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Trayvon Martin Shooting - A Timeline (Vanity)
Vanity | 31 March 2012 | Vanity

Posted on 03/31/2012 12:58:40 PM PDT by PhatHead

(This previously pulled thread re-posted with JimRob's permission.)

I assembled this timeline and map of relevant locations based on publicly available information. My estimates of walking time are based on Google Maps measurements of the distance, and I tried to estimate on the long side. Please feel free to check all of my sources.[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

I think my methodology should be pretty obvious, so I will not bore you with those details. I did not include my source for the house where he was staying, even though it is publicly available information.

For events where there was a window of time where it could have occurred, my timeline only reflects one end of that window, but includes a note of explanation at the end. I take the girl's account at face value, and I tried not to insert any opinion at all into the timeline and map below. I will express a few deductions, conclusions and opinions in the comments below. My intent is only to focus people away from all the emotional issues and just look at these bare facts. The police, of course, have much more exact information at their disposal in the investigation.

19:09:34 Zimmerman calls Sanford Police non-emergency number
* Near clubhouse, Martin is a 3 or 4 minute walk from home
19:11:41 Zimmerman: "He's running"
19:12:00 Martin calls GF: "This dude is following me"a
19:12:02 Operator: "We don't need you to do that"
Martin: "Don't want to run. I'll walk fast."
Martin decides to run.
Martin: "I lost the guy"
19:13:09 Zimmerman: "I don't know where this kid is."
19:13:27 Officer Timothy Smith dispatched
19:13:41 Zimmerman's call with police ends
Martin: "I see him again."
Martin: "What are you following me for?"
Zimmerman:"What are you doing here?"
19:16:00 Martin's call with girlfriend endsb
19:16:25 Zimmerman is already yelling for helpc
19:17:10 Shot firedd
19:17:11 Officer Smith arrives at complex; is told about shot reports
19:18:10 Smith is outside back of building
Smith takes Zimmerman into custody
Officers perform CPR, then are joined by paramedics
19:30:00 Paramedic Brady pronounces Martin dead
* He is 200-250 feet from where Zimmerman parked truck during the call to police
* He is in nearly the same spot where Zimmerman lost sight of him on the call
* He is 300-350 feet from home

a) The article states that the call began at 19:12, but this is almost certainly rounded off, and it could have begun in a 30-40 second window around this time. Maybe even a wider window.
b) As above. ABC News confirms call lasted 4 minutes, but this is likely rounded, as is the start time.
c) This is figured by subtracting the 45 seconds of screaming heard on Police Call #3 before the gunshot is heard. Zimmerman is already screaming before the call begins, so this does not represent the start of the fight or the start of his screaming - only the latest possible time that his screaming was heard.
d) Officer Smith was informed on arrival of reports that a shot had been fired. Assuming almost instantaneous relay of this information from the time the shot was heard, this is the absolute latest time it could have been fired, but it was likely earlier.



TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; sanfordshooting; trayvon; trayvonmartin; trayvontimeline; zimmerman; zimmermantimeline
Since we've all be speculating about what may have happened the night of the shooting, I thought it would be useful if we could at least keep our guesses within the bounds of the known facts.

I did not include the location of Zimmerman's house for what I think should be obvious reasons, but I have seen speculation elsewhere that it is adjacent to the yard where the shooting took place. It is not.

1 posted on 03/31/2012 12:58:55 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Jim Robinson

Pinging you per my earlier note...


2 posted on 03/31/2012 1:00:03 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

Exemplary job!


3 posted on 03/31/2012 1:03:34 PM PDT by entropy12 (Every tax payer now owes $150,000 towards the national debt. We will follow Greece soon.)
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To: PhatHead
"Since we've all be speculating about what may have happened the night of the shooting,"

BS, Zimmerman gave a statement, it was corroborated by witnesses and physical evidence. The police released him. That is not speculation, that is fact.
4 posted on 03/31/2012 1:04:48 PM PDT by JoSixChip (santorum is Mr Rogers without a spine. Check his record, not his rhetoric.)
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To: PhatHead

probably there’s no access to this, but it would seem if the coroner or ME did an autopsy on trayvon martin’s body and found no bruises it would be pretty strong evidence supporting zimmerman’s account of what happened.


5 posted on 03/31/2012 1:06:40 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (if it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any standards at all)
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To: PhatHead

Thanks PhatHead. Nice work.


6 posted on 03/31/2012 1:11:30 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: PhatHead

I haven’t looked at your timeline or Wikipedia’s yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Be interesting to see how they (don’t) match up.

I imagine if you check with 5 different “experts”, you’ll come up with 7 different versions.

*story evolving as we FReep. What new facts today reverse and contradict old facts from yesterday?*


7 posted on 03/31/2012 1:11:30 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: JoSixChip
BS, Zimmerman gave a statement, it was corroborated by witnesses and physical evidence. The police released him. That is not speculation, that is fact.

Yes, it is a fact that he was not charged, and it is a fact that police found no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's account. The speculation to which I am referring is the many stories about exactly how they came to be face to face, and who initiated the fight.

For example, a lot of commentary and news articles repeat that Zimmerman "chased" Martin, which I do not believe fits the known facts as I have summarized them above.

8 posted on 03/31/2012 1:16:23 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead
"Yes, it is a fact that he was not charged, and it is a fact that police found no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's account."

But they did find evidence to support Zimmerman's account of the incident. Namely his broken nose and cuts and bruises on his head.
9 posted on 03/31/2012 1:23:28 PM PDT by JoSixChip (santorum is Mr Rogers without a spine. Check his record, not his rhetoric.)
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To: PhatHead; cynwoody

Excellent work. You may also be interested that Cynwoody linked another thoughtful reconstruction from this website:

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back

on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2866388/posts?page=59#59


10 posted on 03/31/2012 1:35:41 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: PhatHead

Outstanding work.
To the contrary, though, I think one could just as easily conclude from the map and facts you have provided that Zimmerman not only followed Martin but also “chased” him (”Martin decides to run”) until losing sight of him.
Martin, on the sidewalk, rounded the apartments and started heading south towards his home. Zimmerman spots him again. It appears to me that Martin then stopped and confronted Zimmerman. And that’s when the SHTF.
But whether Martin walked up to Zimmerman, or the other way around—or if it was a `mutual combat’—I suppose there’s the nub of the matter. The fact remains, however, that Zimmerman had the gun.


11 posted on 03/31/2012 1:37:19 PM PDT by tumblindice (our new, happy lives)
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To: PhatHead

Good work. I’d love to know the location of the store T. M. had purchased his drink and sweets. Is it close?


12 posted on 03/31/2012 1:37:19 PM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: JoSixChip

Those facts don’t support, or contradict, Zimmerman’s account that Martin attacked him. The fact that Zimmerman had injuries tells us fhat there was a physical altercation; it tells us nothing about who started the fight.


13 posted on 03/31/2012 1:41:05 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: JoSixChip
But they did find evidence to support Zimmerman's account of the incident. Namely his broken nose and cuts and bruises on his head.

I don't want to belabor this point, but there is nothing except Zimmerman's word about how the fight started. The police have found nothing that contradicts his account, but that is not the same thing as supporting it.

I do think that much of the speculation on how the confrontation started is difficult to square with the known facts.

14 posted on 03/31/2012 1:41:27 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

More relevant facts.

NBA All-Star tipoff was 7:30 Eastern. Martin was already pronuonced as dead before the game tipped off.

It is .9 miles from the apartment that Trayvon was staying at to the 7-Eleven on Rinehart Rd.


15 posted on 03/31/2012 1:42:13 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: PhatHead
"The police have found nothing that contradicts his account, but that is not the same thing as supporting it."

Right, The fact that Martin had no marks on him except a bullet hole in the chest and Zimmerman had a broken nose and cuts and bruises on his head is not supporting evedence?
16 posted on 03/31/2012 1:47:35 PM PDT by JoSixChip (santorum is Mr Rogers without a spine. Check his record, not his rhetoric.)
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To: Bryan24

Yes, I was trying to focus more narrowly here on the known timeline. I’ve never been able to track down the actual source of the story that he was going to 7-11. His dad was not at home when Trayvon left the house, and the story was out there before the girlfriend came forward. There was one report that the dad’s girlfriend had a 13-year-old who was home, but I am skeptical of that account for several reasons - not least of which being that I suspect the dad would have been a little more concerned that Trayvon was not home if the younger boy had been waiting all night for him to come back while emergency vehicles swarmed the neighborhood.

Obviously, the “All-Star Game halftime” embellishment that popped up early on was fiction.


17 posted on 03/31/2012 1:51:34 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: MSSC6644

0.9 miles to the west on Rinehart


18 posted on 03/31/2012 1:52:58 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: MSSC6644

0.9 miles to the west on Rinehart


19 posted on 03/31/2012 1:53:11 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: PhatHead

I read a REALLY good synopsis on a website that caters to African-Americans. Actually a very good account. They said that Trayvon and Ms Green’s son were home while the Mr MArtin and Ms Green went to supper. That article also alluded to a nephew of hers that was 21 years old who had hit it off good with Trayvon. In that article, that was the reason why the dad was not worried that Trayvon was not home that evening when they got back.

The 7-Eleven story had to come from somewhere. If there was a 13 year old at the condo, his testiminy will be crucial. I wonder if the police have gone to the 7-Eleven and looked for video footage to nail-down a timeline?


20 posted on 03/31/2012 2:01:22 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24; MSSC6644

You can click through the map above and see it on Google Maps with the nearest 7-Eleven marked. We don’t actually know what store he may have gone to, or necessarily whether he went to any store at all. The police may know that.


21 posted on 03/31/2012 2:04:46 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Bryan24

The dad’s account was that Trayvon had been spending time with his (the elder Martin’s) nephew, who was twenty. The earliest source I could find regarding the 13-year-old was the account of the Martin lawyer, Benjamin Crump, who once said that the candy Martin had gone out to purchase was for 13-year-old Chad. Crump also alternately referred to Chad as Martin’s own brother, which he was not (Martin had no younger brother of his own.)

Again, the only reason I am skeptical of this version is that I can’t quite imagine that a kid sat waiting for his candy all evening long as emergency vehicles swarmed the neighborhood, and when dad got home, that would never come up. You know?


22 posted on 03/31/2012 2:11:21 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

Where is the convenience store in relation to this?


23 posted on 03/31/2012 2:26:21 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: PhatHead

Home? Did Mr. Martin live there? I thought he was visiting his girlfriend who lives there.


24 posted on 03/31/2012 2:29:19 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

I’m just using “home” as a shorthand. The Martins were staying as guests with Brandy Green, the fiance of Tracy Martin (Trayvon’s father.)


25 posted on 03/31/2012 2:45:23 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Jaded
Where is the convenience store in relation to this?

We don't know what convenience store he went to. If you click through the map at the top of the thread, the nearest 7-Eleven is marked on it. It is about a 20 minute walk from the home where Martin was staying.

26 posted on 03/31/2012 2:47:24 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

Thanks.


27 posted on 03/31/2012 2:51:57 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If that proves to be real, the game better be damn well over!
29 posted on 03/31/2012 3:56:29 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: PhatHead
it'd be nice to know where the store is in relation to where he was first seen...
30 posted on 03/31/2012 4:20:52 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Bryan24

I read a news story that the police do not believe Trayvon paid for the Skittles or the Iced Tea. I assume that if that is true that they would say this because they may have viewed the store video and perhaps watched him walk out without paying.


31 posted on 03/31/2012 4:22:28 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: Chode

Click through on the map above. The nearest 7-Eleven is marked. We don’t know what store he went to, but that’s the closest one.


32 posted on 03/31/2012 4:33:37 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead
thx
33 posted on 03/31/2012 4:36:05 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: PhatHead

There is just so much weird about this whole thing. TM actually went to the 7-11 in the rain for as brother Al said “IT and skillets”? The whole media hysteria thing always makes me think there is something big missing. Obviously it’s the truth that’s missing.


34 posted on 03/31/2012 5:03:49 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, that’s a Facebook screen grab, not Twitter, and it looks pretty fake to me.


35 posted on 03/31/2012 5:07:38 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: BykrBayb

My concerns are for all children of which Trayvon was one. If you are concerned about what happened to Trayvon Martin, you may be labelled a race baiter or a troll.


36 posted on 04/01/2012 9:42:14 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: Jaded

Skittles not skillets which would have armed Trayvon if he indeed had a skillet as you posted. I go to the gas station for Skittles myself cuz gas stations are closer than grocery stores. I am a conservative, white person who lives in a food desert. Gas stations have delis and are expanding their grocery depts. Suspicious of Skittles? That’s a new one on me. Skittles are delish.


37 posted on 04/01/2012 9:45:28 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: BykrBayb
No new posts at Justice for Trayvon. Their moderator is probably at church and it's a blessing that except for pimps Sharpton and Jackson, Floridians are overall conducting peaceful protests. Even blacks know Sharpton and Jackson are presstitutes. I've learned a lot from my black neighbors and vice versa. We grew up differently but living as neighbors, we have the same values and hopes and dreams for our loved ones.

Common ground is a beautiful thing. We've had cop and DA trouble before in Florida.

Floridians are not race baiters or racists but someone's sure trying to make us look like haters.

38 posted on 04/01/2012 9:51:02 AM PDT by floriduh voter (Judge Jeanne Pirot faults Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin. She a troll too?)
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To: floriduh voter

Al Sharpton called it “skillets” repeatedly in a broadcast.


39 posted on 04/01/2012 11:19:48 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: chuckee

I just read today that the first mention of Skittles and Tea came from the lawyer, some days or time after the fact.


40 posted on 04/01/2012 2:51:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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