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Ancient Foot Suggests How Man Gave Up Treehouses
LiveScience ^ | Wednesday, March 28, 2012 | Charles Choi

Posted on 03/31/2012 11:33:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Ancient foot bones from a recently discovered pre-human species, which had opposable big toes like a gorilla's, could shed light on how the ancestors of humanity came to walk upright, researchers say.

Humans dominate the planet partly because walking upright frees their hands for tool use. Among the earliest known relatives of humanity to walk upright was Australopithecus afarensis, the species including the famed "Lucy." This hominin is a leading candidate for direct ancestor of the human lineage, living about 2.9 million to 3.8 million years ago in East Africa.

Although Lucy and her kin were bipedal, there is debate about how much they depended on life in trees. Now scientists also have fossils of a hitherto unknown species of hominin that lived about the same time and place as Australopithecus afarensis...

The 3.4-million-year-old fossils were discovered in 2009 in a part of Ethiopia known as Burtele. Nowadays this area is hot and dry, with temperatures skyrocketing up to 110 degrees Fahrenheit (43 degrees Celsius). But "nearby fossils of fish, crocodiles and turtles and physical and chemical characteristics of sediments show the environment was a mosaic of river and delta channels adjacent to an open woodland of trees and bushes," said fellow Case Western researcher Beverly Saylor.

Scientists have long argued that Australopithecus afarensis was the only pre-human species between 3 million and 4 million years ago. These new fossils of an unknown hominin species are the first incontrovertible evidence that at least two pre-human species lived at the same time and place around 3.4 million years ago.

The fossils include eight bones from the front half of a right foot. Such hominin fossils are rare, since they are fragile and subject to decay or carnivores.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
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Researcher Stephanie Melillo holds the fourth metatarsal of the Burtele partial foot right after its discovery. The team found eight bones from the front half of a right foot. Such hominin fossils are rare, since they are fragile and are often destroyed in the face of carnivores and decay. ][CREDIT: The Cleveland Museum of Natural History. Photo courtesy: Yohannes Haile-Selassie]

Ancient Foot Suggests How Man Gave Up Treehouses

1 posted on 03/31/2012 11:33:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

hitherto unknown species = “Send Grant Money !!”


2 posted on 03/31/2012 11:35:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SunkenCiv
Or it could be from a chicken.


3 posted on 03/31/2012 11:37:38 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
The 3.4-million-year-old fossils were discovered in 2009...
That means they're 3,400,003 years old now.


4 posted on 03/31/2012 11:38:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

I only gave up treehouses because there aren’t any trees on my property strong enough to support them. Rope ladder maintenance is another consideration . . .


5 posted on 03/31/2012 11:42:38 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: humblegunner; Olog-hai

;’D


6 posted on 03/31/2012 11:45:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

What I’d like to know is how many evolutionary events define the transition from this “pre-human species” to the human species.

And what were the specifics of the genetic mutations forming these evolutionary events?


7 posted on 03/31/2012 11:47:49 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, R. Zacharias, Erwin Lutzer, and others.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Some people in Santa Cruz are still living in tree houses.


8 posted on 03/31/2012 11:53:28 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SunkenCiv

oh that makes it so much clearer


9 posted on 03/31/2012 12:10:46 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: humblegunner

Not that really does make it clearer....they came out of ‘tree houses’ for the Colonel’s finest. :)


10 posted on 03/31/2012 12:11:56 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: SunkenCiv

Looks like a bone from modern day man both in size and structure. I would doubt that this bone was part of a foot with opposable great toes.


11 posted on 03/31/2012 12:25:43 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: reasonisfaith

It’s all speculation. A clear fossil record exists for everything but the evolution of man as described by those who believe we descended from apes.

It’s like global warming. The evidence does not support it but they latch onto any event they can or distort the facts to fit their belief.


12 posted on 03/31/2012 12:53:30 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: Sacajaweau

“send grant money”

So correct. It’s about grant money and supports the attack on religion and promotion of socialism.


13 posted on 03/31/2012 1:16:41 PM PDT by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh hell, I threw those chicken bones down a few months back when I was hiking through Ethiopia. A fellow has to eat something.


14 posted on 03/31/2012 1:19:51 PM PDT by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: beethovenfan
"Some people in Santa Cruz are still living in tree houses. "

Be nice.

I used to spend some pleasurable time here in the mid-late 60's.

15 posted on 03/31/2012 1:55:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: beethovenfan

Based on some of the other replies, apparently those tree houses have broadband.


16 posted on 03/31/2012 1:56:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
Actually, maybe they found the foot-bones of elves. My bad . . .


17 posted on 03/31/2012 4:01:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SunkenCiv

Once upon a time, long, long ago..........


18 posted on 03/31/2012 5:24:57 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Interested in hominid feet?? You might want to take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_anatomy

That's one of Wiki's pages dealing with Neanderthal anatomy. It shows a mockup of a complete Neanderthal skeleton with normal looking feet which are probably just concocted from minimal real evidence as usual, and then an image of a Neanderthal footprint which is presumably real and a caption describing it as from the Natural History Museum in Prague:

THAT is pretty obviously an ape's footprint. You could view that image as an artifact of a human-like Neanderthal having once had a pet gorilla; I view it as an artifact of people looking at something the wrong way.

19 posted on 03/31/2012 6:06:28 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: SunkenCiv
Humans dominate the planet partly because walking upright frees their hands for tool use

I guess I had it wrong all along, believing that, it's the brainpower of humans that distinguishes us from the apes and "our ancestors", but, NO!!!, it's the "walking upright" that has made humans the dominant species on the planet.

I guess that, we'd still be swinging from tree to tree if we still had the same hand and body structure of the apes, and intelligence wouldn't even enter into the picture?
20 posted on 03/31/2012 6:53:47 PM PDT by adorno
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To: varmintman

No, that’s pretty obviously *not* an ape footprint. Apes are generally arborial, having longer toes for gripping, and a thumblike opposable big toe, leaving a footprint more like a handprint. That isn’t the case with humans like the Neanderthals.


21 posted on 03/31/2012 8:19:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: adorno

You have it wrong now, why would anything have changed?
partly because walking upright frees their hands for tool use

22 posted on 03/31/2012 8:26:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Neanderthal footprint is more like the orang’s than that of a chimpanzee. It sure as hell is not similar to one of ours.


23 posted on 03/31/2012 8:47:29 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

No, as a matter of fact, it isn't. You make yourself look more foolish each time you post.
Orangutan Articulated Adult Foot

Orangutan Articulated Adult Foot

24 posted on 03/31/2012 9:30:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
I was seeing images of some other variety of orang last night but, for that matter, a gorilla's footprints are certainly closer to the Neanderthals than ours are:


25 posted on 04/01/2012 4:33:59 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: All
Here's the problem:


Caption reads "From the American Museum of Natural History">

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_anatomy

You can't have it both ways. It appears that some of these clowns at least comprehend that if they were to show a Neanderthal skeleton with feet which correspond to actual footprints, the whole world would immediate grasp the fact that the Neanderthal was an ape, that ALL hominids were (bipedal) apes, and that we are not descended from or in any way related to any of them. I.e. it would blow their stupid little kum-bay-ah/evolutionist religion apart.

26 posted on 04/01/2012 4:46:23 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: SunkenCiv
Ancient Foot Suggests How Man Gave Up Treehouses

They probably got tired of falling out of bed in the morning......

27 posted on 04/01/2012 4:49:37 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: varmintman

The only other alleged variety is the Orang-Pendek, a crypto-animal, and those attributed to it look like a gorilla’s. Neither one looks like Neandertal.

Gorilla male foot:
http://www.worldofstock.com/stock-photos/closeup-of-gorilla-foot/NAN2887


28 posted on 04/01/2012 7:25:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: SunkenCiv
gorilla male foot

Still looks more like the Neanderthal footprint than ours do.

Scholars who studied Neanderthals early on claimed they had prehensile feet:

Our image of Neanderthals as "dim-witted brutes" originally came from Marcellin Boule, a French authority on fossils who reconstructed a near complete skeleton found in southwestern France, and claimed it had "prehensile feet, could not fully extend his legs, and thrust his head awkwardly forward because his spine prevented him from standing upright." In his scientific paper he described the "brutish appearance of this muscular and clumsy body."

That accords quite well with the real footprints but not, as I note, with reconstructions meant for idiot yuppies such as you see in the Natural History Museum, which as the image clearly shows, have human-like feet and, again, the problem appears to involve the pseudo-religion of Evolutionism.

Boule's claim of them not being able to completely extend their legs or stand totally upright has also been borne out and is accurate.

29 posted on 04/01/2012 8:09:28 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman
Vendramini notes ("Them and Us"):

And to top it off, German researchers who re-examined two Neanderthal spines (from Kebara 2 and Shanidar 3) in 2008 reported that both individuals displayed kyphosis—they were hunchbacks. This was most unexpected and, what’s more, their hunched backs weren’t the result of injury, disease or old age. The authors, Jochen Weber and Carsten Matthias Pusch believe the condition was part of their natural anatomy."

The story we'd read previously was that the hunched posture which Neanderthal skeletons had indicated in the past were due to arthritis and old age; that theory seems to have been blown up, i.e. the hunched posture was best possible for an ape seeking a hands-free lifestyle.

30 posted on 04/01/2012 8:31:01 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: SunkenCiv

How do scientists assess the lowly ‘corn’ on the path of human evolution?

My experience has been that the development of ‘corns’ on hominids who began to walk upright should have created an evolutionary tendency to grow wings and eliminate walking altogether.


31 posted on 04/01/2012 9:37:42 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill

Well, maybe they’re proto-cillia and your descendants will be able to breeze along like a centipede in a couple hundred million years if they keep the faith and continue to select mates who also have proto-cillia.

Rest assured, all that awkward flopping around in a few million years is just a phase. Do not be deterred. Good things come to those who wait.

Y’all’ll be zooming around, up walls and over tough obstacles in no time, in the greater scheme of things.


32 posted on 04/01/2012 9:45:39 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: wildbill

;’)


33 posted on 04/01/2012 9:35:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: RegulatorCountry; SunkenCiv

Are you kidding? Can you imagine a millipede with millicorns?

The species would die out do to suicide, probably self-immolation into a volcano.


34 posted on 04/02/2012 9:24:07 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Facts are of no consequence to a zealot with an agenda!


35 posted on 04/02/2012 9:34:48 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: wildbill

Oh, now. That’s not a very positive outlook.

Just keep thinking of the advantages it confers. That’ll tide you over.


36 posted on 04/02/2012 1:05:26 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: allmendream

Thanks!


37 posted on 04/02/2012 4:05:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Gotta call em like I see em!

Great job countering agenda driven delusion with facts!


38 posted on 04/02/2012 4:14:30 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: wildbill

Maybe there was only one, in which case, a unicorn. But no one sees those without a drinking binge.


39 posted on 04/02/2012 5:30:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: allmendream

:’) Thanks again.


40 posted on 04/02/2012 5:46:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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