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Sweeps, nomads, quacks and crawlers: (shortened - photos from 1870s London)
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 31/03/12 | Daily Mail

Posted on 04/01/2012 4:55:44 AM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000

In the frantic pace of modern life, it is often easy to forget what life was once like for those who built the world we now live in.

These fascinating black and white pictures taken by photographer John Thompson show the reality of existence in the 1800s when photography was in its infancy.


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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Business/Economy; History
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Lot's of great photos (and contemporary commentary) of 1870's London at the site.
1 posted on 04/01/2012 4:55:53 AM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
These are contemporary with Mayhew's great book, London Labor and the London Poor, and I'm almost certain they illustrated one edition, because I've seen all of these before.

A macabre sidelight to the picture of the Roma in their caravan - the woman on the left was murdered a few weeks later.

2 posted on 04/01/2012 5:06:02 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I love the little morality tales that go with each one!


3 posted on 04/01/2012 5:25:19 AM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

The guy in the pic looks like a young Teddy Kennedy.


4 posted on 04/01/2012 5:27:54 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: PhilosopherStone1000; SWAMPSNIPER

photography ping


5 posted on 04/01/2012 5:28:55 AM PDT by randita
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
I think the writer was trying to reassure his readers that these where what used to be called "the deserving poor" - people who had fallen on hard times through illness or circumstance, not layabouts or grifters.

It made a big difference then. Better for everyone if it still did.

6 posted on 04/01/2012 5:31:13 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: traderrob6

He couldn’t be any relation - the sweep was a noted temperance advocate.


7 posted on 04/01/2012 5:44:58 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Curious as to why the Street Doctor walks with what appear to be three inch lift soles on his shoes.


8 posted on 04/01/2012 5:58:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Seeing all those carts/wagons reminded me of something from my childhood. In 1950’s Lyons, Illinois there was a guy who pulled his cart around town sharpening knives, scissors, etc., on a foot operated grindstone.


9 posted on 04/01/2012 6:05:30 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Only one foot, I think. I figured it was due to polio.


10 posted on 04/01/2012 6:09:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Probably right.


11 posted on 04/01/2012 6:19:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Curious as to why the Street Doctor walks with what appear to be three inch lift soles on his shoes.

To keep all the horse crap from staining his trousers?
12 posted on 04/01/2012 6:22:21 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
I am addicted to the Daily Mail. Love it.

Anyhow, the comments by the Brits are maddening. I find them to be one of the most vile people the world over.

13 posted on 04/01/2012 6:27:00 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: traderrob6
The guy in the pic looks like a young Teddy Kennedy.

If you read the article, he's a newly reformed alcohlic and a temperance advocate.

14 posted on 04/01/2012 6:44:11 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("Jihad" is Arabic for "Helter-Skelter", "bin Laden" is Arabic for "Manson".)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Was he British or Indian? At the time, even now, many Europeans loved exotic medicine...


15 posted on 04/01/2012 8:02:09 AM PDT by paudio (no tagline for now...)
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To: paudio
Someone with better knowledge of the UK might answer.
I think this era was before the wide-scale Indian-Paki migration to Britain.
16 posted on 04/01/2012 8:17:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Rough living back...the horses looked malnourshed

The children working on the street...bet the smell

of the city would knock a person of today backwards


17 posted on 04/01/2012 8:39:24 AM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Correct,widescale Paki immigration got into full swing in the early 60’s and continued thus for 20 years..


18 posted on 04/01/2012 10:18:26 AM PDT by pricilla (one should always try to be smarter than the equipment one is operating - Amajato)
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To: riri
Anyhow, the comments by the Brits are maddening. I find them to be one of the most vile people the world over.

What a curious comment,you really ought to have yourself evaluated...
19 posted on 04/01/2012 10:21:19 AM PDT by pricilla (one should always try to be smarter than the equipment one is operating - Amajato)
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To: Harold Shea
Rough living back...the horses looked malnourshed
The children working on the street...bet the smell
of the city would knock a person of today backwards

Walter A. Wyckoff walked/worked his way across America in 1891-93 as a Social Experiment to see if an unskilled laborer could make it. (Unskilled wages then were 12 1/2 cents per hour for a 10-hour day.) He wrote three books that became best sellers in the 1900s - "The Workers - East" "-West", and "A Day With A Tramp".

His worst time was December-May in 1892 Chicago. He mentioned how the horse manure was ground into a pasty slime and how the women had to raise their skirts "to keep from being befouled" as the stuff was tracked on to the sidewalks. The place must have reeked in the summertime, but he never mentioned it in any of his travels. Must have been so commonplace he was used to it.

He did mention walking in some area that just had boards for a sidewalk and the slime would ooze up between the cracks as he walked along. He ran across two very young girls sifting through a slop barrel outside a saloon and crying with joy when they found a "rancid piece of meat". The "Good Old Days" - weren't - for many working class people.

Now, if one doesn't have a cell phone, tablet and a flat screen, they are "underprivileged".

20 posted on 04/01/2012 10:25:41 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Child labor was the big things back then.

Poverty was seen as the normal status of human beings. Anyone who wasn’t poor had worked at it.


21 posted on 04/01/2012 10:28:51 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; mickie
The wooden platform sole on his right leg is probably a special shoe made to help him walk.

As a youth in Germany in the late 1800's, my grandpa was kicked by a horse hitched to a parked bakery cart. They didn't know how to set broken bones in those days, at the very least the common folk had no access to knowledgeable doctors. So, whatever happened or didn't happen, grandpa ended up with one leg shorter than the other. For the rest of his life he limped severely and walked with a cane.

Today he would have received a prosthetic shoe.....more scientifically made than the clumsy, more primitive ones of over a hundred years ago.

Leni

22 posted on 04/01/2012 10:48:06 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
Genetics might also have had a role to play.
My Swedish great grandmother suffered hip failure (one leg became shorter than the other) and she walked with crutches in her 60s (in the 1950s/early 60s.) My great grandfather lost circulation in one leg and so at age 85, one leg was amputated. He lived to be 92.
My mother had hip problems in her 60s and received an artificial hip on one side and a new vein on the other leg at University of Iowa Hospitals. She lived to be 90.
23 posted on 04/01/2012 11:08:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Your post brought back a memory of my childhood that was completely forgotten....In Detroit we had a man pushing his grinding wheel and walking down the street yelling for anyone that wanted their knives or scissors shapened to bring them out....there were memories of horse drawn ice wagons, sheeny men, horse drawn milk wagons but the knife sharpener guy was forgotten until you brough it up...Circa: 1940’s....Oh yea and the fresh produce truck’s twice a week run....


24 posted on 04/01/2012 11:20:13 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Harold Shea
Those poor horses are not only malnourished - they're poorly conformed, over at the knee, sway-backed, ewe-necked, all the rest of it. They would look a little better if you fed them up a bit, but they would still be ugly.

Just about all the horses you see nowadays are the top end of the scale as far as conformation and build. That's because we don't use horses for general transport any more, so there is no need for cheap, ugly horses.

The people in these photos were at the bottom of the heap, so a cheap ugly horse was all they could afford. Those poor equines are the flesh-and-blood equivalent of the old smoking beater of a pickup truck with busted out windows, rusted-out fenders and a rope holding the hood closed.

Read Anna Sewell's Black Beauty. She was a reformer, so the story is a bit exaggerated and crowds every kind of mistreatment you could see on the streets of London into one horse's story -- but it's pretty accurate.

The other end of the heap:

King Edward VII with his racehorse, Persimmon, who won both the Derby and the St. Leger in 1896.

25 posted on 04/01/2012 12:34:47 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

While big influx of South Asian didn’t start until the 60s, European fixation to exotic Asia had been around for long, at least to the 19th century. Arts, knowledge, and medicine from the East were romanticized as ‘purer’ to the Western counterpart (needless to say, many Westerners still hold similar views). So, street medicine sold by Indian would look more authentic and potent.


26 posted on 04/01/2012 2:14:22 PM PDT by paudio (no tagline for now...)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Looks like a corrective shoe - maybe a club foot, or maybe the dude has some kind of sympathy scam going on...?


27 posted on 04/01/2012 3:19:09 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: pricilla

Yes, perhaps I should embrace the America hating, free enterprise hating British folks who frequent so many message boards and who I have encountered over the years.


28 posted on 04/01/2012 3:29:25 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Oatka

Thank you for the Wyckoff reference. I have since (reading it this morning) powered my way through both “East” and “West”!

Amazingly well written, insightful and full of real humanity without the slobbering, cowardly leftism that infects so much current “sociology”. I literally could not stop reading those books.

Thanks again for the cite!


29 posted on 04/01/2012 5:31:18 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
Amazingly well written, insightful and full of real humanity without the slobbering, cowardly leftism that infects so much current “sociology”. I literally could not stop reading those books.

I was similarly taken and admired the man so much that my wife and I retraced his travels in 2003. I took pictures of each town as it looks today and compared it to a period post card, along with some snippet from the book.

After a couple of Twilight Zone instances, I decided to set up a website in his honor. To start, click on his photo HERE.

30 posted on 04/01/2012 5:42:07 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: riri

You can embrace whomever you like.Most Britons don’t hate the USA and to use such language to describe a whole race of whom you obviously know very little,quite frankly shows you to be somewhat of an imbecile.


31 posted on 04/01/2012 5:49:39 PM PDT by pricilla (one should always try to be smarter than the equipment one is operating - Amajato)
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To: Oatka

LOL! That’s the first link that comes up when you google Wyckoff’s name! Congratulations! I’ll get to it when I have some more time for reading.


32 posted on 04/01/2012 6:21:04 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Oatka
Wow! Love the Lizanne Truex material - my mom was a professional dancer and at age 86 she still steps on the boards for an occasional cameo.

Really talented dancers getting very little credit from Hollywood (or Broadway for that matter) is SOP. Most are very unsung.

33 posted on 04/01/2012 6:57:23 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: PhilosopherStone1000; a fool in paradise

Photos from the 1870s? How’s that possible? That was before cellphones had cameras in them!


34 posted on 04/01/2012 6:59:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: pricilla

Hmm, the numerous socialism loving and defending Brits I have met in my travels, posting on places like the Daily Mail and the Local must be some sort of freak anomalies. I will get an evaluation pronto.


35 posted on 04/02/2012 4:57:42 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
I’ll get to it when I have some more time for reading.

Go with God, my son. :-)

I got pretty windy in the intros, but set up the two maps that covered his East/West books and you can home in to specific states/towns.

Ran across his books in 1966. When I read the bit where he was cold, hungry and homeless in a wintry Chicago, saw an old school chum and knew he'd find warmth and food, and toughed it out instead, I put the book down and thought "I'd like to know that guy", little realizing that he died more than 50 years before that.

When I set the site up, I went and bought the bound Scribners volumes (1897-1898) that had his articles. I got a kick when they had to explain to the readers that the stories were true and not fiction. I guess some back then couldn't believe some of the stuff he saw and went through.

36 posted on 04/02/2012 8:09:07 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

That’s funny. “Weary Willie” was Princeton ‘88. I’m Princeton ‘77. I live right next to the CSX main line.


37 posted on 04/02/2012 10:02:23 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: riri

If your travels continually bring you into contact with socialists and commies,then you are obviously moving in the wrong circles.There are about 65 Million in the UK and yes there are some America haters among them,but there are probably more socialist loving America haters right here in the US,ie the millions who gave us Obama.Leave the Brits alone,they’re doing the best they can with what they have.


38 posted on 04/02/2012 2:32:56 PM PDT by pricilla (one should always try to be smarter than the equipment one is operating - Amajato)
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To: Revolting cat!
Photos from the 1870s? How’s that possible? That was before cellphones had cameras in them!


39 posted on 04/02/2012 10:01:39 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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