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Zimmerman Prosecutor Affidavit contains NOTHING NEW!
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 04/12/12 | affadavit

Posted on 04/12/2012 2:23:35 PM PDT by gopcharger

The prosecutor affidavit contains all kinds of conjecture that certainly isn't based on the only eyewitness to certain events: Zimmerman.

Affadavit says "Trayvon Martin's mother" said the cries were Trayvon's. THAT is evidence? Zimmerman's father and brother, and LOGIC say they were Zimmerman's!

"Zimmerman confronted Martin" Doesn't the girlfriend say it was MARTIN who she heard speak first?

The fact that there is NO other evidence presented for "probable cause" than unsupported conjecture we've all heard from the race hustlers is astonishing.

Zimmerman will walk.

Affidavit:

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-04/69353440.pdf


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1 posted on 04/12/2012 2:23:40 PM PDT by gopcharger
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To: gopcharger

I have two words for the prosecutor:

Mike Nifong.


2 posted on 04/12/2012 2:27:52 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: gopcharger

The DUmmies are treating this as absolute proof that refutes Zimmerman’s whole story, and that his goose is cooked. They don’t understand that the prosecution has to PROVE all this to a jury, beyond a reasonable doubt.


3 posted on 04/12/2012 2:28:13 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (There's no shame in attacking a criminal's bean bag. -- Ron Swanson)
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To: gopcharger

But in walking, the riots are defered to a more useful, predictable time. That he was charged only adds to the outrage to come. This is political theater.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 2:29:01 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gopcharger
Zimmerman Prosecutor Affidavit contains NOTHING NEW!

Imagine my surprise.

5 posted on 04/12/2012 2:29:09 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: gopcharger
Zimmerman Prosecutor Affidavit contains NOTHING NEW!...Zimmerman will walk.

I could think of a billion ways to win this case for Zimmerman. I'd put on trial the media Sharpton, Jackson, the state of Florida, and the hostile witness list would be more than the hash marks on the oldest soldier's sleeve.

6 posted on 04/12/2012 2:31:31 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: gopcharger

I predict the charges will be dismissed at the evidence hearing. According to FL law no further charges can be brought and no civil trial can occur if it is dismissed.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 2:32:37 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: gopcharger
With a carefully picked jury who have been educated about the personal consequences to them if they vote to acquit, will Zimmerman walk?
8 posted on 04/12/2012 2:32:59 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: gopcharger
Zimmerman will walk.

Zimmerman should walk, but he will be up against the biggest railroad job and kangaroo court show trial in the history of the US.

9 posted on 04/12/2012 2:36:51 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Truth29

If it goes to trial, they will nee an all black jury to convict.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 2:37:02 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Truth29

If it goes to trial, they will need an all black jury to convict.


11 posted on 04/12/2012 2:37:20 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Truth29

If it goes to trial, they will need an all black jury to convict.


12 posted on 04/12/2012 2:37:23 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

LoL. They do live up to their given namesake.


13 posted on 04/12/2012 2:40:08 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Truth29
With a carefully picked jury who have been educated about the personal consequences to them if they vote to acquit,...

I see you know how it works.

14 posted on 04/12/2012 2:41:59 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: gopcharger

The only thing the affidavit is meant to show is probable cause to charge him. It is not a full listing of evidence, and it isn’t supposed to contain enough evidence to convict. Having said that, it still sounds pretty weak to me.


15 posted on 04/12/2012 2:43:32 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: gopcharger

So now we’ve now have an apparently “conservative Republican” prosecutor issuing an affidavit that might as well have been written by Sharpton?

What a circus!

It’d be comical were it not for the fact that a man who appears very unlikely to be actually guilty of murder is being put through this at the behest of a bunch of left-wing goons and race pimps.

Coming from where it did I expected the affidavit to present some “game changer” piece of evidence.. a cell phone cam or something.. that justified the charge.

As the case stands now, we have the most reliable eyewitness, one who saw and heard the events immediately prior to the shot, saying Martin was beating Zimmerman and Z. was calling for help, while on the other end we’ve got theories, speculations, character assassination (the profiling garbage), and now prosecution “theories” built on witness who’ve crawled out of the woodwork, changed their stories, or been exposed to weeks of propaganda and pressure.

What a travesty.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 2:45:30 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

If you don’t have the consensus of the police that initially arrived at the scene, finding guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is going to be VERY difficult (with an unbiased jury).


17 posted on 04/12/2012 2:45:52 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: PhatHead

I agree. This is by no means all the prosecution has, but even on it’s own, it’s a weak document.

The most damning claim is that Z followed M after being “instructed” by a dispatcher not to do that. That’s been dealt with numerous times, the dispatcher has no legal authority to command Z. It doesn’t address the actual fight beyond “A struggle ensued”, a phrase that could be used to describe what happened after Germany invaded Poland.

This is pretty lame stuff.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 2:48:02 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: gopcharger
Meanwhile I just received a CNN breaking news alert text which says: Florida investigators say in an affidavit that George Zimmerman profiled, confronted, then fatally shot Trayvon Martin.

I hope George Zimmerman ends up OWNING CNN!!!

19 posted on 04/12/2012 2:49:06 PM PDT by noexcuses
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To: gopcharger

“Affadavit says “Trayvon Martin’s mother” said the cries were Trayvon’s. THAT is evidence? Zimmerman’s father and brother, and LOGIC say they were Zimmerman’s! “

I wonder why everyone ignores the witness “John” who SAW Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him and SAW Zimmerman screaming for help. Everyone ignores this witness. CNN even had an online piece on all the witnesses and left this man out. Who cares what a relative thinks they heard on a recording or what some 3rd party sound company says...WE HAVE A WITNESS!!!

“The guy on the bottom who I believe had a red sweater on was yelling to me help, help, and I told him to stop and I was calling 911. I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.”


20 posted on 04/12/2012 2:49:54 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Tax codes and spending don't get 14 year olds pregnant and on welfare. Morality Matters.)
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To: umgud
They could have 3 or 4 whites on the jury--avid watchers of MSNBC or subscribers to The Nation--and get 12-0 vote for "guilty."
21 posted on 04/12/2012 2:51:07 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: gopcharger

There seem to be some inaccuracies in the affadavit, along with lots of spin.

1) The “police dispatcher” seemed to actually be a 911 operator. I believe he answered the call by asking if GZ needed “police, fire or medical”.

2) The 911 operator did not “instruct” GZ not to follow TM, he simply said, “We don’t need you to do that.”, in a very casual tone of voice. It was certainly not a order.

3) They claim that TMs girlfriend said he TM was “running”, but the the recording of the interview she says that he was “walking fast” and she told him to run, but he said he would not run. Logic would also dictate that a 6’2” 160 lb football player should be easily able to outrun the short, portly Zimmerman, especially with a head start.

BTW, has have the results of the toxicology tests on the corpse of Saint Trayvon been released yet?


22 posted on 04/12/2012 2:51:38 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: gopcharger

I at least thought they would indicate from what angle Martin was shot. I assume it wasn’t in the back, because that would warrant a higher charge.

But they should be able to determine if Martin was standing when shot, how far away he was from the gun, or whether he was shot from below while he pinned Zimmerman down.


23 posted on 04/12/2012 2:51:42 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: icwhatudo

They have to weigh the evidence—the speculation of a black person like Trayvon’s mother tips the scales over the speculation of a white person like Robert Zimmerman.


24 posted on 04/12/2012 2:52:22 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: gopcharger

If it does go to trial, expect a change of venue petition to be submitted, and the trial moved to a more “urban” district court.

It worked for the second King trial.


25 posted on 04/12/2012 2:53:03 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Sister of Nifong.


26 posted on 04/12/2012 2:53:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Anyone that walks in with a National Standard to read while waiting to be interviewed will be immediately released. This prosecutor will want the Oprah, Olberbite crowd.


27 posted on 04/12/2012 2:56:20 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (God is dead - William Hamilton....William Hamilton is dead - God (And he means it))
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To: gundog
This is political theater.

I agree. This is nothing more than a major distraction in which everyone, including FR, is engaging. I ignore most every story that I see regarding Martin & Zimmerman and look to see what else is happening that they don't want us to focus on.

28 posted on 04/12/2012 2:57:25 PM PDT by PuzzledInTX
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To: Truth29
With a carefully picked jury who have been educated about the personal consequences to them [or their job, spouse, children, parents, etc.] if they vote to acquit, will Zimmerman walk?

BTW, here's the court where Zimmerman will be tried.

29 posted on 04/12/2012 2:57:51 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: gopcharger
Obama and son's race relations 2012 with a lot of help from the MSM

If at first it don't seethe try, try anything ethical or not to make it seethe.

If NBC's patented cherry-bomb journalism had any effect then the affidavit probably reads something like this.

. . . Zimmerman who is white attacked the 12-year-old black child . . . neighbors said that the white man . . . Zimmerman, described as white and well over two hundred pounds, . . . Zimmerman, a white resident of . . . Zimmerman a white neighborhood watch . . . police said they found the white man standing over the slain black . . . .

30 posted on 04/12/2012 3:00:48 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: gopcharger
Two days ago, it was all over the news that the special prosecutor would be releasing NEW information about the case within 72 hours.

See USA Today's Prosecutor to reveal new information in Trayvon Martin probe.

See MSNBC's Florida prosecutor to release new information in Martin shooting.

I assumed that this was in advance of the decision to prosecute or not prosecute, in order to provide new context on the Special Prosecutor's decision.

So, here we are today with the decision to prosecute Zimmerman for 2nd degree murder, but where is the promised new information that supports that decision?

I'm waiting...

-PJ

31 posted on 04/12/2012 3:01:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Female Spawn of Nifong.


32 posted on 04/12/2012 3:02:07 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Yo-Yo

They probably wont change the venue. They’ll bring in a jury from elsewhere like the Anthony trial. Who the hell would want to host this fiasco? The city would be trashed.


33 posted on 04/12/2012 3:06:02 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: M1911A1

What’s even more strange to me is the idea that Zimmerman “confronted” Martin. Even if he did, he was well within his legal rights to say “hey, who are you? What are you doing here?” That wouldn’t give Martin the right to punch him in the face.

Even if Zimmerman grabbed Martin’s arm, there is principle of proportional response, and grabbing somebody’s arm does not give them the right to punch you in the face, jump on top of you and bang your head against the pavement. And it doesn’t eliminate your right to self-defense.

It seems to me that they may allege Zimmerman confronted Martin while brandishing or “flashing” his gun, which would (I’d think) make Martin’s actions in starting a fight justifiable self-defense.

What I don’t understand is that even if that is what happened, I can’t see any conceivable way it could be provable.

It’s not even “he said, she said;” it’s “he said, she imagines.”


34 posted on 04/12/2012 3:09:25 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PuzzledInTX

But this distraction has the potential to run for months. I didn’t even hear about the case until after the Reverend Al was through with Whitney’s funeral. Now it’s all I hear. And it has the potential to go BOOM!


35 posted on 04/12/2012 3:09:41 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gopcharger

Demographics from 2010 census:
Seminole county:
66% white
10% Black
17% Hispanic
Sanford (which is in Seminole County):
57.3% White
30.5% Black
20% Hispanic

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/1263650.html


36 posted on 04/12/2012 3:11:22 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Carl Vehse; mickie
"Here's the court where Zimmerman will be tried".

Arf, arf....

Leni

37 posted on 04/12/2012 3:15:04 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Navy Patriot

If I had any Photoshop skill, I’d do one of 12 kangaroos listening to the lawyers...


38 posted on 04/12/2012 3:17:38 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: gzzimlich
Actually, almost all informations as felony warrants are called in Florida, read just like this. The prosecutor only shows incriminating evidence in order to make the arrest and process the arraignment. The prosecutor will NEVER include exculpatory information (information beneficial to the defendant).
Unfortunately I do see this going to trial. The evidence hearing will only determine if the evidence was legally obtained.
That being said, the preliminary hearing is the only chance to stop this charade. There the evidence is challenged by the defense and exculpatory evidence will be admitted at this phase. Understand that we are still not at the innocent/guilty phase. The prosecutor will present the evidence suggesting guilt and the defense will challenge it. I do not know if they defense can or will produce their own evidence. They can produce their own challenging witnesses.
Basically, the pre lim requires the State to submit evidence indicating substantially more proof than probable cause but far less than guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If preponderance of evidence is 51%, probable cause would be 65% (more likely than not), pre lims may require 80% but guilt beyond a reasonable doubt 99%. Some may argue but the percentages but I am just trying to offer a visual.

39 posted on 04/12/2012 3:30:00 PM PDT by midcop402
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To: Mr Rogers
You might try to Photoshop the Prosecutrix's face on this image, she'd look great in that neat headdress.


40 posted on 04/12/2012 3:33:37 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: noexcuses
Meanwhile I just received a CNN breaking news alert text which says: Florida investigators say in an affidavit that George Zimmerman profiled, confronted, then fatally shot Trayvon Martin. I hope George Zimmerman ends up OWNING CNN!!!

That's not going to happen, at least not for the reasons that you cite. What part of the statement is false? Zimmerman no doubt did profile Martin? So what? Zimmerman is not a LEO that may be prohibited by some stupid law from profiling. If we're honest with ourselves, then we will admit that we all profile, and by "all" I mean black people as well. We don't know for sure what happened between Zimmerman's 911 call and Martin's attempt to kill Zimmerman. There was obviously a confrontation and we'll have to wait for the evidence to determine who initiated the confrontation. And Zimmerman fatally shot Martin. So what did CNN say that is false?

Does anyone know why a special prosecutor has been appointed? Is it because the regular prosecute knows the case is s loser and doesn't want to prosecute at the risk of an acquittal that will ruin his reputation? Or does Zimmerman have family that works for the court system?

Here's my prediction: Jury's are much smarter than most Freepers seem to give them credit for. 99% of the time they listen to the evidence and they try to make the right decision. In the absence of an incriminating autopsy or a previously undisclosed video or audio, even an inexperienced public defender should get Zimmerman off in less than an hour of jury deliberation. What is really going on is that a special prosecutor has been appointed with specific instructions from inside the beltway to prosecute, regardless of what the evidence may show, in order to appease the left and postpone the inevitable riots until after the election. The case will go to trial early next year and when riots break out after Zimmerman's acquittal, Obama with the help of the MSM will fan the flames to further his communist revolution if he is still in power, and if Romney is the POTUS, then the MSM will blame Romney for failing to prevent the riots.

41 posted on 04/12/2012 3:35:47 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Mr Rogers

The lefties are putting the powder into the keg which will explode when Zimmerman walks. The rabble would love to have another opportunity to “justify” riots and murder. If they had a backbone and upheld the decision of the police not to charge Zimmerman, this would have faded away in a couple of weeks. By appeasing the racial thugs who are generating this crisis, they’re creating the conditions for another Rodney King inspired bloodbath.


42 posted on 04/12/2012 3:39:10 PM PDT by littleharbour
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To: gopcharger
Zimmerman Prosecutor Affidavit contains NOTHING NEW!

Yes it does.
I didn't have the opportunity to keep track, but in her long, platitude-laced speech she must have mention "Travon" at least ten times; Zimmmerman, perhaps once.

In none of the thousands of black on white murder trials, I can't recall a single similar puzzler.

PC and intimidation writ large.

43 posted on 04/12/2012 3:50:42 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: gopcharger

Zimmerman will walk, but not until he has accrued tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. After he walks, I would sue the prosecutor for malicious prosecution.


44 posted on 04/12/2012 3:50:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I hope he walks...but this is Florida. Remember how everyone was sure Casey Anthony would be convicted?


45 posted on 04/12/2012 4:51:15 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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