campaign for Obama not the GOP.

Their mission is to destroy Conservatism!!!

40 posted on 03/27/2012 5:19:00 AM PDT by varon (Congress is a sanctuary for political criminals)
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To: grey_whiskers
I *did* enjoy it ... very prescient. Thanks for sharing!

(Darth N00b ... LOL!!)

41 posted on 03/27/2012 9:50:38 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (Newt's not a perfect candidate but Jesus isn't running this year. - shoff)
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To: Nifster

“Perhaps you don’t remember 2008??? That happens to the young, they forget the past.

It would have been that on steroids. Even the GOP-E were sharpening sabers every day...I am sure you remember the snarky comments from the likes of Krauthammer and Rove and Coulter.”

This. The GOP nomenklatura have the candidate they want right now, and they will see him nominated at all costs. It will cost them everything.


42 posted on 03/27/2012 11:56:27 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Governor G. Romney, father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: Bullish

“It’s almost like the establishment GOP wants to lose.”

Ever hear of Vidkun Quisling?


43 posted on 03/27/2012 12:01:52 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Governor G. Romney, father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: Psalm 144

bttt


44 posted on 03/27/2012 12:09:15 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

We will never know. There was a time when I’d have supported her to the hilt. No more. She coyly demurred way too long and, I think, contributed to the slate of contestants we began, and now have ended up with. For this, I’m pissed, to tell you the truth. I wish her well, but I’d just as soon she stay home.


45 posted on 03/27/2012 12:12:53 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Psalm 144

Most likely so....


46 posted on 03/27/2012 3:02:15 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ak267

Your example of Reagan in 1968 is quite apt.

Reagan was put in the sh*t list for backing Goldwater. He tried to stage a putsch in Miami Beach, but Nixon had Strom Thurmond behind him rallying the Southern delegates. Thurmond told Reagan that his time would come.

Palin did not run because she understood that, even should she win the nomination, the Establishment would Goldwater her. She is not strong enough to challenge them yet, and Romney is determined to run, and lose, against Obama.

Palin will be back, in 2016.

Best,

Chris


47 posted on 03/27/2012 3:37:48 PM PDT by section9
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

>>...Would she have won the nomination and then the election?...<<

I wouldn’t pause for a split second before voting for her. Compared to the current slate, I believe she would stand head and shoulders above them all.

However, consider how Romney is doing. There is a significant chunk of the electorate voting for Romney when they have Santorum, Gingrich and Crazy-Uncle Paul to freely choose from as well. This tells me that, although I (and a bunch of Freepers) would strongly support Palin — there are a whole lot more voters who would vote the way the MSM tells them to vote. Or, at least it seems that way.

We should all know by now that just because someone registers to vote as a republican, that does not mean they are conservative. As depressing as it is, the support Romney enjoys should be given a good bit of consideration when trying to figure out how Palin would do in a national election.


48 posted on 03/27/2012 4:27:11 PM PDT by jaydee770
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To: Psalm 144
Yeah, then what?

All your base r belong to us?

:^)

49 posted on 03/27/2012 6:46:34 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: Bullish

In a nutshell.


50 posted on 03/27/2012 10:02:34 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Governor G. Romney, father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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