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Palestinian 'Academic': Moses Was a Muslim
World Jewish Daily ^ | Monday, April 2, 2012

Posted on 04/02/2012 10:09:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway

In case you were wondering, Moses was a Muslim.

You didn't know? Just ask Dr. Omar Ja'ara, lecturer at Al-Najah University in Nablus. This is what he said during an interview on Palestinian television:

"We must make clear to the world that David in the Hebrew Bible is not connected to David in the Quran, Solomon in the Hebrew Bible is not connected to Solomon in the Quran, and neither is Saul or Joshua son of Nun [of the Bible]. We have a great leader, Saul, [in the Quran] who defeated the nation of giants and killed Goliath. This is a great Muslim victory.

The Muslims of the Children of Israel went out of Egypt under the leadership of Moses, and unfortunately, many researchers deny the Exodus of those oppressed people who were liberated by a great leader, like Moses the Muslim, the believing leader, the great Muslim, who was succeeded by Saul, the leader of these Muslims in liberating Palestine. This was the first Palestinian liberation through armed struggle to liberate Palestine from the nation of giants led by Goliath. This is our logic and this is our culture."

Using that logic, it seems there was never a Jewish people. And if there was never a Jewish people, there surely could never be a Jewish state or a Jewish temple.


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1 posted on 04/02/2012 10:09:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Yeah uh no.


2 posted on 04/02/2012 10:12:46 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

You know this is beyond crack addled thinking.

How could any of them be Muslim when they lived centuries or millennia before the pederast prophet?


3 posted on 04/02/2012 10:14:39 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: nickcarraway

Considering it was Mohammed who re-wrote the Judeo-Christian Bible to suit his ends, Mohammed was the first muslim. And muslims revere him as “the perfect man” (even though he had sex with a girl under 10 years old).


4 posted on 04/02/2012 10:16:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: nickcarraway
This is our logic and this is our culture.

Both based on blatant falsehoods and deceit.

5 posted on 04/02/2012 10:16:48 PM PDT by abishai
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To: abishai

Muslim - the first Mormans. (Oh I know, even the Muslims weren’t first at this kind of crap.)


6 posted on 04/02/2012 10:18:37 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Nice, please repeat.


7 posted on 04/02/2012 10:25:04 PM PDT by allmost
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To: a fool in paradise

You hit the fool part well.


8 posted on 04/02/2012 10:27:48 PM PDT by allmost
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To: nickcarraway

They claimed Jesus too.

Arabs are a semitic people just like the Jews.


9 posted on 04/02/2012 10:31:42 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: nickcarraway
Considering Moses Lived from 1391–1271 BC
and Muhammad was wasn't born until 570 AD
just how does he propose that?

Muhammad was born 1,871 years after Moses.
The Quran did not exist in book form at the time of Muhammad's death in 632 AD.

10 posted on 04/02/2012 10:37:14 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: allmost; a fool in paradise

Uhm, would you please be so kind as to inform us as to where his short factual statement is incorrect?

mohamhead married Aisha (the daughter of a “friend”, even though this violated one of the basic tenets of his new religion{not her age, mind you, but the closeness of his relationship with the father}) when she was 6 years old, and consummated the “marriage” when she was nine. This is in the hadiths, or whatever they call the “scholarly additions” to the koran.

That their book is cribbed and perverted gospel of another religion is common knowledge for those who have actually done more than listen to what the moon-worshippers and the press tell you.

Besides, I seem to remember something on the homepage about ad hominem insult and attack being frowned upon here.


11 posted on 04/02/2012 10:41:21 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Yes, Arabs are Semitic but don’t follow the teachings of Shem (son of Noah).


12 posted on 04/02/2012 10:45:46 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Don W

I am not arguing with you right now.


13 posted on 04/02/2012 10:46:17 PM PDT by allmost
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To: nickcarraway

Sounds as crazy as some Christians claiming that Rabbi Joshua (aka ‘Jesus’) and all those other Jews are really Christians!


14 posted on 04/02/2012 10:47:54 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

It is. It’s due to hundreds of years of inbreeding.


15 posted on 04/02/2012 10:48:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
They claimed Jesus too.

But only as another prophet, not as the Son of God. They mock the very concept of a Triune God.

16 posted on 04/02/2012 10:53:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: nickcarraway

“Moses Was a Muslim”

Sure, and I am the Empress of Romania...


17 posted on 04/02/2012 10:56:36 PM PDT by Never A Dull Moment
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To: SJackson

Ping!


18 posted on 04/02/2012 11:48:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: nickcarraway

He was a Moselem.


19 posted on 04/03/2012 12:03:28 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: nickcarraway

Ya, see? I always knew the Palis lived in a parallel universe.


20 posted on 04/03/2012 12:13:39 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well as the New Black Panthers, CBC and the NAACP)
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To: abishai

Yes, considering that mo lived 2000 years after Moses..


21 posted on 04/03/2012 1:13:12 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: nickcarraway
How can any one be so delusional?

They know not what they do.

22 posted on 04/03/2012 2:13:00 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: nickcarraway

“Using that logic, it seems there was never a Jewish people. And if there was never a Jewish people, there surely could never be a Jewish state or a Jewish temple.”

Or anyone for them to hate.


23 posted on 04/03/2012 4:04:08 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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24 posted on 04/03/2012 4:46:57 AM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: rawcatslyentist
How can any one be so delusional?

By being muslim. It is quranically correct to be delusiaonal.

25 posted on 04/03/2012 5:29:03 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"Sounds as crazy as some Christians claiming that Rabbi Joshua (aka ‘Jesus’) and all those other Jews are really Christians!"

Feeble comparison! What led you to it?

Clearly, Christians are those (even those born Jewish) who believe in and follow Jesus's teachings.

Clearly, calling Jesus and his early followers Christians is the same as calling Mohammad & his early followers Muslims or calling the early followers of the Hebrew bible Jews.

Clearly, to follow one can succeed or be contemporary, but can never proceed. So Moses ≠ Muslim; Moses ≠ Christian; Jesus ≠ Muslim.

Claiming "Jesus and all those other Jews" (his disciples and early followers) were Christian is no crazier than claiming, those British subjects who fought and - even those who died - to create an independent America, were Americans.

But then, you may have really known all this, but could not resist a cheap shot (even when groundless) against Christians.

26 posted on 04/03/2012 5:31:17 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Absolutely correct. It’s no crazier than claiming all those Old Testament Jews were really Christians.


27 posted on 04/03/2012 5:38:49 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: nickcarraway

The re-write of history in the Koran would be embarrassing if it weren’t so patently evil.

According to Muhammed, the Moses and other prophets of the Old Testament, and Jesus of the New Testament were Muslims.

This is because the Koran and Islam existed (exists) eternally in heaven, before time got underway. As to how Abraham, Moses, Jesus and others are portrayed as non-Muslims in the Bible, it is because the rabbis and the early church re-wrote the Koran.

Among the problems with this story is the discovery in relatively recent years of various documents preserved in the desert for centuries, dating from before Muhammed and discovered centuries after him. These documents are not the Koran but affirm the authenticity of the Bible.

Not only do they reveal that the Koran is a fabrication, they discredit the theories of various theologians in the west questioning the historical origins of the Bible.

No doubt, Muhammed was a mystic, meaning that he would go into a trance and dictate the words that, once written down, became the Koran. As to whether what he said can be taken as the word of God can be tested, according to western thinkers, depends on factors such as are they consistent with other things that we know to be true.

Falsehood reveals more than mere error, rather it reveals that the spirits informing the mystic are of the devil, not of God. This is the argument, after all, of Salmon Rushdie in Satanic Verses. That if Islam is not the revealed word of God then it is the revealed word of the devil.

Islam cannot coexist with freedom of inquiry, freedom of religion, or freedom of speech, because freedom will reveal its error and, thus, its demonic origin. Western religion, on the other hand, has no problem with freedom. Christians and our older brothers in the faith, the Jews, are happy to explore what is true, and are tolerant of differences of opinion.

But, potentially, this is a weakness. How do we allow the secular humanists and the cult religions to coexist among us and not become inundated by them?

And, what do we do when the Nazis, the Communists, the Islamacists, and whatever else comes down the pike, gain control of any place and, then, seek to oppress the natural liberty to which every human being is entitled? Can we be both tolerant of those who are peaceful among us and intolerant of those who use the coercive force of the state to deny the God-given rights of our fellow human beings?


28 posted on 04/03/2012 5:42:00 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: DaveTesla
The Quran did not exist in book form at the time of Muhammad's death in 632 AD.

We just finished "The Challenge of Islam" in our adult Bible class. Mu ham ed could not read or write, and had others write down his dreams. He would stay in a cave in a drug induced stupor and tell them what he dreamed after he woke up.

Even mu ham ed quotes the Bible and tells his followers that the Bible is correct. The first five chapters of the queeran are the part that many muslimes never read. Most cannot read the original and only know what the imams tell them.

29 posted on 04/03/2012 5:43:32 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: jjotto
"Absolutely correct."???????

Reread Jack Hydrazine's post and then see post 26 response.

30 posted on 04/03/2012 5:52:25 AM PDT by drpix
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To: nickcarraway
One of those old "Believe it or Not" lines was "Moses was not a Jew."

Technically, that's correct, since he was of the tribe of Levi and the Jews were originally the tribe of Judah. I don't think there are any passages in the Bible before the exile (587/6 BC) that call the Israelites in general "Jews." (Or the inhabitants of the kingdom of Judah, for that matter.)

St. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin but Luke has him calling himself a Jew (Acts 21 and 22) so by that time apparently the term included descendants of the other tribes of Israel.

Of course the person being quoted now is just spouting ignorance.

31 posted on 04/03/2012 6:47:34 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: drpix

I have heard from the mouths of Christians. I tried to tell them they were Jewish, but they wouldn’t listen.

It’s kind of like a few Christians that actually believe Jews 2,000 years ago were speaking in King James English. Or that they really drank grape juice instead of wine back in the old days! No joke!


32 posted on 04/03/2012 9:07:53 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SJackson

So was Jesus, btw. I wonder if John Smith of the Mormons was a Muslim, too.


33 posted on 04/03/2012 9:50:28 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: nickcarraway

This is standard Muslim belief. They believe that all the prophets were Muslims and that Jews are heretics who failed to follow Islam properly.


34 posted on 04/03/2012 12:06:23 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Verginius Rufus

Mordechai was of the tribe of Benjamin, and yet the Book of Esther introduces him as “a Jewish man” (Ish Yehudi). That usage is ancient, and would be equally valid vis a vis Moses, who was called a “naar Ivri” or “Hebrew child” in Exodus, before the word “Jew” was current coin of phrase. The name stuck. David and his descendants are from the Trive of Judah, and the tribes of Judah and Benjamin were the last to be exiled in Babylonian times, so the entire nation still in the land and later exiled together came to identify itself with the tribe of the royal family. At least three of the ten lost tribes now have a sizable presence in Israel (Bucharans from Naftali, Ethiopians from Dan and Northeastern Indians from Menashe), and all of them are regularly called Jews.


35 posted on 04/03/2012 3:17:00 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
But when was Esther written? At least it is after the Persian conquest of Babylon. If the king is Xerxes I, then it could be fifth century (if historical and not historical fiction), or if the king is Artaxerxes II it can't be before the fourth century. In either case it is after the end of the kingdom of Judah, when "Jew" has become a religious or ethnic label rather than a resident of Judah.

The Septuagint translation has Mardochaios "from the tribe of Benjamin, a Jewish man" (anthropos Ioudaios).

36 posted on 04/03/2012 3:51:57 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

The kingdom of Judah might have ended as an administrative governing entity over a defined geographical area, but the prestige of the tribe of Judah remains intact from that time to this. Furthermore, to this day there are known descendants of the royal family of David, who are accorded deference though not royal obeisance, especially if they are Torah scholars, and all practicing Jews look forward to the day when the Davidic Kindom will be restored along with the Temple, and pray three or more times daily for his coming.


37 posted on 04/03/2012 4:12:16 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Reading direct from the Septaugint here: “Kai anthropos en (eta, not epsilon) Ioudaios en (epsilon, not eta) Sousois tei polei, kai onoma autou Mardochaoios ho tou...ek phules Beniamin...”


38 posted on 04/03/2012 4:23:19 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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