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The GOP Gamble (Vanity)
Self | 4/10/2012 | Self

Posted on 04/10/2012 6:43:31 PM PDT by DustyMoment

I'm not a fan or Mitt Romney and, as the campaign has dragged on, I have become increasingly disenchnted with him. It has become more clear that Mitt Romney is NOT a viable alternative to Obama and, in fact, is more like Obama than he is different.

But, we have known from the outset that Romney was the choice of the establishment Republicans - Michael Steele and the like. As staunch conservatives who believe in the principles of government laid down by the Founding Fathers and memorialized in the Constitution, we believe in the democratic process of selecting our leaders via the state primaries, the national convention and, finally, election day. Those principles, good or bad, right or wrong, have worked successfully in this country for over 200 years.

As they have done in past election cycles, the GOP establishment put their support behind moderate Mitt Romney. Most of us weren't surprised that the establishment Republicans were behind Romney from the start, they have pushed moderate candidates before - Dole, McCain and, to an extent, Bush 43.

Despite the fact that moderate GOP candidates have, generally speaking, not fared well on the national stage, Romney is the choice of the e-GOP. WE believed that Romney could be weaned from the race early with alternative candidates like Bachmann, Santorum, Perry and Gingrich. After all, we have generally been able to find a more viable candidate with broader appeal than the e-GOP's moderate.

This year, however, the e-GOP threw a new wrinkle into the debate when they raised the issue of 'electability'. That topic got many of us thinking and too many of us thought too much. 'Electability' ultimately cost Michelle Bachmann her shot at the convention. It cost Hermain Cain his shot, and Rick Perry his just as it is affecting Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich. Too many of us went to the primaries thinking that we like Bachmann, or Santorum or Cain but Romney is more "electable" so I'll vote for him even though I don't really like what he says, we have to get Obama out of the White House in November.

Between Romney's 'war chest', his negative ads, the e-GOP's backing and the issue of 'electability', we have watched the field of candidates being whittled down. We thought it was set at 4 until today when Rick Santorum 'suspended' his campaign. That left us with a field of 3 - Romney, the e-GOP's candidate, Newt Gingrich who, so far, hasn't been able to gain any traction on Romney and Ron Paul. We know that a lot of the disingenuous, biased media (DBM) and the establishment Republicans have been trying to end the primaries and get "the campaign" in full swing before the conventions this summer so that the Obama attack machine (so-called 'Truth Teams') can begin dismantling Romney before fall and, essentially, hold the election before November.

But, the cynicism of the e-GOP has never been as obvious as it has been this year. This year, we have establishment Republican insiders revealing the strategy of "the inner sanctum". This year, several high level Republicans have made statements that "regardless who the Republican candidate is" everyone will get behind the nominee and support him. In other words, from the outset, the establishment Republicans, Michael Steele, et al, intended to cram Romney down our throats with the idea that, after he became the nominee, we would all drop our objections to him and go to the polls in November like good like robots and cast our votes for him, even though some of us my not like the guy and don't believe his platform. Like Obama, Romney, the "Etch-A-Sketch" candiate is an unknown factor who cannot be relied on to select and run a truly conservative administration. He is a former democrat and a noted RINO and he is not the candidate that many of us would choose.

But, the e-GOP is gambling on all of us dropping pur objections to Romney after the convention and "getting behind" him. But, what if we call their bluff? What if, instead of selecting Romney as our candidate on the ballot this November, we don't vote for ANYONE for president? I think it is a foregone conclusion at this point that if Romney, the 'electbility' candidate becomes the GOP nominee, Obama will see a second term in office. Perhaps that was the plan all along. We KNOW that Obama in a second term is going to thoroughly destroy what is left of this country. All Romney will do is continue what Obama has started, but he will continue the destruction of America at a slower pace.

When we go to the polls in November, rather than dance to the e-GOP's tune and cast our votes for Romney, we can send a message to the RNC that we are a force to be reckoned with and our voices will be heard. We don't have to vote for a candidate we don't like or believe. We can stand up and be counted by voting FOR America, and NOT for those who don't believe in the America our Founders created.


TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!
KEYWORDS: election; gop; politics; romney

1 posted on 04/10/2012 6:43:36 PM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: DustyMoment

Romney is the suicide vest on the body of the GOP.


2 posted on 04/10/2012 6:49:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DustyMoment
I'm not a fan or Mitt Romney and, as the campaign has dragged on, I have become increasingly disenchnted with him. It has become more clear that Mitt Romney is NOT a viable alternative to Obama and, in fact, is more like Obama than he is different.

That's BS and if Bork Obunga is elected to a second term, there will not be any pieces left lying around for anybody more conservative than Mitt Romney to try to pick up or put back together four years or twelve years later. I assume that's why Mark Levin has indicated that he is supporting Romney at this point.

3 posted on 04/10/2012 6:51:10 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: DustyMoment
If you are planning on voting for no one, I would suggest a better long term strategy plan instead: vote Green Party.

Yes I know that the Green Party is opposed to everything that is right and just. I know that whoever they choose will be a reprehensible person.

However, if the Green Party gets 5% of the popular vote they will become an official party as far as the US Government is concerned. That will mean that they can demand to participate in presidential debates. That means they can get some funding from the US Government. However, sickening that prospect might be, it will allow them to pose something of a threat to the left flank of the Democrat Party.

Splitting the leftist vote is about the only thing we can hope for out of this election with Romney as the GOP candidate.

If your state is blue, vote Green!

If you're planning on voting 'None of the Above', vote for the party that is Always Wrong.

4 posted on 04/10/2012 6:52:09 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: DustyMoment

Mike Steele is not an Establishment Republican ~ in fact, after he presided over one of history’s greatest electoral triumphs the Republican Establishment FIRED Mike and brought in Priebus ~ who really is a hardcore Mittbot!


5 posted on 04/10/2012 6:52:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DustyMoment

Willard, the White Zero.


6 posted on 04/10/2012 6:53:59 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: varmintman
Mitt can still drop out of the race. It's time for Republicans to run real Republicans for office ~ Mitt doesn't quite cut it.

BTW, the difference between Mitt and Obama is much more like the difference between Stalin and Trotsky when you get right down to it. Neither one of these guys has core values that match those of your typical American.

7 posted on 04/10/2012 6:55:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DustyMoment

Better yet, let’s just vote for zero, that’ll show ‘em. If zero is re-elected, this country will never recover. It will suck and only be a memory. At that point, an Amerika under zero can go straight to hell, it will go the way of nazi Germany.
So, go ahead with FUMR, and we can all agree with ‘rev’ Wright when he said God Damn America.


8 posted on 04/10/2012 6:56:41 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: DustyMoment

The GOP-e knows that conservatives live on the Republican Plantation as surely as Blacks live on the Democrat Plantation.

They aren’t willing to stand up and object to being taken for granted. They aren’t willing to leave.

Both groups are pitiful slaves.

As long as they live in fear (and if you listen, it is fear that is driving conservatives to tell us we must support Willard),
hoping for a Reagan once every hundred years when the stars align, and suffering for the rest of the century, it will continue.

These conservatives pretend to be voting for conservatives, but create their own destiny by accepting the abuse because of their fear.
The Plantation owners have no worry that conservatives will go elsewhere. They own you because of your fear. Willard has abused
conservative values throughout his whole career and in this primary season.

I’m done voting as a slave of the RINO-Plantation. FUMR. FUGOP-e.

Now that I left the Plantation, my vote must be earned. It must be earned by conservative candidates. It will not be given to baby-killers,
gay marriage supporters or RINOmney - but I repeat myself.


9 posted on 04/10/2012 7:00:11 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: DustyMoment

Anytime I start feeling the pressure of ‘not wasting my vote’ or ‘anyone but Obama’, I just play this short four seconds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhx8e9j7r0w


10 posted on 04/10/2012 7:02:07 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: DustyMoment
That topic got many of us thinking and too many of us thought too much. 'Electability' ultimately cost Michelle Bachmann her shot at the convention. It cost Hermain Cain his shot, and Rick Perry his just as it is affecting Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich. Too many of us went to the primaries thinking that we like Bachmann, or Santorum or Cain but Romney is more "electable" so I'll vote for him even though I don't really like what he says, we have to get Obama out of the White House in November.

LOL, no we didn't. Virtually none of us here weighed electability and ended up voting for Romney.

The conservative base and grass roots mostly voted for other candidates, there just aren't enough of us - AND we didn't put up a compelling enough alternative to attract moderates and conservative minded people that don't pay much attention (which is a LOT of people).

Bachmann blew up her own campaign screeching at Perry over the HPV thing. She just came across terribly un-presidential and it destroyed her. Cain couldn't defend his personal indiscretions, Perry couldn't communicate well enough to be successful at the national level (the debates proved this). Ron Paul is a Libertarian and will never get anywhere in the Republican party due to his far left foreign and defense policy views. Santorum was a better candidate than expected, but still could only appeal to social conservatives once it became clear he wanted to talk about things like contraception being "not okay". I like Newt and have supported him, but I guess the things many of us like about him are just not appealing to enough people. That's just the problem, conservatives, base voters and grass roots supported all manner of different candidates but could never rally to one or even agree on a consensus candidate - and worse, no conservative candidate could appeal to the lower information voters that are inclined to vote Republican.

11 posted on 04/10/2012 7:14:19 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: DustyMoment
But, the e-GOP is gambling on all of us dropping pur objections to Romney after the convention and "getting behind" him. But, what if we call their bluff? What if, instead of selecting Romney as our candidate on the ballot this November, we don't vote for ANYONE for president?

I think that already happened. Like four years ago...

12 posted on 04/10/2012 7:18:38 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 32 days away from outliving Phil Hartman)
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To: kingu

Listen, we have 2 bad choices, I get it. But really, this is like a choice between Hitler and Mussolini. C’mon, we know what to do. Zero is a truly evil man; don’t put anything past him. If given a chance, zero could and would indeed imprison, torture and yes kill and commit genocide if given the chance. Zero does have to personality characteristics that in the ‘right’ situation, could lead to evil acts unprecedented in this country. I don’t like mittens, but I don’t think that he would round up conservatives and put them in a FEMA camp.
Waiting for 2016 is just whistling past the graveyard.


13 posted on 04/10/2012 7:21:44 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: DustyMoment

Romney was not my choice, and, to me, he was the worst of the group that ran for the GOP nomination, but...

It’s over, and now, we have to support him, even if reluctantly, because, at the end of the day, he’s many times better than the destroyer-in-chief now living at the White House.

So, I will not sit home hoping for the best, and I will not sit home in protest of what the GOP gave us, and I will not wait till 2016 to try to rescue this country. Now is the time to work to get rid of Obama via our votes. We don’t have a choice, and voting for a third party candidate won’t give us what we want. It’s time for Obama to go, and voting for the worst that “our” party gives us, is much better than allowing the worst of presidents ever to continue destroying the country.


14 posted on 04/10/2012 7:27:50 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
It’s over, and now, we have to support him, even if reluctantly, because, at the end of the day, he’s many times better than the destroyer-in-chief now living at the White House.

No we don't.

We don't have to vote for the Crypto-Communist Obama or his 2nd Cousin, the lying, Left-Wing, Progressive Liberal Mitt Romney.
15 posted on 04/10/2012 7:34:43 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: adorno

This has been my thinking for the last month or so. There are those that diametrically oppose our thinking though. I respect all thoughts, but at the end of the day, I am so fearful for my country, my children and grandchildren that I can not let this President destroy what is left. To be quite honest, this whole think sucks!


16 posted on 04/10/2012 7:40:23 PM PDT by marygam ((Hurry November 2012, we might not make it))
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To: SoConPubbie

If I can’t vote FOR someone (and it looks like I can’t in this Presidential cycle). . .

I vote AGAINST someone.

This year I will vote against Obama. Not a difficult decision for me.


17 posted on 04/10/2012 8:05:23 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DustyMoment

Conservatives have nobody to blame but themselves.

Not-Romney after not-Romney was shot down. Often this was because conservatives turned on them for not being sufficiently conservative on one issue or another.

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Insisting that we must have a perfect not-Romney had a good deal to do with ensuring that we wound up with Romney.

Insisting that we must have a perfect not-Obama may play a role in ensuring this Nov. that we wind up with Obama for another four years.


18 posted on 04/10/2012 8:07:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SoConPubbie

No, you don’t have to vote for “Obama’s cousin”, but, every vote not cast against Obama, puts Obama one step closer to staying in the White House and becoming “your president”, or the person that, you helped elect.


19 posted on 04/10/2012 8:13:09 PM PDT by adorno
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To: grumpygresh
Zero is a truly evil man; don’t put anything past him.

Obama's the ultimate evil man - a lazy one, who reads what's put on his teleprompters, just so long as nothing interferes with his multi-billion dollar vacations, or his lavish humpday extravaganzas at the White House, which seem to have dropped off the reporting radar, even among conservative outlets. This is a White House of the bureaucrats, for the bureaucrats. And I can't think of a single position by those entrenched liberals that Romney himself hasn't put forward and enacted as a governor.

On the other hand, Romney is a very hard worker who takes a hands on approach to everything. He works actively with liberals to forward their shared agenda. He appoints liberal activist judges, and lauded the choice of the first Latina to the SCOTUS. I can think of nothing that has been passed under the Obama administration that Romney would have the slightest quibble with, other than if he was at the helm, it would have been done better.

Obama drifts along with the Democrat party, Romney would actively lead it. Obama barely campaigns for liberals, and when he does, it is usually so late and so offhand, that it never affects the race. Romney would be in there at the start, and throw his full support behind any RINO who would back his mandate driven agenda.

If I have a choice between an evil lazy man, and an evil driven man, I'll choose the lazy man. Least those around me could get the balls to go into insurrection against someone with a (D) after their name. The same can't be said for someone with an (R).

All of this, of course, is mere speculation. Newt is still in the race, and I plan on continuing to campaign for him as hard as I can to unseat Romney before the convention. The message MUST be sent on the road there - Romney is NOT our choice.

20 posted on 04/10/2012 8:13:41 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: DustyMoment

>>...we can send a message to the RNC that we are a force to be reckoned with and our voices will be heard...<<

Good luck. However, a protest-vote, write-in, sit-out, whatever is not going to teach the GOP-e anything. I doubt they would be bothered, much less give a rat’s patoot what we do. There are far too many “republican” voters who will dutifully line-up and vote the way the GOP-e/MSM tells them to vote. We are seeing that in action right now as Romney becomes the presumptive nominee.

So, if anyone has any ideas how to change it, they should start providing the nitty-gritty details so we can get it underway for 2016.

As for me, this fall I’m voting for the GOP nominee, whoever that may be. Obama must go before he can make any more liberal *lifetime* SCOTUS appointments. At this point, that should be one of our primary motivators. The hell with the GOP. I don’t care if they think my voting for their nominee is because I’m loyal to them. They’ll never see another penny from me. I’m voting to get rid of Obama. That is all that matters to me at this point.

We have the next four years to figure out how to gut the GOP-e and nominate an actual *LEADER* who can inspire, motivate, persuade and bloody well *LEAD* the country.

My principles direct me to vote for my preferred candidate in the primary, but in the general, I *MUST* do everything I can to unseat Obama. I’d vote for the town drunk if he were running against Obama. If it comes to it, Romney will be an easy vote for me to cast. I don’t care for him personally, but it’s not about *me*; it’s about what’s best for the country. If my choices are limited to Romney or Obama — it will be Romney. Anything else would border on emotion-driven retaliation agaisnt the GOP-e, rather than logic & reason.


21 posted on 04/10/2012 8:20:23 PM PDT by jaydee770
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To: kingu

I disagree with you assessment that Romney is evil. True he is not good and possibly bad, but evil implies a person committing a truly immoral act. Would Romney order the execution of his opponents, probably not. Would Romney attempt to become a dictator, no. Would, Obama, if given the chance, and given the immunity from prosecution, commit an evil act against his opponent? Yes. Any analysis of his childhood and radical ideological indoctrination reveals that Obama harbors deep seated grudges against those that espouse traditional Western values.
Yes, Obama has a lazy streak. So did Nero, Caligula, Henry VIII, Ivan the Terrible. Obama would think nothing of destroying the republic and assuming dictatorial control, just like Hitler did to his Weimar republic.


22 posted on 04/10/2012 8:35:07 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Persevero

My last vote “FOR” a presidential candidate in the general election was Ronald Reagan. Unfortunately since then I’ve marked my ballot to vote against leftist candidate. In 2008 the choice was tough and this year it is shaping up to be even tougher. Perhaps by 2016 both parties will nominate the same progressive and save us from having to choose.


23 posted on 04/10/2012 8:56:44 PM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The Green Party . . . . . . . you want me to vote for Roseanne Barr.

And people here think I’m nuts for not wanting to dance to the e-GOP’s tune!


24 posted on 04/10/2012 9:17:14 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: grumpygresh
If zero is re-elected, this country will never recover.

If Romney is the candidate, Obama will be re-elected. Romney just doesn't resonate with most voters.

In all candor, I expect to see an "American Spring" this summer or Civil War the Sequel to begin early next year.

Take your pick.

25 posted on 04/10/2012 9:21:14 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Welcome to the club.


26 posted on 04/10/2012 9:23:44 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: adorno
So, I will not sit home hoping for the best, and I will not sit home in protest of what the GOP gave us, and I will not wait till 2016 to try to rescue this country.

You don't have to sit home. You can still cast a vote - just not for president. The choice between Obama and Etch-a-sketch is no choice at all.

We used to complain about having a choice between the lesser of the two evils. Now, we have no choice at all!

27 posted on 04/10/2012 9:30:02 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Sherman Logan

No one (at least not me) is seeking a perfect candidate. It would be great if that was one of our choices, but it isn’t.

A choice between Obama and Etch-a-Sketch os no choice at all. IOW, it’s a choice between Obama, or Obama-lite!

I’ll pass!


28 posted on 04/10/2012 9:33:03 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

I’m voting Constitution party. All 6 candidates have peaked my interest for the nomination.


29 posted on 04/10/2012 9:40:03 PM PDT by Mozilla (GOP is going the way of the Whigs)
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To: Persevero; All
If I can’t vote FOR someone (and it looks like I can’t in this Presidential cycle). . . I vote AGAINST someone. This year I will vote against Obama. Not a difficult decision for me.
I agree 100%. I hope everyone else here sees that we don't have any other choice.
30 posted on 04/10/2012 9:46:20 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: DustyMoment; All

We are stuck with the hand we were dealt. Sitting this one out or voting 3rd Party this Election cycle is a non-starter. If Zero gets another term, there will be nothing left to save in 2016.


31 posted on 04/10/2012 9:51:41 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: DustyMoment
I don't want you to vote for Roseanne Barr specifically.

I want you to vote for whatever slimeball's name is attached to the Green Party ticket.

Over the past few months we were cajoled, harangued, verbally assaulted, pleaded, pretty-pleased, and admonished NOT to vote for Romney.

Over the next few months we are going to be cajoled, harangued, verbally assaulted, pleaded, pretty-pleased, and admonished TO vote for Romney.

All of the arguments will be merely utilitarian, i.e. however pathetic Romney is Obama is even moreso.

Well damn it. If I'm supposed to vote, not on principle, but on purely utilitarian grounds then I must vote for the Green Party. Romney has zero chance to win in California. A vote for Romney in California is truly a wasted vote. The only way that I can marginally improve the situation is to vote for whatever rotting, maggot-infested, foul-smelling mass that crawls out from under the Green Party rock in hopes that enough people do likewise to turn them into a thorn in the Democrats' side.

I'm currently registered with the Silly Party (Constitutional Party), but this year my vote is going to the Very Silly Party!


32 posted on 04/10/2012 10:33:36 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: wjcsux
The only way to absolutely guarantee a second Obama term is to nominate Romney. Short of Obama being caught in his daughter's bed (and I don't even know if THAT would be enough), Obama has already won a second term, and we're just playing out the scene until his victory.

Vote for Newt, put Romney to rest. Flip Rick's delegates, and Ron Paul's as well if you have to. Otherwise, kiss the White House goodbye.

33 posted on 04/10/2012 11:49:11 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: DustyMoment

Oddly enough, that’s what a bunch of people around here said before the last election.

It is just possible conservatives sitting it out may have made the difference in one or more battleground states.

Does anyone really think Obama is no worse than McCain would have been?

Given the difficulty Obama had getting Obamacare through, does anybody seriously think the same law would have passed with McCain as president?

I’m coming to the conclusion that the perfect is not only the enemy of the good, it is the most deadly enemy of the good.

Western civilization and a free market economy objectively provide more prosperity AND more freedom to a much greater percentage of their populations than any system in history. Yet massive numbers of people in our society insist both systems must be destroyed because neither system is perfect.


34 posted on 04/11/2012 2:16:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
I don't want you to vote for Roseanne Barr specifically. I want you to vote for whatever slimeball's name is attached to the Green Party ticket.

And, that would be Roseanne Barr. The Green Party has a history of being a thin veneer for the communist Party and, on philosophical grounds alone, I won't touch it.

I'm not saying that I won't vote for ANY Republican, I just won't vote for Romney and I won't bother to write in Mickey Mouse or any other absurd name I can come up with.

What I will do is hold my nose and vote Republican for the House and Senate with the knowledge that I am sending the same people back to Congress that have made the bad situation we have in America today worse!! Obama and Romney are bad enough choices but, if we can claim control of both houses of Congress, we have a shot at stopping the excesses of either one. Not a GOOD shot, but a shot.

35 posted on 04/11/2012 4:52:45 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: wjcsux
We are stuck with the hand we were dealt.

I agree. Many people here have made the point that conservatives are to blame for the field we have and I concur with that perspective to a point. We have been routinely betrayed by the e-GOP for the last several election cycles and we have failed to make our voices heard. That means we have one of three choices: 1) cave to their cynicism and taking us for granted and vote for Romney, 2) sit out the election, or 3) particpate in the election but don't vote for Etch-A-Sketch.

Sitting this one out or voting 3rd Party this Election cycle is a non-starter.

I agree. I'm not saying that I will sit out the election, I just won't do #1 above. I will hold my nose and vote to return as many spineless Republican wusses to the Congress as I can, knowing that these are the people who helped make a bad situation worse but, maybe . . . . . just MAYBE, if we can claim enough seats in BOTH houses, we may be able to control the excesses of whomever is elected.

If Zero gets another term, there will be nothing left to save in 2016.

Again, I agree. But, the problem is that Mr. "Electability" is also Mr. Very Beatable. We have a no-win situation regardless of which way we vote. With Romney as the likely nominee, Obama wins. Why do you think the DBM has been pushing Romney as hard as the e-GOP?? They KNOW that he will lose because, as soon as he is officially crowned the Republican nominee, the 10 bazillion Obama press secretaries in the DBM will come out with more negative material about Romney than we have EVER seen about Obama. We know it and so do they. The DBM is merely collecting all the damaging information they can and waiting for him to be the official nominee.

In all candor, I think we could well see an "American Spring" this summer with all the dissatisfaction we are seeing being expresed about the current state of our political process. It's broken and pretending it isn't is just living under a rock.

If we don't see an "American Spring", then I think we could well see a Civil War - the Sequel by sometime early next year. America has been splintered by political rhetoric that pits the "poor" against the "rich", "minotities" against whites, etc. In essence, we have become a house divided against itself and, IMO, something is going to break relatively soon.

36 posted on 04/11/2012 5:16:07 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: jaydee770
However, a protest-vote, write-in, sit-out, whatever is not going to teach the GOP-e anything. I doubt they would be bothered, much less give a rat’s patoot what we do.

Possibly that's true. However, I have received three letters from the RNC this year soliciting donations using the guise of an opinion poll. Each time, I have filled it out giving my opinion (often not the one they expect) and not sending them a penny! Three solicittions in a year is a new record. The RNC is in deep doo-doo and they know it. Conservatives like me are expressing our opinions more openly than ever before and voting . . . . . by NOT opening our wallets and giving them funds. This is a message they ARE getting and I know that I'm not alone. Fund-raising by the RNC is way off from previous elections and they are discovering just how out of touch they are with the rest of America in "flyover" country!!

Maybe I'm wrong but, I think they are getting a message they don't like, don't want and don't expect. If enough of us refuse to support THEIR moderate in this election cycle, they just might hear us!!

37 posted on 04/11/2012 5:26:26 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment
You can still cast a vote - just not for president.

Sorry, but, that's equivalent to voting for Obama, or voting for the wrong president.

When a republican doesn't vote, it makes the votes by democrats doubly as powerful, because, you won't be offsetting a vote from the other side.

If the number of voters for a democrat were to be 10, and the number of voters for republicans were to be 10, and all the democrats voted for Obama, and only 9 voted for Romney, you will have essentially, given the election to Obama, which is the same as having voted him back in. I'm pretty sure you know that, but, not voting is the same as helping the other side, and the other side is counting on people like you.
38 posted on 04/11/2012 6:11:24 AM PDT by adorno
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To: grumpygresh

Your posts state the truth. Socialism is not the worst threat BHO is enacting, we’ve been on that path for years. It’s the other things you state - literal threats to our survival, as a country and individually.

BHO hates America and us. It’s awful that more people don’t grasp this because they dare not think the unthinkable. But it’s true - this deep hatred drives a purposeful agenda with BHO - something not one of our candidates even comes close to.


39 posted on 04/11/2012 6:37:59 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: adorno

I understand the math. I am philosophically opposed to the political philosophies of both likely candidates and I am tired of having a choice between the “lesser of the two evils”. That’s like asking a condemned prisoner if he wants a firing squad or a rope - either way, he’s still going to die!! This is the position that the liars and frauds in BOTH the DNC AND RNC have put us in.

We can argue this seventeen ways from Sunday and no matter what you say, I am NOT going to cast an unearned vote for someone I don’t believe has the qualifications to run a taco truck on the side of the road, much LESS serve as POTUS.

I would rather cast my votes to try to get enough Republicans/Tea Partiers/conservatives in the Congress to stop zero from doing anymore damage to the country. The spineless ‘Pubbies won’t vote to impeach in the House right now because they know that the result will be the same as the Clinton impeachment in the Senate - there will be NO conviction by the leftists in control of the Senate!!

If we cannot get a conservative majority in both houses of Congress, then shame on us. Get the majorities and we can stop the excesses of zero OR Etch-A-Sketch and, possibly, begin to right our beloved ship of state!!


40 posted on 04/11/2012 10:03:37 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

I understand your rage about the GOP giving us a candidate which renders the election as between “the lesser of two evils”, and I used to feel the same way with other elections, and I actually went along with what you’re suggesting, that being, not participating.

But, not participating is still vote for the other party, or for Obama, and that’s exactly what the democrats are hoping happens with our disgruntled party members. I know some republicans who did as you suggest, and I actually was one of them. Then, reality hit when the likes of Clinton and Obama and others in the senate and congress were elected because, some people wished to express their anger by not participating. The results of not participating are a lot more egregious and dangerous than holding your nose and actually going out to get rid of the stink in the White House.


41 posted on 04/11/2012 11:13:10 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
But, not participating is still vote for the other party, or for Obama, and that’s exactly what the democrats are hoping happens with our disgruntled party members.

Again, I'm just not going to cast a vote for POTUS. I will do everything I can to put 'Pubbies/Tea Partiers/conservatives in the Congress, but I won't vote for POTUS.

You can tell me until time comes to an end about not voting for a RINO is a vote for zero and, frankly, I'm past the point of caring. I'm 63 and I've heard that argument for decades and, you know what?? It hasn't changed a thing. Voting for the "lesser of the two evils" hasn't made America any better and has only led us to this point in our history. That's why I'm putting my foot down and refusing to play along with the "lesser of the two evils" game. It doesn't work and doesn't get the best person in the WH.

42 posted on 04/11/2012 2:38:04 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

>>...Conservatives like me are expressing our opinions more openly than ever before and voting . . . . . by NOT opening our wallets and giving them funds...<<

I think I’ve had two of those beggar-letters and I’ve done the same, letting them know how I feel (with fat-tip sharpie) with their own postage.

It would be comforting to know they are missing my support, but they have the uber-rich N.E. country-club RINO’s and the “”enlightened” rich RINO’s on both coasts to keep them flush.

All those donation letters are probably just a marketing tax-write-off. We can’t be sure we have their full attention until they start promoting conservative candidates and consistently emplacing competent conservatives in leadership *AND* I mean promote with the same scorched-earth intensity and “all-in” bet like they’ve done for Romney, McCain, Boehner, McConnell, etc, etc, etc — like all the other RINO’s they *consistently* back. It will take a few years of consistent, rabid, over-the-top, promotion of conservatives to get my memory to forget Scozzafava, Crist, etc.

If not, I hope they dry up and blow away. I doubt they will with all the gazillionaires that will keep them on life-support, but I can hope.


43 posted on 04/14/2012 6:58:46 AM PDT by jaydee770
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