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Posted on 04/03/2012 6:58:11 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer

Are heirlooms really as good and tasty as good old hybrids like Better Boy or BeefMaster?

I am growing Old German, Cherokee Purple, Boxcar Willie and several yellows...

I've dedicated the majority of my small garden to heirlooms.

Hope they are all they are cracked up to be.


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KEYWORDS: heirloom; heirloomtomatoes; pomodori; tomatoes
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I'm looking forward to harvesting some of the yellow tomatoes. And Cherokee Purple sounds like a good one, too.
1 posted on 04/03/2012 6:58:21 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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Cherokee Purple are as beautiful as they are tasty! Enjoy your heirlooms.
2 posted on 04/03/2012 7:00:36 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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As a cook, I was happy with the heirlooms as far as flavor and structure go. I've never grown them. I only grow Romas.

Each type of tomato is useful for different types of things. Some for juice, some for salsa, some for sauce, some for salads.

If I can only have one... for me, it's the Roma.

/johnny

3 posted on 04/03/2012 7:04:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

People in NC say Cherokee Purple are excellent.

We grew several varieties of heirloom tomatoes last year. Some were good, others didn’t get any tomatoes. I’ll have to check my notes to see which were the failures, before we plant for this year!


4 posted on 04/03/2012 7:05:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Read "Radical Son" by David Horowitz to understand the Left.)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Love them all! Brandywine are my all time favorite. They are much better tasting then hybrids in every way.


5 posted on 04/03/2012 7:05:46 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: Former MSM Viewer
BTW, the restaurant paid a SERIOUS premium for the heirlooms. If you wind up with a glut, hit your local 3 or 4 star fine dining establishment and make a few bucks selling the excess.

/johnny

6 posted on 04/03/2012 7:06:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: goodwithagun

I also have Sunny Boy, Pineapple & Golden Boy (Yellows).

Been watering exclusively with captured rainwater since I planted, too.


7 posted on 04/03/2012 7:06:54 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Grown Better Boys, they make great sandwiches.


8 posted on 04/03/2012 7:07:51 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: rsobin

I have Brandywine from seeds....coming on strong now. I’m excited.


9 posted on 04/03/2012 7:08:53 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: JRandomFreeper

Using this year as a test plot to a possible 1 acre tomato farm in coming year or two...

How much did they pay per pound for the heirlooms?


10 posted on 04/03/2012 7:11:31 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Please see the Weekly Gardening Thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2866495/posts

Wonderful information for many questions and answers too!
Enjoy


11 posted on 04/03/2012 7:12:02 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

See if you can find some big ol’ Burpee Marglobes. Oh, my gosh, what a tomato!


12 posted on 04/03/2012 7:15:11 PM PDT by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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To: Former MSM Viewer
It's been a while (and 3 restaurants and 2 deployments ago), so I don't remember the prices, but it was 10 times the price of romas. I remember that well enough. I wouldn't sign the invoice. I took it to chef and made him sign it.

/johnny

13 posted on 04/03/2012 7:18:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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Most are ugly as heck but the flavors are beyond describing.

Yes, they ARE that good.


14 posted on 04/03/2012 7:20:02 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (No Romney or Santorum vote from my family!)
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I have liked Cherokee Purple that I have grown better than any other variety.


15 posted on 04/03/2012 7:21:51 PM PDT by MtnClimber (BHO - If I had a son he would have a screwdriver and steal jewlery from the 1%. GCB's!)
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To: Randy Larsen

YES! :)


16 posted on 04/03/2012 7:23:02 PM PDT by Rexann
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To: Former MSM Viewer

I work part time in a fruit & veggy stand in Port Townsend and we get a lot of exotic stuff in. I think Heirlooms were an oddity when they first came in and sure, they tasted good and looked fascinating, but it was hit and miss. Some of them were actually on the tasteless side to me if anything. Also I noticed that they would sometimes be “pithy” on one entire side, while fine on the other.
Don’t get me wrong, some of the large purple or multicolored Beefsteak type Heirlooms were actually outstanding. But nothing can beat any of the West coast farms which produce the large, red, in-season Beefsteak tomato. They are like a meal in themselves, no need for even salt. So dang incredible. Organic or otherwise, major farms or family. I used to grow the Better Boys and Early Girls myself that turned out excellent but was never able to grow a nice Beefsteak for some reason. I just had to respond to this post. I hope YOUR tomatoes turn out great!


17 posted on 04/03/2012 7:24:05 PM PDT by Rainwave (Israel Rocks!...go get 'em gang.)
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And if you are serious about selling to restaurants, you need to work with the chef before-hand and find out what they want.

As I said, different tomato varieties are good for different things. We used them in salads, and wanted salad tomatoes. Juicers or saucers wouldn't have worked well.

Don't be shy about talking to the chefs, they want good local stuff, if they can plan for it a week or six in advance.

Best of luck with it. I've seen small growers and high-end restaurants have great relationships with everyone making money.

/johnny

18 posted on 04/03/2012 7:24:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

This would be a good question to post on the Weekly Gardening Thread.

Heirlooms rock! You can save the seeds and get the same tomato from them the next year. They usually have better old time flavor - may be a little more acidic which is good for canning purposes. Good luck with your tomatoes.


19 posted on 04/03/2012 7:25:13 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: MtnClimber

Saw one called Mortgage Lifter. Can only imagine the resourcefulness of previous generations.

So many of my neighbors are just amazed I grow a garden...they are clueless


20 posted on 04/03/2012 7:26:07 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Rainwave

A few yrs ago, I shared a garden and we had 52 plants. I would bring home 20-30 ripe tomatoes a week.

I made the best spaghetti sauce using fresh homegrown tomatoes...better than the $7/qt sauce from Whole Foods...

Thanks for the good wishes...


21 posted on 04/03/2012 7:31:55 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Former MSM Viewer

If you can find it, use turkey manure to make them pop.

Chicken sh!t is what the libs use.


22 posted on 04/03/2012 7:32:06 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (No Romney or Santorum vote from my family!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Besides buying into commodities, such as guns, ammo, long term food storage, extra durable clothes, etc., growing a garden is an excellent idea. All seeds should be heirloom as they can produce seeds that can be replanted. Neighbors have laughed at my garden, but it gets a little bigger each year. Have had some failures but that is part of the learning experience for the area and skills building.


23 posted on 04/03/2012 7:32:22 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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I bought some Cherokee Purples last season and was disappointed. They are supposed to be low acid, which would be easier on a lot of people’s stomachs, but the ones I had seemed low on taste also... It was late in the season, and I may have just gotten some poor ones, though. The market guy said his customers are crazy about them (and they were pricey).

“Celebrity” tomatoes seem to grow real well around here (East TN). I usually grow a variety of hybrids. German Queen is my old favorite for eating plain, and Celebrity or Better Boy for sandwiches and canning.

Good luck!


24 posted on 04/03/2012 7:32:34 PM PDT by Fletcher J
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To: Former MSM Viewer

bfl


25 posted on 04/03/2012 7:34:20 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (The only economic certainty: When it all blows up, Krugman will say we didn't spend enough.)
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To: Fletcher J

I’ve had great success with Celebrity & Better Boy. Just thought I would try the heirlooms. Hoping for something special...


26 posted on 04/03/2012 7:40:32 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Where do you guys get your hybrid seeds?


27 posted on 04/03/2012 7:49:28 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: goodwithagun
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I have 18 Earthboxes ... they are incredible ...


Experimented with Cherokee Purple "CP" last nov-dec-jan in the Tampa area ... they were pretty good, kind of a weird shape sometimes, tasted preyy good as well ...

Also had great success with Celebrity (hybrid) ...

This season I'm planting several different types of hybrids (2 plants each, both in a single earthbox) ...

I'm kinda tired of experimenting after 6 growing seasons with often failed tomatoes ...



I put together a comprehensive seasonal time-line chart if you would like to have it ... it's an adobe PDF ...

Douglas-A-Coggeshall@TampaBay.RR.com



For those living in the Clearwater-Dunedin (FL) area ... you "have" to visit "Emmet" at the Home Depot at US-19 and Curlew, on most Saturday mornings ...

He's a great guy, and "genuine" plant-scientist-genius ...



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28 posted on 04/03/2012 7:50:31 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

I like Pruden’s Purple - it tastes like Cherokee Purple but it’s 10-12 days earlier.

Aunt Ruby’s German Green - rich and spicy, sweet slicer, gets a golden blush when ripe.

Kellogg’s Orange Breakfast - creamy, smooth, loads of tomato flavor without any harshness

Black Krim - complex, spicy, but not the same as Aunt Ruby. Seems disease prone.

Yellow Pear - feh. Most prolific tomato I have ever grown, nasty, waxy, tasteless things.

Principe Borghese - for sun-dried tomatoes.

This year, it’s Kellogg’s, Black Krim (one more chance - if it’s sickly, I’m done with it), and Polbig - very early, sets fruit in cool weather.

There is a whole world of tomatoes out there, but I believe I’d be happy with Pruden’s, Aunt Ruby, Kellogg’s, Pr. Borg., and Sungold. And a disease-resistant black.


29 posted on 04/03/2012 7:54:33 PM PDT by heartwood
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I have Mortgage Lifter seeds. My growing season is too short for them it seems. Here at 8,500 ft in the Colorado Rockies we only have about 90 days between frosts. I have to start indoors several months early for many things. Potatoes do very well however.


30 posted on 04/03/2012 8:00:01 PM PDT by MtnClimber (BHO - If I had a son he would have a screwdriver and steal jewlery from the 1%. GCB's!)
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Mr. Stripeys are the best for sandwiches and salads- huge, beautiful with orange, red, pink and salmon coloring throughout and they taste heavenly.

Also, don’t try to can the yellow tomatoes. They have too much water to turn out right.


31 posted on 04/03/2012 8:07:08 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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My favorites:

St. Pierre
Wapsipinicon Peach
Alicante
Rose
Black Russian
Amish Paste
Great White


32 posted on 04/03/2012 8:17:04 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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I love Cherokee Purples, but haven’t had much luck with getting a high yield of them.

One of the best ever is Black Cherry (cherry size). They just keep coming and coming and have the richest, smokiest flavor you’ll ever find. I ate bowls and bowls of them. Trickle a little Italian dressing on them and you have heaven.


33 posted on 04/03/2012 8:21:15 PM PDT by randita
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As far as I’m concerned, Brandywine tomatoes are hard to beat in the flavor department.


34 posted on 04/03/2012 8:31:25 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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IMO a heirloom tomato is essential to the making of a good BLT, they just seem to be so much juicier and full of flavor than the others. I loves my BLTs.


35 posted on 04/03/2012 8:40:23 PM PDT by ApeStyle
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My wife and I grow only heirloom tomatoes, mortgage lifters are one of our favorites, excellent taste and one slice hangs over the edge of a sandwich


36 posted on 04/03/2012 8:50:42 PM PDT by standing man (stand tall)
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I love heirlooms. They offer such a wide variety of flavor and texture. Hope yours are as satisfying as the ones I grow and eat


37 posted on 04/03/2012 8:54:48 PM PDT by Nifster
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Try Black Krim. Once you’ve grown it, you’ll never stop.


38 posted on 04/03/2012 8:55:41 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FOCUS ON FACTS: 0bamaCare Hated. Worst Recovery. Failed Stimulus. Worst Deficits.)
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Some varieties are worth saving--others are not.

35 years ago, I grew Yellow Pear and loved the flavor, but in the past decade, none of the seeds I have tried produced anything worth growing. If anyone knows of a good Yellow Pear source, please share!

Not all modern varieties should be shunned. Sweet Million is a spectacular cherry tomato, both in flavor and productivity. It's a hybrid, but I have had them grow back as volunteers and yield a plant very much like the parent! I've given Sweet Million plants to people, and they uniformly rave about this variety.
39 posted on 04/03/2012 8:56:40 PM PDT by Nepeta
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Yes they are and they have a wide variety of taste. Do a wide variety of indeterminate tomatoes. Only grow determinate tomatoes if you’re caning them or making sauce. Determinate tomatoes come ripe about the same time where indeterminate tomatoes come ripe over a long period of time. Pick several different types and then plant at same time, then in about 3-4 weeks plant more of the same varieties. You’ll have a longer period where you have ripe tomatoes that way. The days on the tags tell you how long from planting until first fruit. I usually pick some 60 day 70-80 day and 90 day varieties to plant at same time.

The varieties you can use depend on where you live. I’m in the San Fernando Valley which is very hot and dry. The varieties for Dallas/Houston or New England are very different from what grow really well here. Contact Tomato Mania.

One tomato that I always grow isn’t a heirloom is Sun Gold which is a hybrid cherry. They are just delicious. Considering it’s just my wife and I we usually have 3 plants and they don’t go to waste. I think they have a very wide growing range and they grow great here. The Yellow Pears are good too (cherry pear) I’m not fond of the various black tomatoes. Mortgage Lifter, Green Zebra, German Johnson, Arkansas Traveler (doesn’t grow that well here but they are tasty), and Stupice, are good varieties and taste great. I didn’t like the Juane Flamme was highly recommended but I didn’t like it (lack of flavor), but I think it wasn’t right for the area and I might have made a mistake with watering and fertilizer.

One tip I learned about planting tomatoes. Remove all leaves except the top 2 and all stems other than the main one. Then plant the plant deep enough that only the two leaves are above the ground. The entire stem will sprout roots. That will give you a stronger plant earlier and really accelerate the growth.


40 posted on 04/03/2012 9:12:40 PM PDT by airedale
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To: Former MSM Viewer

If you decide you don’t like them, send them my way. They make the best sauces and are fantastic on sandwiches and in salads. Yummy!


41 posted on 04/03/2012 9:20:34 PM PDT by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
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To: MtnClimber

Try some of the siberian, Alaskan and russian varieties. They were designed for colder seasons. I grow them in the late fall and winter here. No freezes in the San Fernando Valley. They grow well, quickly and are very hardy. Do a google search on Tomatoes for Cooler weather.


42 posted on 04/03/2012 9:23:40 PM PDT by airedale
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To: Former MSM Viewer

I went to OSH and g0t a 6 pack of heirloom tomatoes.


43 posted on 04/03/2012 9:37:01 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: airedale

I did just what you suggested and have many varieties for colder climates. Many are the cherry varieties though. Last year I only got Cherokee Purple (not a cold variety) that I dug up and put in a container inside. The others all got frozen on an early fall night when it was supposed to get down to 38F, but actually got down to 25F. I have started indoors a month earlier to try to get a harvest on some things like tomatoes, squash and peppers.


44 posted on 04/03/2012 9:55:33 PM PDT by MtnClimber (BHO - If I had a son he would have a screwdriver and steal jewlery from the 1%. GCB's!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Brandywine Pink, a taste you’ll never forget.


45 posted on 04/03/2012 9:57:22 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: MtnClimber

Have built a cold weather box? I’m not in a cold area so I don’t know how effective they are. http://www.savvygardener.com/Features/cold_frames-hotbeds.html As a boy when I lived in Michgan our neigbors used something like them (not as sophisticated) to get a start on their veggies. It worked.


46 posted on 04/03/2012 10:02:50 PM PDT by airedale
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To: Nepeta

Burpee apparently sells them. I did a search for “yellow pear tomato” and came up with a lot. I should have done “yellow pear tomato seeds”


47 posted on 04/04/2012 2:28:28 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt.)
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Lots of places sell Yellow Pear tomato seeds, but I am looking for a strain that has some flavor. Somewhere along the line, flavor seems to have been bred out.


48 posted on 04/04/2012 2:39:55 AM PDT by Nepeta
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To: Free Vulcan

Oh!!! those black Russians are incredible!
A few years back I saw some starters and tried them, didn’t get much yield that year but they were excellent!

I remember when I was a kid and a tomato really tasted like a tomato. Most these days taste like cardboard.

I’m prepping my garden now with alot of lime and compost.
Went out and turned over some of my compost pile, man, I must have A BILLION of the little red worms. Pile is mostly coffee grounds, eggshells, various salad greens that went funky on me, orange peels, all that kinda stuff...


49 posted on 04/04/2012 2:50:58 AM PDT by djf (Obama - the "OJ verdict" of presidents!!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Save your own seeds. Get one of the biggest tomatoes and take the seeds for the following year. Eventually you will have tomatoes that are acclimated to your specific area.

There are various ways to save seeds. Some people put the seeds and fruit around them into water in jelly jars and let them ferment. Eventually the seeds will fall to the bottom.


50 posted on 04/04/2012 6:02:22 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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