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[Vanity] USEFUL opinions wanted: Bushmaster AR15 O.R.C. M4 (Optics Ready Carbine) 16"
Bass Pro Shop ^ | 4/2/2012 | blueflag

Posted on 04/02/2012 1:27:58 PM PDT by Blueflag

Bass Pro Shop advertising a Bushmaster AR15 O.R.C. M4 (Optics Ready Carbine) 16", 30-rd, collapsible stock.

Curious about any FReeper experience with this carbine.

Priced at $979.99

Out of stock at most of the usual places online, so I thought it might be a popular firearm.

What is the FReeper opinion of this?

This is a .223/5.56 NATO rifle. Not gonna debate .223 v .308 on this thread. That is a different purchase.

Please provide your USEFUL opinions.


TOPICS: Hobbies; Military/Veterans; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; carbines; defense; home
Priced at $979.99

Out of stock at most of the usual places online, so I thought it might be a popular firearm.

What is the FReeper opinion of this?

This is a .223/5.56 NATO rifle. Not gonna debate .223 v .308 on this thread. That is a different purchase.

Please provide your USEFUL opinions.

1 posted on 04/02/2012 1:28:07 PM PDT by Blueflag
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To: Blueflag

I like my AR-15 in .223 for varmints. It’s nice, reliable, and it also swaps out with a .50 upper that is an awful lot of fun!


2 posted on 04/02/2012 1:34:42 PM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Blueflag

I’m sure it will be fine. One AR is pretty much the same as another in that price range.

I have seen this exact model you’re wanting for close to $100 less than your price, however.


3 posted on 04/02/2012 1:35:26 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Blueflag

Buy one from Palmetto state armory. You’ll get a better rifland save $.


4 posted on 04/02/2012 1:39:27 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Blueflag

I know someone with a Bushmaster .223 and have shot it quite a bit. Nice rifle. We only used Remington ammo, and it never jammed, but I don’t know how it handles the cheap stuff. Buy a Lula mag loader and lots of extra magazines.


5 posted on 04/02/2012 1:40:32 PM PDT by laker_dad
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To: ebshumidors

Thanks. I’ll check it out.

When you say “better”, you mean better than Bushmaster or better than Bass Pro’s inventory of the same rifle?


6 posted on 04/02/2012 1:41:30 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

Just get it.


7 posted on 04/02/2012 1:41:56 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Blueflag

Not sure my opinion worth anything.

Still distraught after a terrible boating accident and a huge wave swept over us taking all my rifles and ammo to the bottom of the ocean.

Just so confused these days.


8 posted on 04/02/2012 1:44:16 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ebshumidors

Palmetto out of stock on ALL AR-15s except a $1200 barebones PSA.

;-)


9 posted on 04/02/2012 1:44:44 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Vendome

Very tempting.

Lots of online catalogs with “out of stock” right now.

Bird in the hand.

That 16” rifle with a decent red dot scope is a fine home defense unit.


10 posted on 04/02/2012 1:46:54 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Vendome

I’m so sorry for your loss. My wife withheld sex until I took all of my guns 3 miles out into Lake Michigan and threw them overboard. This is my rifle, this is my gun...


11 posted on 04/02/2012 1:58:51 PM PDT by laker_dad
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To: Blueflag

I bought one about 3 years ago and it shoots fine. Been running Remmington UMC through it as well as some XM193. No problems at all.

The price seems reasonable. I think that I was @ $899 when I bought it but it was in the same ballpark as what you’re looking at.


12 posted on 04/02/2012 2:04:11 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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To: Blueflag

I’m not sure if it is the same version or if you have Academy Sports near you, but they have the Bushmaster ORC at $900. I find with Academy that it pays to call up stores near you since stock varies by store. But if it is not in stock they can get it anyway from one of their other stores.

http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_479361_-1?N=39632024+4294954554


13 posted on 04/02/2012 2:22:24 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: laker_dad

No! Your proper response should have been, “God, I’m gonna miss that woman!!”


14 posted on 04/02/2012 2:27:28 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: laker_dad

So, how many did you add to the collection? :)


15 posted on 04/02/2012 2:34:26 PM PDT by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: Kirkwood

They have it listed as .233 (typo) but do not say that it will handle the 5.56 round.


16 posted on 04/02/2012 2:35:49 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Blueflag

They’re nice rifles. Like someone else mentioned, all pretty much the same.

I own a S&W M&P 15 223 (OR), and love it. Threw some Troy battle sights and an Eotech on it, and it shot so well, don’t really need to practice with it.

Handguns, on the other hand...


17 posted on 04/02/2012 2:37:40 PM PDT by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: Blueflag

This is not a USEFUL opinion. Tough noogies.


18 posted on 04/02/2012 2:40:15 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Blueflag

Love the rifle.

Check Windham Weaponry - very cool story and very high quality product. Might also save a few bucks.

Bushmaster got bought out 5 years ago. The founder got a 5 year non-compete and a promise to keep his boys at work in Windham, ME.

They moved the factory to NY in March. They must forgot about the non-compete being up, or figured the founder was 77, what was he going to do?

Well, he came out of retirement, re-opened his old (Bushmaster) factory, rehired his guys (the ones who made the brand), and they are selling AR-15s under the “Windham Weaponry” name.

Check it out.


19 posted on 04/02/2012 2:42:06 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Blueflag

Check out the Stag Model 3.


20 posted on 04/02/2012 2:45:10 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Blueflag
I'm not going to debate the ammo with you........but I can't in good conscience ever recommend a CAR-15 variant rifle.

I had several requiring remedial action (different mags). This is while under heavy fire in an urban environment.

So for your $1k you can

a. Buy two Ak-47s and 500 rounds

b. buy one Ak-47 and 3k rounds

c. buy one ak-47, 1k rounds, and tell the wife how much money you saved.

Any of those choices will leave you with a superior rifle that won't let you down when life depends on it.

And you can trick it out all the same (I have a collapsible M4 buttstock, SAW pistol grip, tri-rail dust cover, broomstick, and EOTECH on mine)...even with the mods including EOTECH....I still didn't spend $979

That's my two cents........you can take it or leave it if you want. I had a relatively new, and well maintained M16A4 rifle. When it counted I was sitting there pulling it apart as rounds zipped all around me. Raw terror isn't one of those things you can put into words very easy......

21 posted on 04/02/2012 3:13:20 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Repeat Offender; Blueflag
JAMS Should be, I had several JAMS requiring remedial action.
22 posted on 04/02/2012 3:15:16 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: ebshumidors

I picked up 5 lowers from Palmetto state armory when they ran them at $49.95 in December... Haven’t got one assembled yet.


23 posted on 04/02/2012 3:27:57 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Blueflag

What is the barrel twist? 1 in 9 or 16 is standard. Bushmaster is a good brand and can shoot .223 and 5.56 ammo. I have one and love it. But if you want home defense, get a shotgun or a Moisin-Nagant.


24 posted on 04/02/2012 3:29:49 PM PDT by shag377 (Illegitimis nil carborundum sunt!)
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To: Blueflag
With the Department of Homeland security buying 450 million rounds of 40 cal hollow point and 150 million rounds of .223 cal you know there is going to be a war.

.223 is a great caliber and a AR 15 rifle is so popular and there are so many options it is like “Barbie doll for men”. You can work on it yourself and replace the upper or lower receiver.There are so many parts available.

Buy it and practice, practice, practice.

25 posted on 04/02/2012 3:43:49 PM PDT by pterional
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To: Blueflag
I now own and operate (in addition to my training company) an old fashioned retail gun store... I have access to them all. Sadly, Bushmaster quality is not what it used to be. When they moved the production from Windham, Maine, to the Remington factory, quality dropped. I will not carry Bushmaster, but will carry the weapon that is still being built by the former Bushmaster employees - Windham Weaponry. Windham Weaponry is the "old" Bushmaster crew, still located in Windham, Maine. They are highly motivated to build a quality weapon for two reasons: 1) They can and they know they should; and 2) They would like to put their former employer, Bushmaster, out of business. Nothing like revenge to motivate someone.

I sell the Windham Weaponry WW-15 flattop, complete with carry handle out of my shop for what you are being asked to pay for the flattop Bushmaster alone.

Just my opinion, but I would go with Windham, or Rock River.

26 posted on 04/02/2012 3:44:50 PM PDT by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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To: Jim Noble

“Check Windham Weaponry”

My opinion, too.


27 posted on 04/02/2012 3:52:45 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: laker_dad

LOL
You poor guy.


28 posted on 04/02/2012 4:03:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: laker_dad

LOL
You poor guy.


29 posted on 04/02/2012 4:04:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Bought it. Got a great deal. On plane. More Thursday.

Happy AR day. :-)


30 posted on 04/02/2012 6:27:03 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

I don’t own a Bushmaster but I know quite a few who do. The rifles a picky on ammo. PSA builds quality rifles at less cost. Send them an email with what you have in mind. They build to spec. See what they quote in time and price before you buy. I never got a deal at Bass Pro.


31 posted on 04/02/2012 9:01:22 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: shag377
"But if you want home defense, get a [...] Moisin-Nagant."

Oh, honestly.

32 posted on 04/02/2012 9:04:02 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: ebshumidors

Oddly I got a deal at Bass Pro - 15% off ammo, holo scope, rifle, sling, case etc due to a promotion on their credit card and our great credt + $150 off on the list of the firearm when it rang up. They verfied the [unexpectedly lower] price with the manager, and I got a deal. Saved over $350 all together.

I had looked at the PSA comparable version, and cound not FIND one actually available for under $1100. Indeed it might be a better firearm, but for $450 less, I can buy a lot of ammmo, or count the holo scope as ‘free’ in comparison.

As far as ammo; a buddy of mine has this rifle. HE says its pickiness (to him) is tied to the brand of magazine, not the ammo. When he doesn’t fire his own reloads, he says he has fired hundreds and hundreds of Remington 55g .223 UMC without issue. I bought a bunch @ $9.50/box, less 15%.

SO, I have the beginnings of my “must have” firearms.
Sig P220 .45 ACP
two pump action .22 LR and one semi auto .22 LR
Remington 6 shot 12 gauge
And now the Bushmaster .223

Trained and proficient on all but the Bushmaster. Lots to learn. It’s a foreign animal compared to what I have owned/shot for years.

I’ll get some personal training from my son as RSO. He’ll be home for 30 days before he ships off the OCS in Quantico. He’ll straightn me out ;-)


33 posted on 04/03/2012 6:32:53 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Repeat Offender

I didn’t buy the AK, bought the .223 AR.

*DID* buy the Eotech. ;-) Amazing sight.

I need a rifle everyone in the familty can employ if needed.

Went back and forth mentally on .223 v .308. Finally went with interoperability (family memebrs) and picked .223.


34 posted on 04/03/2012 6:36:39 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: shag377

HAve the shotgun and the .45.

This AR is a sport shooting rifle and a medium range zombie repellent.


35 posted on 04/03/2012 6:37:53 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: tickedoffnow

I also have the S&W M&P AR-15 and a $500 EOtech on it. It’s a good AR. I will not shoot Wolf ammo because Delton’s AR 15 comes with a flyer stating their warranty is void if you shoot Wolf ammo in it.

Just my 2 cents ... your opinion may vary.


36 posted on 04/03/2012 6:52:36 AM PDT by airdalechief
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To: Blueflag

Sounds like you got a deal. Anyway, come to an Appleseed and we’ll make you a better shooter. See my tagline.


37 posted on 04/03/2012 11:28:36 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Blueflag
Some options and AR 15 for sale. Vince is a good guy and very knowledgeable if you want to contact him.
38 posted on 04/03/2012 1:16:25 PM PDT by willyd (your credibility deficit is screwing up my bs meter...)
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To: Repeat Offender

Depends on the AK version you buy -vs- the AR version. I have had an SAR-1 and SAR-2, both of which jammed with the inexpensive ammo, especially the SAR-2 it was a real problem, and my AR has never jammed -yet- even with the cheap stuff, but I avoid it unless I am desperate.

Not disagreeing with the cost equation though. I would recommend a nice InterArms Polish Tantal style AK in 5.45x39, with a folding stock, or if you are even slightly handy you can buy a chrome lined Saiga pretty cheap and convert it, just be sure you stay compliant with your US made parts count. Ammo for that can be had for $135 a can of 1080 rounds of Russian surplus 7n6. Thats about 13 cents a round. Add a decent laser for the home defense.

The AR is nicer, but you get what you pay for. The Russian stuff is good enough for home defense on a budget and a whole lot of plinking fun on the cheap.


39 posted on 04/03/2012 5:03:37 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Blueflag
I need a rifle everyone in the familty can employ if needed.

I will say that is a good choice, especially if there are others in the family that have experience with a limited variety of weapons. That is definitely an important factor to consider.

I agree about the EOTECH. I am very pleased with mine. The heads up display is a plus in urban scenarios (room-to-room).

I try not to come off as a know-it all, but I've had more "real world" situations than I care to remember. I try to pass off my experience for others to use for their own decision.

Truth be told, I have a ton of accesories for M4/M16 variant rifles and have contemplated buying one for the just in case, or plenty of extra ammo on the ground factor.....I just haven't been able to break the mental block.

. Anyhow, it sounds like you made a well thought out family conscious decision, which is all that truly matters.

40 posted on 04/03/2012 5:09:20 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Wildbill22
Depends on the AK version you buy -vs- the AR version

I whole-heartedly agree. My buddy has a Hungarian AMD-65 that he loves. I have a Romanian that has a few thousand rounds through it. I've fired nothing but Wolf through it and have never had a problem....including over 1k without a cleaning.

I also have a WASR-10 that I'm not entirely fond of. I didn't feel like dropping the $$$ for Norinco.

41 posted on 04/03/2012 5:18:43 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Wildbill22
Ammo for that can be had for $135 a can of 1080 rounds of Russian surplus 7n6.

Where are you getting that? Just curious.

42 posted on 04/03/2012 6:24:52 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Wildbill22; Repeat Offender
Depends on the AK version you buy...

Absolutely true. I've seen brand new factory (foreign manufactured for the US civilian market) AKM's & SKS's that had very serious problems, and there are a lot of AK kit builds out there as well. With the latter, you've got a mix of used mil-spec parts (of unpredictable vintage) and "compliance" parts (of unpredictable quality), all assembled by someone (of undetermined education/experience) you do not know. And mixing mil-spec and compliance parts (or even compliance parts from multiple manufacturers) can produce cascading tolerances that result in an unreliable and unsafe weapon - ask me how I know.

...or if you are even slightly handy you can buy a chrome lined Saiga pretty cheap and convert it, just be sure you stay compliant with your US made parts count.

Saiga conversions are an excellent way to go, if you can do the work yourself, or find a qualified gunsmith to do it for you. The combination of new Russian factory-assembled & -tested receiver/barrel/bolt carrier/bolt assembly provides a lot of confidence & predictability. And you can pick a caliber based on either the current cost of ammunition, or your current inventory, or both.

The AR is nicer, but you get what you pay for. The Russian stuff is good enough for home defense on a budget and a whole lot of plinking fun on the cheap.

Hard to argue with...

;>)

43 posted on 04/04/2012 2:11:12 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: MileHi

Russian 5.45x39 7n6 surplus can be had for around $139 for a can of 1080 from several sources, or a case of 2160 rounds for under $270 or so. Check Gunbroker.com


44 posted on 04/04/2012 7:50:35 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Wildbill22

Thanks. I looked around and found a couple for about that price. Pretty good deal.


45 posted on 04/05/2012 7:11:47 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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