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It looks like DHS isnít the only ammunition hog in the United States
Activist Post ^ | 4-4-2012 | James Smith

Posted on 04/06/2012 4:36:39 AM PDT by Renfield

There are two stories that have come to light recently, the first is the awarding of a contract to a munitions manufacturer for 450,000,000 hollow point rounds for the .40 caliber.

The second story which I wrote is how the Department of Homeland Security had already ordered 200,000,000 rounds of .40 caliber, but also ordered 15,000 gun cleaning kits for the .40 caliber weapons, and has put a request out for a virtual shooting gallery for the .40 caliber handguns.

650,000,000 round of ammunition is quite a bit of lead and brass. It will sure to drive the price of copper and brass way up. But Homeland Security is not alone in their requests.

The other departments -- the ones that handle mundane things like meat quality -- believe they need to be armed to the teeth as well. It’s enough to make a non-paranoid person, well, paranoid.

The US Department of Agriculture put in a bid for a wide variety of ammunition. I guess raiding farms and raw milk dairies can be very dangerous work. The required rounds are listed below, and include shotgun slugs.

Frangible rounds – for those who don’t know, are rounds that are designed to break apart when they hit walls or other hard surfaces to prevent ricochets during close-quarters combat.

Added: Sep 28, 2011 5:15 pm

(1) 40 caliber, 180 grain, 120,000 rounds or equivalent,

(2) 9 mm, 124 grain, 50,000 rounds or equivalent,

(3) .38 caliber, 135 grain, 10,000 rounds or equivalent,

(4) .380 caliber, 90 grain, 6,000 rounds or equivalent,

(5) .223 caliber, 64 grain, 87,500 rounds or equivalent,

(6) 12 gauge 00 buck, 15,000 rounds or equivalent,

(7) 40 caliber frangible, 10,000 rounds or equivalent,

(8) 9 caliber frangible, 10,000 rounds or equivalent,

(9) .223 caliber frangible, 10,000 rounds or equivalent,

(10) 12 gauge 1 oz slug, 7,500 rounds or equivalent

The cartridges shall be delivered to Albuquerque, NM.

And the Department of the Interior needs ammunition as well, but much less, and put the order out on September 2011:

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services require the following items, Exact Match Only, to the following:

1. Remington Frangible .40 Caliber Pistol Ammunition – 2,500 rounds

2. Remington .40 Caliber Pistol Ammunition (180 grain) Full Metal Jacket – 6,000 rounds

3. Remington .223 Caliber Rifle Ammunition (62 grain) Full Metal Jacket – 3,000 rounds

4. Remington FX Marking Cartridges (9 mm) – 2,000 rounds

These requirements seem normal considering the possibility of running into grizzly bears and wolverines. These, to me, are acceptable quantities to order.

And of course the FBI needs about 100,000,000 rounds of .40 caliber ammunition for law enforcement needs. It posted the request November 15, 2011 and the order will be awarded this week. Oddly, it states a fixed-price, indefinite-delivery, indefinite-quantity type contract; however the pricing requirements go up to 100,000,000 rounds.

So with that large order, we now can move the total “excess” number of .40 caliber rounds that is needed by this administration to 750,000,000 rounds.

Because we live in a free society they feel they must be armed against Amish folk who want to sell people raw milk, like most humans on this planet drink. Maybe the USDA needs the ammunition to fight the evil cadre of “Lemonade Stands” that will soon be terrorizing people walking down sidewalks in Suburbia America.

How can a government justify 2.2 rounds per American citizen? Granted, ammunition does have a great shelf life, but this is utterly ridiculous!

The best way to avoid a civil war is not to start one. If “they” are planning to start one, then it would make sense to arm yourself and take away the guns of the citizenry. If this is just for “work”, ie, to stop bad guys, then the numbers just don’t make sense.

As Sherlock Holmes would say, “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”. We are running out of the impossibles and the improbables.

The leftovers are unconscionable and frightening. The game is afoot my friends. Evil in the guise of a benevolent government is still evil.

Will the characters be unmasked in time for our free country to remain free, or will we be another stiff on the slab of history.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: 2012; ammunition; banglist; bloodoftyrants; dhs; homelandsecurity; obama; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 04/06/2012 4:36:46 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

If obama’s suporters, in their drive to “fundamentally remake America”, cannot defeat the 2d amendment, his administration will use cabinet agency budgets to drive up the cost of ammunition? Rationing by supply and demand?


2 posted on 04/06/2012 4:56:41 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Renfield

BUMP


3 posted on 04/06/2012 4:56:56 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama, rope and chains)
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To: silverleaf

Buy Ak’s and ammo from Russia directly.
My kid has done just that, AK74, Mosin Nagant, Saiga 12 ga. and all associated ammo.
Purchased from Russia, ammo delivered to your home via Big Brown. Guns sent to a licenced dealer for your convenient pick up.
Comes in well packed crates with Russian markings all over them. Delivery guy sure looks bewildered.


4 posted on 04/06/2012 5:03:05 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Renfield

“These requirements seem normal considering the possibility of running into grizzly bears and wolverines.” Wouldn’t want to encounter a grizzly with any of these calibers!


5 posted on 04/06/2012 5:04:20 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: Joe Boucher

Big Sis may pay you a visit, friend
Your kid may be tagged for life in “the system”
Good luck to you


6 posted on 04/06/2012 5:04:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Renfield

Hell, I could supply almost half of that just in ready stock in my basement.

These guys are way behind!!


7 posted on 04/06/2012 5:07:21 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Delta 21

Awww sorry...all except for that crappy .40 cal. There definatly gonna need all that they can get their hands on !!


8 posted on 04/06/2012 5:10:38 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Renfield

Anybody thinking “our” government remains “ ours” anymore is deluded. Our creditors are preparing to come for their collateral.


9 posted on 04/06/2012 5:12:15 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Renfield

Welcome to the USSA, comrades. A police state is a safe state!


10 posted on 04/06/2012 5:17:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Renfield

The obama doctrine:

Drive up the price of fuel beyond the average Americans ability to pay

Drive up the price of food beyond the average Americans ability to pay

Drive up the price of guns and ammo beyond the ability of the average Americans ability to pay

Continue driving up all prices until the average American is dependent on the government for all their needs.


11 posted on 04/06/2012 5:29:17 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: silverleaf

Was in the Army when Eschelon started up.
We all are on the list for everything we do.
What my kid did is legal today.


12 posted on 04/06/2012 5:36:50 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Renfield

Precursor to banning ammunition sales perhaps? Or it could be innocent - when was the last time they ordered this much ammo?


13 posted on 04/06/2012 5:38:03 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: Renfield

Socialism always ends up the same way - with a bullet to the back of someone’s head!


14 posted on 04/06/2012 5:49:11 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Delta 21

I didn’t see anything bigger than .223 on their shopping list.What are they going to do when the angry citizens with .30 weapons get restless?


15 posted on 04/06/2012 5:59:43 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Joe Boucher

I have about 7 1911s, and I once bought 500 rds of Wolf .45ACP for them. Ball Ammo with a steel case. In one of the 1911s (an accurized Springfield), the cartridges always get hung up after the first round. Turns out the extraction rim on the ammunition is slightly thinner than regular brass rims.. On the gun in question, the extractor doesn’t grip the rim strongly and it drops a little on recoil causing a jam....damned frustrating thing now that I have to make sure not to load it in that particular weapon.


16 posted on 04/06/2012 6:05:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Renfield
It will sure to drive the price of copper and brass way up.

This may be its sole purpose. Barry's administration believes in social engineering. The American people are buying too much gasoline so they find ways to raise the price; why not do it with ammo? Beyond being adored/feared, the next thing Barry likes most is being in control of others. Narcissists s*ck.

17 posted on 04/06/2012 6:08:18 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: ExpatCanuck

The ONLY possibility is that the ruling elite plan to use that ammo on us 300 million Americans.

By the way, folks, this started long before Obama...he’s just a stooge for the Bilderbergers. This stuff has been planned at least since the Federal Reserve was founded.


18 posted on 04/06/2012 6:18:42 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

(4) .380 caliber, 90 grain, 6,000 rounds or equivalent,

6000 rounds of .380....ptooey.


19 posted on 04/06/2012 6:53:01 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Joe Boucher
Comes in well packed crates with Russian markings all over them. Delivery guy sure looks bewildered.

The visual is hilarious! What a great idea, though. I may have to check into that!
20 posted on 04/06/2012 7:20:45 AM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: Renfield

The DHS and USDA thugs can carry as much ammo as they wish; doesn’t do much good when you’re getting picked off from ambush.


21 posted on 04/06/2012 7:29:45 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Renfield

Anyone with less than 10,000 rnds of each ammo-type they have need of has their head up their rectal passage...or in the sand...If you are lucky (or skilled) enough to survive the initial chaos, the long haul remains.


22 posted on 04/06/2012 7:39:25 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SuperLuminal
"Anyone with less than 10,000 rnds of each ammo-type they have need of has their head up their rectal passage..."

LOL! Calm down. If you seriously anticipate the need for 10K rounds of ammo for each ammo type owned, your tactics have failed, and the environment you've placed yourself in will ensure you not live to see more than a few dozen rounds expended. Spend your money on something more useful. Gun fights = casualties. You will be one of them. First Rule: don't be there.
23 posted on 04/06/2012 8:05:42 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: PowderMonkey

Well lets see...1000 rounds of 9mm weigh around 30lbs depending on loose or boxed. so 10K would be 300 lbs. Good luck being mobile with 300 lbs of 9mm for your hand gun and 1000 rounds of 308 weighs around 52 lbs...so 10K rounds of that is another 520 lbs...if you go 223 you can roughly halve that down to around 250 or so. Just through all that in your bug out bag sling over your shoulder and hustle to safety :)

I always chuckle when I hear of 1000s of rounds per person or per weapon being stored in someones basement or safe for the stuff hitting the fan day. Sure buy in bulk for target and fun, but don’t think you want to figure out how to move around a storage of a 1000 lbs or more of ammo. Real inconvenient and makes you a big target for the guys that don’t have any!
My generic recommendation is a few hundred (200-500) .22 shells, 100 or so hand gun and 100 or so rifle. Plenty to survive with, still be mostly mobile and deter the average bad guy scenario. Any plans to send a few thousand rounds down range defending your home, is probably misguided unless you happen to have a mini-gun or something :)


24 posted on 04/06/2012 9:26:30 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: JimRed

hmmm...that is a lot of 40 cal. I may have to consider that as a secondary option to 9mm as a good ‘stuff hitting the fan’ scenario. 9mm like 308 and 223 has been my plan as finding more of it on the ‘battlefield’ would be an option since most NATO/UN/and Armed Forces all carry 9’s so trading for it or acquiring it through some manner after I expended my initial cache would be a seemingly viable option.


25 posted on 04/06/2012 9:31:07 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: Joe Boucher

Not a bad idea but do you have a link?


26 posted on 04/06/2012 9:36:36 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: JimRed

“The DHS and USDA thugs can carry as much ammo as they wish; doesn’t do much good when you’re getting picked off from ambush”

Yes. Perhaps everyone should start carrying .40 cal. As the Israelis say “Good gun, only dropped in the sand one time.”


27 posted on 04/06/2012 9:43:19 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Farmer Dean

I don’t feel threatened by any of the pistol ammo. The .223 ammo could reach out and touch you. Assuming a muzzle velocity of 3165 fps a 62 grain .223 bullet will fly a maximum distance of 1100 yards. What I got waiting for them is also a .30 caliber. Assuming a muzzle velocity of 2900+ fps a 165 grain .30-06 bullet will fly a maximum distance of 5400 yards. As millions of us would say to the gutless wonder ,”Bring it!”


28 posted on 04/06/2012 10:11:21 AM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Farmer Dean

I don’t feel threatened by any of the pistol ammo. The .223 ammo could reach out and touch you. Assuming a muzzle velocity of 3165 fps a 62 grain .223 bullet will fly a maximum distance of 1100 yards. What I got waiting for them is also a .30 caliber. Assuming a muzzle velocity of 2900+ fps a 165 grain .30-06 bullet will fly a maximum distance of 5400 yards. As millions of us would say to the gutless wonder ,”Bring it!”


29 posted on 04/06/2012 10:30:05 AM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Gaffer

My kid had problems with his saiga 12 ga not extracting shells and jamming.
He researched it and found a fix by opening the exhasut gas ports.
Always a fix of some kind. Always more problems out there


30 posted on 04/06/2012 10:40:03 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: bearsgirl90

If you can’t figure it out, let me know and I’ll ask him the particulars and give them to you.
Pretty heavy getting a thousand or two 7.62 delivered to your door being drug up by some poor guy wondering what the hell you’re getting from Russia!


31 posted on 04/06/2012 10:43:22 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: oldfart

Listen OldFart, bearsgirl90 also is interested so I’ll ask my kid and get back to you.
He has a date tomight and won’t be home til late but I’ll get it and get back to you tomorrow on it with details.
Honest it is crazy and there is a bucket load of ammo available from the ruskies for lots less in different guage.
First got involved here when ammo became sooo very hard to get right around the last presidential.


32 posted on 04/06/2012 10:47:46 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: SuperLuminal

If you’re stocking 10,000 rounds of each type, unless you’re spreading it out over several weapons of that caliber, you need to have spare barrels and the means to replace them.


33 posted on 04/06/2012 10:54:40 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Boomer One

I was going to say that. You’d have to be in desperate last chance circumstances (or a fool) to shoot a griz with any of those. And the chances of even seeing a wolverine are about as good as meeting a Squatch in downtown Seattle for a cafe latte.


34 posted on 04/06/2012 11:16:56 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: An American!; PowderMonkey
Any plans to send a few thousand rounds down range defending your home,
is probably misguided unless you happen to have a mini-gun or something :)

You guys just don't understand modern urban warfare.

Jack Sparrow and 40,000 Headmen

So I turned around and 40,000 headmen hit the dirt.
Firing 20 shotguns each and man it really hurt.
But luckily for me they had to stop and then reload.
And by the time they'd done that I was heading down the road.

;^)

35 posted on 04/06/2012 11:32:49 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Joe Boucher

IIRC, Big Brown doesn’t deliver spam cans, but Fed-Ex does. I prefer Fed-Ex anyway since they’re not union. I may be wrong.

Don’t forget SKS. They’re usually a lot less costly than AK’s and are almost as reliable.


36 posted on 04/06/2012 12:00:03 PM PDT by hotshu (Redistribution of wealth by the government is nothing but theft under the color of law.)
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To: PowderMonkey
"...your tactics have failed, and the environment you've placed yourself in will ensure you not live to see more than a few dozen rounds expended. Spend your money on something more useful. Gun fights = casualties. You will be one of them. First Rule: don't be there."

LOL...So many assumptions based on a statement I made that revealed none of my tactics, environment, and how or when money has been spent...

Needless to say, my original statement clearly talks about the need for plenty of ammo IF one survives the initial chaos. If you wish to discuss my short-, and long-term strategies (which have been in place and tested since 1998), post a private reply.

Deep behind the enemy lines I await hearing, respectfully, more of your expertise. There's no such thing as too much knowledge, so I am open to anything that may have been overlooked

37 posted on 04/06/2012 12:48:12 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: DuncanWaring

Agree. Covered this in late 90’s when everything was dirt cheap.


38 posted on 04/06/2012 12:52:37 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Joe Boucher
That is TOO funny!! :-)
And, thank you!
39 posted on 04/06/2012 12:52:55 PM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: Joe Boucher

I could probably find a tighter extractor but can’t be too tight or I’ll have a problem in engaging a brass case


40 posted on 04/06/2012 2:54:13 PM PDT by Gaffer
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