Posted on 04/02/2012 10:09:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
In case you were wondering, Moses was a Muslim.
You didn't know? Just ask Dr. Omar Ja'ara, lecturer at Al-Najah University in Nablus. This is what he said during an interview on Palestinian television:
"We must make clear to the world that David in the Hebrew Bible is not connected to David in the Quran, Solomon in the Hebrew Bible is not connected to Solomon in the Quran, and neither is Saul or Joshua son of Nun [of the Bible]. We have a great leader, Saul, [in the Quran] who defeated the nation of giants and killed Goliath. This is a great Muslim victory.
The Muslims of the Children of Israel went out of Egypt under the leadership of Moses, and unfortunately, many researchers deny the Exodus of those oppressed people who were liberated by a great leader, like Moses the Muslim, the believing leader, the great Muslim, who was succeeded by Saul, the leader of these Muslims in liberating Palestine. This was the first Palestinian liberation through armed struggle to liberate Palestine from the nation of giants led by Goliath. This is our logic and this is our culture."
Using that logic, it seems there was never a Jewish people. And if there was never a Jewish people, there surely could never be a Jewish state or a Jewish temple.
Yes, considering that mo lived 2000 years after Moses..
They know not what they do.
“Using that logic, it seems there was never a Jewish people. And if there was never a Jewish people, there surely could never be a Jewish state or a Jewish temple.”
Or anyone for them to hate.
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By being muslim. It is quranically correct to be delusiaonal.
Feeble comparison! What led you to it?
Clearly, Christians are those (even those born Jewish) who believe in and follow Jesus's teachings.
Clearly, calling Jesus and his early followers Christians is the same as calling Mohammad & his early followers Muslims or calling the early followers of the Hebrew bible Jews.
Clearly, to follow one can succeed or be contemporary, but can never proceed. So Moses ≠ Muslim; Moses ≠ Christian; Jesus ≠ Muslim.
Claiming "Jesus and all those other Jews" (his disciples and early followers) were Christian is no crazier than claiming, those British subjects who fought and - even those who died - to create an independent America, were Americans.
But then, you may have really known all this, but could not resist a cheap shot (even when groundless) against Christians.
Absolutely correct. It’s no crazier than claiming all those Old Testament Jews were really Christians.
The re-write of history in the Koran would be embarrassing if it weren’t so patently evil.
According to Muhammed, the Moses and other prophets of the Old Testament, and Jesus of the New Testament were Muslims.
This is because the Koran and Islam existed (exists) eternally in heaven, before time got underway. As to how Abraham, Moses, Jesus and others are portrayed as non-Muslims in the Bible, it is because the rabbis and the early church re-wrote the Koran.
Among the problems with this story is the discovery in relatively recent years of various documents preserved in the desert for centuries, dating from before Muhammed and discovered centuries after him. These documents are not the Koran but affirm the authenticity of the Bible.
Not only do they reveal that the Koran is a fabrication, they discredit the theories of various theologians in the west questioning the historical origins of the Bible.
No doubt, Muhammed was a mystic, meaning that he would go into a trance and dictate the words that, once written down, became the Koran. As to whether what he said can be taken as the word of God can be tested, according to western thinkers, depends on factors such as are they consistent with other things that we know to be true.
Falsehood reveals more than mere error, rather it reveals that the spirits informing the mystic are of the devil, not of God. This is the argument, after all, of Salmon Rushdie in Satanic Verses. That if Islam is not the revealed word of God then it is the revealed word of the devil.
Islam cannot coexist with freedom of inquiry, freedom of religion, or freedom of speech, because freedom will reveal its error and, thus, its demonic origin. Western religion, on the other hand, has no problem with freedom. Christians and our older brothers in the faith, the Jews, are happy to explore what is true, and are tolerant of differences of opinion.
But, potentially, this is a weakness. How do we allow the secular humanists and the cult religions to coexist among us and not become inundated by them?
And, what do we do when the Nazis, the Communists, the Islamacists, and whatever else comes down the pike, gain control of any place and, then, seek to oppress the natural liberty to which every human being is entitled? Can we be both tolerant of those who are peaceful among us and intolerant of those who use the coercive force of the state to deny the God-given rights of our fellow human beings?
We just finished "The Challenge of Islam" in our adult Bible class. Mu ham ed could not read or write, and had others write down his dreams. He would stay in a cave in a drug induced stupor and tell them what he dreamed after he woke up.
Even mu ham ed quotes the Bible and tells his followers that the Bible is correct. The first five chapters of the queeran are the part that many muslimes never read. Most cannot read the original and only know what the imams tell them.
Reread Jack Hydrazine's post and then see post 26 response.
Technically, that's correct, since he was of the tribe of Levi and the Jews were originally the tribe of Judah. I don't think there are any passages in the Bible before the exile (587/6 BC) that call the Israelites in general "Jews." (Or the inhabitants of the kingdom of Judah, for that matter.)
St. Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin but Luke has him calling himself a Jew (Acts 21 and 22) so by that time apparently the term included descendants of the other tribes of Israel.
Of course the person being quoted now is just spouting ignorance.
I have heard from the mouths of Christians. I tried to tell them they were Jewish, but they wouldn’t listen.
It’s kind of like a few Christians that actually believe Jews 2,000 years ago were speaking in King James English. Or that they really drank grape juice instead of wine back in the old days! No joke!
So was Jesus, btw. I wonder if John Smith of the Mormons was a Muslim, too.
This is standard Muslim belief. They believe that all the prophets were Muslims and that Jews are heretics who failed to follow Islam properly.
Mordechai was of the tribe of Benjamin, and yet the Book of Esther introduces him as “a Jewish man” (Ish Yehudi). That usage is ancient, and would be equally valid vis a vis Moses, who was called a “naar Ivri” or “Hebrew child” in Exodus, before the word “Jew” was current coin of phrase. The name stuck. David and his descendants are from the Trive of Judah, and the tribes of Judah and Benjamin were the last to be exiled in Babylonian times, so the entire nation still in the land and later exiled together came to identify itself with the tribe of the royal family. At least three of the ten lost tribes now have a sizable presence in Israel (Bucharans from Naftali, Ethiopians from Dan and Northeastern Indians from Menashe), and all of them are regularly called Jews.
The Septuagint translation has Mardochaios "from the tribe of Benjamin, a Jewish man" (anthropos Ioudaios).
The kingdom of Judah might have ended as an administrative governing entity over a defined geographical area, but the prestige of the tribe of Judah remains intact from that time to this. Furthermore, to this day there are known descendants of the royal family of David, who are accorded deference though not royal obeisance, especially if they are Torah scholars, and all practicing Jews look forward to the day when the Davidic Kindom will be restored along with the Temple, and pray three or more times daily for his coming.
Reading direct from the Septaugint here: “Kai anthropos en (eta, not epsilon) Ioudaios en (epsilon, not eta) Sousois tei polei, kai onoma autou Mardochaoios ho tou...ek phules Beniamin...”
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