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Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say

Posted on 04/14/2012 9:52:22 AM PDT by CottShop

Haven't seen htis posted yet- it seems to be all over htel iberal news lately, but no mention of it here on FR- Just want to get people's reaction to this and their thoughts- Here's the link as I'm not sure how much of hte article can be posted- but basically it has 2 'experts' on voice annalysis that declare that hte voice is not George Zimmerman's voice

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-911-20120331_1_voice-identification-expert-reasonable-scientific-certainty


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1 posted on 04/14/2012 9:52:26 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: CottShop

sorry abotu htel ink- http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-31/news/os-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-911-20120331_1_voice-identification-expert-reasonable-scientific-certainty


2 posted on 04/14/2012 9:54:05 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

see what comes out in the trial.....unnamed “experts” are good at altering photo’s too....and police tapes as we know


3 posted on 04/14/2012 9:55:12 AM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: CottShop

There is no sample of Trayvon’s voice and the last expert said there is about half a chance it was George.

Also there is the issue that this is a cell phone at a distance carrying the cries. So this is imperfect.

Also, the witness who saw most of this off his patio said it was George at the bottom getting slammed that was crying for help.

There was no evidense of anything on Trayvon minus the gun shot.
There is a broken nose, lacerations and so forth on Zimmerman.
Trayvon was on top, not the defense IMO.


4 posted on 04/14/2012 9:56:20 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: CottShop
Trayvon Martin shooting:

A battle between "guilty until proven innocent" and "Innocent until proven guilty" brought on by the brain dead and promoted by the MSM.

5 posted on 04/14/2012 9:57:36 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: CottShop

Wagist.com debunked this.

One of the experts used his own new software tested by the same accreditation mill that certified him.


6 posted on 04/14/2012 9:58:06 AM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: CottShop

What about a lie detector test? If it’s good enough for Jerry Springer...

/sarcasm...sorta


7 posted on 04/14/2012 9:58:10 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: CottShop

My reaction is this.

Ho

Hum

Its yesterdays news, its over. It was self defense.

Put a cone of silence over the whole thing and a box of socks in the mouths complaining, they won’t let it go because its just an opportunity to inflame riots.

Obama wants continuation.

Lets deny Obama this opportunity.


8 posted on 04/14/2012 10:01:16 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: CottShop

This whole thing on Zimmerman should be dropped. He was tried and convicted in the media. Enough already.


9 posted on 04/14/2012 10:03:20 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: CottShop

This has been covered, the “experts” are self appointed.


10 posted on 04/14/2012 10:03:28 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: CottShop

These days, most “experts” are usually FOS. NASA’s James Hansen is an “expert”.


11 posted on 04/14/2012 10:05:43 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare is like a stool sample. You have to pass it to find out what's in it.)
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To: CottShop
...but no mention of it here on FR...
Wrong! Been there done that and it's BS.
@Voice forensics experts cast doubt on Sentinel analysis of Trayvon Martin 911 tape

voice analysis "Tom Owen" zimmerman site:freerepublic.com Orlando Sentinel

12 posted on 04/14/2012 10:07:17 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Eye of Unk

[[Its yesterdays news, its over. It was self defense.]]

Thast’s true, it was self defensse, however the left doesn’t give a crap abotu hte facts, so this is not over and we won’t be able to silence it- I’m just wondering how badly zimmerman is goign to get railroaded, and when I ran acoss thsi article and saw that it was beign plastered all over the leftist news sites and bliogs, as though it was a great ‘victory’ for them (read, great injustice to those who aren’t black), It worried me that such injustice coukld be perpetrated agaisnt law abiding citizens- and if htey are goign to use ‘tools’ liek htis voice annalysis software, then we’re all in real trouble in my opinion in the near future as voices can fluctuate greatly when under stress, and not even resemble a person’s every day voice, so therefore, ‘experts’ can claim whatever supports hteir case or bias-

just wanted to know what everyoen else thoguth of hte matter and how much of an impact it might have o nthe ‘trial’


13 posted on 04/14/2012 10:07:34 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: philman_36

Thanks P{hilman- I searched several key words and didn’t find those- thansk for posting htem- I’ll check them out


14 posted on 04/14/2012 10:08:31 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: A CA Guy

Yep. What it boils down to is that this “expert” testimony would have some value if there were not witnesses. And that is scary, considering that witness testimony makes it, A) irrelevant and B) dead wrong.


15 posted on 04/14/2012 10:10:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: CottShop

Too bad for these pseudo experts that a witness on the scene says it was Zimmerman.


16 posted on 04/14/2012 10:12:43 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SkyDancer

[[This whole thing on Zimmerman should be dropped.]]

you’re right, it ‘should be’ dropped, however, it’s never goign to be dropped by the black comunity, and we’re facign a trial that wil laffect all of us because we are seeign a law enforcement system buckle under to vigilanteeism instead of upholding hte actual law- and that will affect all of us as in hte future, if hte black comunity succeeds in railroading justice for hte sake of their racism-

[[Enough already.]]

Well, you may be tired of it, but as I said- this case will hasve an affect on how future cases are handled, and hopefully you or i won’t be the subject of an injust judicial system- Justice uis under attack, and burying our heads and wishign it will just go away isn’t helpign matters any


17 posted on 04/14/2012 10:13:43 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Supposedly Trayvon’s father say it isn’t Trayvon’s voice. I haven’t seen the article that quotes him but I’m sure some FReeper can find it and post it here.


18 posted on 04/14/2012 10:14:39 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: CottShop

Old WRONG news....it has been confirmed that it’s Jorge screening by witnesses who SAW and Heard him


19 posted on 04/14/2012 10:15:23 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: CottShop

I would really love to make a comment but almost anything said will be taken out of context defending the castle doctrine.

Bottom line is this, your life will be in danger, you shall defend your life but be aware the laws and the politics after may take your life away. we can and shall place the blame in the highest position of America.

Let us learn a lesson in that, one man, the wrong man has stood by and encouraged this, refuses to defuse it. Until he is removed we face a situation of the most nefarious.

Makes me think of how wars were fought with sailing ships, they stopped the ship by shooting the sails out.

As far as how to look at all of this I say just walk away.


20 posted on 04/14/2012 10:17:07 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: CottShop

There is already a male witness that saw and heard Zimmerman screaming for help. Zimmerman screamed at the witness for help and screamed at him to go call 911 (do a Google search). Quit posting that libtartd fantasy nonsense.


21 posted on 04/14/2012 10:18:22 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Red Steel

Rem ember htough- this is beign tried in florida, a state where a mom can duct tape her drugged child’s mouth so she won’t cry too loud, stuff her in a trunk of a car, go in to an apartment, screw a guy then come out to find her child dead, and get off scott free-


22 posted on 04/14/2012 10:18:49 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Media experts were also telling us that Zimmerman was a 250 pound white guy who shot a young black high school football player.

The outright lies and mis-information from the media would make Goebbels proud.


23 posted on 04/14/2012 10:20:36 AM PDT by digger48
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To: avacado

Fien , thank you for that info- I wasn’t aware of htsoe facts- and ther’s no need to be rude- I simply posted it because I was cocnerned that justice was being railroaded, and saw that thel eft seemd to be celebrating the fact that ‘
experts’ had weighed in the case and I hadn;t sseen anythign reported on FR abotu the issue- Again- no need for the rudeness


24 posted on 04/14/2012 10:21:12 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Unless they have exemplars of the exact phrases used it’s not admissible in court either Federal or Florida (they have different standards) and it’s not just 1 exemplar. Even the CNN expert (who had some new voice analysis software to sell which CNN didn’t disclose) website said that. They don’t have exemplars of either party screaming. It could be either of them or someone else. The person in the Orlando Sentinel is the same person that CNN used.

The exemplars have to be the exact same words and approximately the same vocal style since your voice changes as your emotions or style change. If you’re yelling the rhythm, pitch and a few other things change over your normal speaking voice. If your looking at screams the party to be matched to the sample has to scream in a simlar manner to the person on the sample. That’s why the court has some very strict standards on what’s admissible. The technology of this guys software hasn’t been accepted in any court from what I understand.


25 posted on 04/14/2012 10:21:15 AM PDT by airedale
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To: Red Steel

and initial reports had Martins father saying it was not his sons voice in that recording.


26 posted on 04/14/2012 10:21:50 AM PDT by digger48
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To: CottShop
Quacks.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/about-those-audio-forsenic-experts

27 posted on 04/14/2012 10:23:32 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Eye of Unk

[[Let us learn a lesson in that, one man, the wrong man has stood by and encouraged this, refuses to defuse it. Until he is removed we face a situation of the most nefarious.]]

I absolutely aggree with that and have been saying that for awhile now- our president could have very easily diffused this whole situation by making it VERY clear to hte public that he would not stand by while vigilantees ran the show, yet he instead gave his wink and nod of approval at hte injustice and lies, and now refuses to be a leader i nthe situation, pretendign to ‘take hte high ground’ by ‘staying out of hte fray’- He’s so friggin two faced it aitn even funny anymore

[[As far as how to look at all of this I say just walk away.
]]

If this injustice takes place now, Next tiem it might be you or I facign such blatant injustice-


28 posted on 04/14/2012 10:25:08 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: digger48

So Martin is on top of Zimmerman beating him and Martin’s yelling for help? What, he got tired and needed someone to step in and help him kick Zimmerman’s ass some more?


29 posted on 04/14/2012 10:25:16 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: CottShop
sorry abotu htel ink

Interesting display of words.

30 posted on 04/14/2012 10:27:23 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: digger48

Yeah I had read that- Has he now come out and changed his story too liek hte mother did abotu hte shooting being an accident do you know? I’m sure we’ll be hearing hte father has changed his story abotu hte voice beign his son’s in the near future as Al Sharpton and the black panthers threaten him to do so-


31 posted on 04/14/2012 10:27:23 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: The Wizard

Thanks wizard, that givesw me a little more peace abotu hte situauation- A good lawyer will be able to argue that the software is mistaken because we have a witness that saw George calling for help


32 posted on 04/14/2012 10:29:32 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Red Steel

Pray for the witnesses safety.


33 posted on 04/14/2012 10:29:50 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

I’m not dyslexic, just my typing finger is


34 posted on 04/14/2012 10:30:44 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

lol

Actuall y it’s a smart moove.


35 posted on 04/14/2012 10:33:23 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: airedale

[[The exemplars have to be the exact same words and approximately the same vocal style since your voice changes as your emotions or style change.]]

That’s what I was wodnering, because handwriting experts need examples of letters in order to compare to- I would imagine this won’t even be allowed in as evidence- hopefulyl anyways- but I do fear the left wil lstill use these ‘experts’ to flame the fire of racial divide


36 posted on 04/14/2012 10:34:25 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

There’s a different way of looking at the Casey Anthony case vs. the Zimmerman case. The circumstantial evidence against Anthony was strong while the evidence against Zimmerman is virtually non-existent or can be easily countered by the Zimmerman defensive. The evidence bar to find a defendant guilty in the state of Florida is set very high where Florida would need a miracle or some new “smoking gun” evidence to appear for a jury to find him guilty of murder. But juries are made up of disparate people who do not think the same rightly or wrongly. For the state of Florida to win this one, they’d want to pick a jury of wrongheaded people.


37 posted on 04/14/2012 10:42:16 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: umgud

[[So Martin is on top of Zimmerman beating him and Martin’s yelling for help? What, he got tired and needed someone to step in and help him kick Zimmerman’s ass some more?]]

Good point, however, the defense most likely is goign to argue that during hte altercation, george got the gun out and that’s when martin begane screaming- this is hte only thing they’ve got to go on- they are goign to make it seem like martin was screamign and begging for his life but zimmerman waqs so hell bent on murdering him that he showed no mercy and shot him as the kid wasd tryign to ‘give up’

They are gouign to try to make george look liek a monster- and the voice o nte the phone call is probably goign to be key evidence i nthe caswe I would imagine- however, the only hope for justice is that a jury beleives the witness who saw george screamign for help- however, remember, I don’;t think george can get a fair and balanced jury-

This hwole case stinks to high heaven thanks to raicebaiters like sharpton and jackson and the black panthers, and our president has sat back noddign his head with a smirk of approval at hte injustice


38 posted on 04/14/2012 10:42:16 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

He is obviosly on a phone. They are not the easiest to write on...


39 posted on 04/14/2012 10:43:29 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: Red Steel

[[while the evidence against Zimmerman is virtually non-existent or can be easily countered by the Zimmerman defensive.]]

I hope you’er right- I wanna have faith in the justice system, but after trials liek anthony, oj, robert blake etc etc etc, I have my doubts

[[For the state of Florida to win this one, they’d want to pick a jury of wrongheaded people.]]

or a jury scared for hteir lives if they vote to aquit george


40 posted on 04/14/2012 10:44:48 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

I was being a bit sarcastic. All crimes of White against Black are tried and convicted in the media. It’s all that “Fake but accurate” stuff.


41 posted on 04/14/2012 11:02:34 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: CottShop

“a state where a mom can duct tape her drugged child’s mouth so she won’t cry too loud, stuff her in a trunk of a car, go in to an apartment, screw a guy then come out to find her child dead, and get off scott free-”

Yes, she can get off scott free, if the prosecution can’t produce enoguh evidence to prove what you allege. Which ought to be good news for Zimmerman, because it’s pretty clear there’s no evidence in the world to pin murder 2 on him.


42 posted on 04/14/2012 11:09:25 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: digger48

Interesting that the judge didn’t recognize George Zimmerman who was standing right before him even though he had presumably seen photos and descriptions by the media.

Granted, it’s been a month of hell for GZ and that might have taken a toll, but all the comments about his “white” “pudgy” or “hefty” body look pretty silly now that we’ve seen him from his appearance in court.

I wonder if any of us would recognize Trayvon if we saw photos of him right before he died.

To those of us who believe justice is blind, Obama’s comment about “If I had a son he would look like Trayvon” was too superficial to mean much, but for those who look only at appearances and not at actual facts, the sight of George Zimmerman should be very, very disturbing. If Sonia Sotomayor had a son, he would look like George Zimmerman...


43 posted on 04/14/2012 11:10:13 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: CottShop

The father’s lawyer claims he never told police that the voice was not his son, but only that the recording wasn’t clear enough for him to know if it was his son.

Funny though, it was clear enough for the Zimmerman family to know right away that it was George, if I’m understanding this correctly. I’m not sure when they were allowed to hear the audio...


44 posted on 04/14/2012 11:15:24 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: CottShop

Hmmm.... “experts” or eyewitnesses. Who to believe??


45 posted on 04/14/2012 11:17:35 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: CottShop

“I wanna have faith in the justice system, but after trials liek anthony, oj, robert blake etc etc etc, I have my doubts”

Why should those cases make you dubious? They all got off. Some of them—OJ—with a heck of a lot more evidence against them than Zimmerman. I’m not that familiar with Blake’s, but they didn’t have much on Anthony. The MSM’s vendetta only made it seem that way, much like the way it seems they’ve taken a blood oath against Zim.


46 posted on 04/14/2012 11:19:32 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: CottShop

It doesn’t make sense for somebody to scream for dear life for over a minute if they are trying to convince somebody not to shoot them. Either the person would shoot them just to shut them up and then run away as fast as possible, or they would run away without shooting them at all. But nobody would stand around threatening somebody with a gun while the person screamed for over a minute and anybody in the world could come and see what was going on - or look from their windows, as the 911 callers did.

Furthermore, it would make no sense whatsoever for GZ to brazenly threaten TM at gunpoint after GZ had already called the cops to come and knew they would be there any minute.

And it makes no sense for GZ to have the injuries he had in that case either.

The whole story that the TM people are trying to claim makes no sense with the evidence.


47 posted on 04/14/2012 11:20:41 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Bogey78O

The expert created the software he used which he sells for about 5 thousand bucks. And the only one to test it was himself- he wrote a four hundred page unpublished paper on it. And the agency that accredits him was created by him and his daughter-and it’s run out of a building that coincidentally houses five or six other accrediting agencies.


48 posted on 04/14/2012 11:22:53 AM PDT by Krankor
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To: Krankor

LoL.


49 posted on 04/14/2012 11:25:39 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: CottShop

Whta hte hlel si wrogn wiht yuor keybroda? Aer yuo doign thta no purpoes?


50 posted on 04/14/2012 11:38:51 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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