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Q: What if guns get designated as destructive force under the healthcare law? (vanity)

Posted on 03/28/2012 9:24:50 AM PDT by indianyogi

If we can be compelled to buy health insurance, can we be compelled to give up or not be able to buy guns?


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KEYWORDS: abortion; banglist; chat; deathpanels; obamacare; vanity; zerocare

1 posted on 03/28/2012 9:24:54 AM PDT by indianyogi
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To: indianyogi

We can be compelled to flitter like butterflies to the moon.

Enforcement’s a different issue.


2 posted on 03/28/2012 9:28:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: indianyogi

One of the primary reasons we have them is so they can’t take them away.........


3 posted on 03/28/2012 9:28:45 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: indianyogi

There is nothing they cannot compel or prohibit you from doing

because there is nothing that you do that won’t have

“a substantial effect on the cost of healthcare”.


4 posted on 03/28/2012 9:30:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: indianyogi

I don’t think it would apply....that IS what the 2nd Amendment is FOR!


5 posted on 03/28/2012 9:30:22 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: indianyogi

On the flip side, we could also be compelled to buy them. I think this is a much more realistic hypothetical since you wouldn’t have a 2nd amendment violation to contend with before the court.

If the current health-care mandate argument is because it concerns “public health”, then I’d think we can be compelled to purchase guns using the argument for “public safety”.


6 posted on 03/28/2012 9:32:48 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: indianyogi
A: Lexington & Concord
7 posted on 03/28/2012 9:35:06 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: indianyogi

This will be able to apply to anything. We have to drive McDonalds out of business in the interest of public health. We can’t have all these people eating that fattening food, coming up with health ailments and driving up the cost of healthcare.


8 posted on 03/28/2012 9:35:39 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: indianyogi

This Healthcare law is about Power...this will give GOV’T almost ABSOLUTE POWER! What doesn’t apply to people’s health? Air,Food,everything will be able to be under the thumb of the Gov’t. Imagine the Obama’s decide that Obesity is a health epidemic....would it be too hard to believe that thru Grocery “Extra points” cards they could tell you what to buy in the store? Or How many Big Mac’s you could eat.....KILL OBAMACARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


9 posted on 03/28/2012 9:36:40 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: MrB

I would say that Twinkies and pork rinds are involved more in the the cost of healthcare. They should go first. :)


10 posted on 03/28/2012 9:43:48 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: indianyogi

Good point. I guess theoretically, it could come to that you can only drink, smoke, own a weapon, walk down the street without a helmet, etc. if you can afford to go without insurance (since it will be illegal to cover you if you engage in those activities) and pay the fine. Like driving, medical services will become a “privledge of the state”.


11 posted on 03/28/2012 9:44:57 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: jakerobins
This Healthcare law is about Power...this will give GOV’T almost ABSOLUTE POWER! What doesn’t apply to people’s health? Air,Food,everything will be able to be under the thumb of the Gov’t. Imagine the Obama’s decide that Obesity is a health epidemic....would it be too hard to believe that thru Grocery “Extra points” cards they could tell you what to buy in the store? Or How many Big Mac’s you could eat.....KILL OBAMACARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You got it!

The tentacles of Obamacare have the ability to bypass congress and control every aspect of our lives through the regulatory powers of the alphabet soup of agencies that serve as extensions to the executive branch.

Kill Obamacare!

12 posted on 03/28/2012 9:49:18 AM PDT by khelus
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To: indianyogi
Even if the individual mandate gets struck down and if the AHCA law in part survives the Supreme Court the government will retain the latitude to regulate what it deems as potentially harmful anything that may lead to a medical expense. Under that scenario it is likely the gov will out law on a national scale any citizen possession of gun powder, thus viable bullets and shot shells would be prohibited. Obviously the obozo, the dems and the RINO’s won't divulge their sinister plan until after the obozo care becomes a fixed in place law. This congress, the obozo and the previous administration have already passed laws severely diminishing our constitutional rights and liberties as a nation and making it a crime to possess gun powder will be just the beginning of more restriction to come.
13 posted on 03/28/2012 9:55:29 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: indianyogi
I'm more worried about the EPA going after lead bullets due to it 'harming the environment.'

Guns themselves won't be an issue unless we lose one or two justices on SCOTUS. Then we're in deep sh!t.

14 posted on 03/28/2012 9:58:21 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: indianyogi

We’re screwed, and Yes.


15 posted on 03/28/2012 9:58:29 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: indianyogi

In the name of ‘health care’ they can force us to give up anything. Or force us to buy anything. Want some useless ‘alternative’ energy? If you do or not, you WILL buy it... The thugs who support them in the MSM will provide cover for fellow elites :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


16 posted on 03/28/2012 10:20:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: indianyogi
I have complied with about as many of their random edicts that I plan to.

Anything additional will be ignored.

17 posted on 03/28/2012 10:34:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: indianyogi

You betcha!

More control over defenseless peons.


18 posted on 03/28/2012 10:50:36 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: DTogo

I think it likely.


19 posted on 03/28/2012 10:54:12 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Psalm 73

20 posted on 03/28/2012 10:54:28 AM PDT by Daffynition (On Andrew Breitbart: In his honor, I'll fight harder...He'll be back and he'll be millions.)
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To: indianyogi

I’m more concerned the tyrants will go afvter ammo before guns.

BLOAT


21 posted on 03/28/2012 10:57:46 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: indianyogi

I’m more concerned the tyrants will go after ammo before guns.

BLOAT


22 posted on 03/28/2012 10:58:05 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Daffynition

Save the wear and tear on your fingers...

http://www.maglula.com/

These things are awesome.


23 posted on 03/28/2012 11:14:36 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: indianyogi

If that comes to be, I’ll not say a word.

After all, like many others here at FR, all my firearms were lost in a boating accident years ago.

:o)


24 posted on 03/28/2012 11:18:53 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Dead Corpse

I got one of those.

But I use it to crack open pistasios (if anyone asks).


25 posted on 03/28/2012 11:22:20 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: indianyogi

Good point.

Meanwhile, if we stopped forcing hospitals to treat people who can’t pay, we wouldn’t need to fix our healthcare system.

It’s like forcing cab drivers to take passengers who cannot pay. The result would be higher and higher cab fares, until nobody could pay and Obama would have to make everyone have cab fare insurance.


26 posted on 03/28/2012 11:26:46 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Tenacious 1

My Leatherman works great on recalcitrant pistachios.


27 posted on 03/28/2012 11:27:35 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Daffynition

Way cool....I use a LULA on mine...takes a while to load dozens of mags.... Seen that new 60 rounder mag for the AR?


28 posted on 03/28/2012 11:31:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: indianyogi; DuncanWaring; Psalm 73; MrB; goodnesswins; mmichaels1970; DTogo; Old Teufel Hunden; ...

The enemy has more than one front in their war against us:

Forcing doctors to ask kids about guns
http://www.wnd.com/2001/05/9051/

More nosy doctors who don’t like guns
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/08/more-nosy-doctors-who-dont-like-guns/

Doctors, groups clash over asking patients about firearms
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-05-13-nra-doctors-guns_n.htm

Kids and Guns: Why Doctors Have a Right to Know
http://ideas.time.com/2011/09/19/kids-and-guns-why-doctors-have-a-right-to-know/


29 posted on 03/28/2012 11:32:21 AM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: indianyogi

60,000,000-80,000,000+ gun owners/hunters say no ‘effing way.


30 posted on 03/28/2012 11:38:01 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: mmichaels1970

That’s what I’m thinkin’. Reinstatement of the Militia Act Of 1792 would have zero judicial problems.


31 posted on 03/28/2012 11:44:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: donna

I’ve told my kids that if anyone, including a doctor, asks about guns in the house, tell them “I don’t know” or “none of your business”.

I did the same when asked about wearing a seatbelt - “what does that have to do with my cough?”


32 posted on 03/28/2012 11:54:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Dead Corpse
Excellent post!

Found them for sale HERE too!

33 posted on 03/28/2012 12:10:56 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: indianyogi
There will be at the very least a surcharge for every gun one owns. And since ammo and reloading components are not without their risks, these also will incur an additional charge.

Obamacare will be paid for by gunowners.

34 posted on 03/28/2012 1:02:07 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: MrB

Good for you. And don’t talk to the school nurse either!


35 posted on 03/28/2012 1:12:07 PM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: donna

Why would I not want them to talk to their mom?
(homeschooler)


36 posted on 03/28/2012 1:13:26 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I’ll bet you’re even one of those rightwingers who provides meals for your own children!


37 posted on 03/28/2012 1:21:32 PM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: MrB
There is nothing they cannot compel or prohibit you from doing because there is nothing that you do that won’t have “a substantial effect on the cost of healthcare”.

The great Mark Steyn put it very well: ...under any government system that interjects a bureaucracy between you and your health, the elderly and not so elderly get denied treatment. And there's nothing you can do about it because, ultimately, government health represents the nationalization of your body.

Unplugging Grandma Isn't The Problem

38 posted on 03/28/2012 1:27:41 PM PDT by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Thanks! Solves my Christmas shopping for my pistol coach who just had hand surgery! Neato!


39 posted on 03/28/2012 1:58:17 PM PDT by Daffynition (On Andrew Breitbart: In his honor, I'll fight harder...He'll be back and he'll be millions.)
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To: Daffynition

You are welcome. I’m not affiliated with that company in any way, but I have an AR mag loader and another one for pistol. Works great on my 10mm’s double stacked mags with heavier Wolff springs.


40 posted on 03/28/2012 2:03:18 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Daffynition

I nominate for best picture(s) of the week. :-)

More importantly, practice makes purrrfect (perfect.)

Hey, I’m a cat guy.;-)


41 posted on 03/28/2012 2:10:53 PM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: Stanwood_Dave
Why thanks! I just found this funny image while surfin'.....you might like it.....


42 posted on 03/28/2012 2:19:26 PM PDT by Daffynition (On Andrew Breitbart: In his honor, I'll fight harder...He'll be back and he'll be millions.)
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To: mosaicwolf

I have a furnace coming in the mail to cast bullets. Now is as good a time as any to learn to cast bullets and reload.


43 posted on 04/21/2012 6:54:48 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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