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Ford's electric car battery pack costs $12,000-$15,000
Fox News ^ | April 19, 2012

Posted on 04/19/2012 11:39:05 AM PDT by jazusamo

One of the auto industry's most closely guarded secrets, the enormous cost of batteries for electric cars, has spilled out.

Speaking at a forum on green technology, Ford Motor Co. CEO Alan Mulally indicated battery packs for the company's Focus electric car costs between $12,000 and $15,000 apiece.

"When you move into an all-electric vehicle, the battery size moves up to around 23 kilowatt hours, [and] it weighs around 600 to 700 pounds," Mulally said at Fortune magazine's Brainstorm Green conference in California.

"They're around $12,000 to $15,000 [a battery]" for a type of car that normally sells for about $22,000, he continued, referring to the price of a gasoline-powered Focus. "So, you can see why the economics are what they are."

Ford is currently promoting its $39,200 Focus EV at events around the country. It has a 23 kilowatt-hour battery pack. A Ford spokeswoman said Mulally's comments were designed to provide an indication of the car's battery costs.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: battery; carbattery; chevyvolt; electriccarbattery; fordescapehybrid; fordfocus; fordfusionhybrid; fordhybird; hybrid; lithiumion
Though the Ford Focus battery is larger than the Chevy Volt battery they compare percentage wise.

The Volt battery is 16 kWh and weighs 435 pounds and the published estimated cost is $8,000 to $10,000.

1 posted on 04/19/2012 11:39:19 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: alloysteel

fyi Ping.


2 posted on 04/19/2012 11:42:12 AM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

When this car is 5 or 6 years old, who in his right mind will want to sink $15000 into a 5 or 6 year old car to replace the battery?


3 posted on 04/19/2012 11:42:32 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Democrats and Commies


4 posted on 04/19/2012 11:43:43 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: BuffaloJack

Exactly, and who in their right mind would want to buy the car used.


5 posted on 04/19/2012 11:47:19 AM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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6 posted on 04/19/2012 11:47:59 AM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

~ $20/lb.


7 posted on 04/19/2012 11:48:28 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jazusamo

A Prius-driving friend told me @ 3 years ago that its replacement battery would be $10K+. Don’t know if the cost has gone up during that time. So far they haven’t needed a new battery.

They did, however, need some other part I think of as costing around $400, but cost them $1200 for the Prius. You’d have to do an awful lot of fuel-efficient driving to compensate for those costs.


8 posted on 04/19/2012 11:53:20 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: jazusamo
$15K for a device that holds the equivalent of a very few gallons of gasoline, is almost certain to burst into flames if pierced, is almost 50% powered by coal, takes several hours to recharge, loses much of its capacity in cold weather, can not produce cabin heat without losing driving range, loses its charge in storage...

That sounds like a great transportation energy solution <0.o>

9 posted on 04/19/2012 11:54:04 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: BuffaloJack

That’s where the Volt should beat the electric Focus. The Volt could continue to run on the gasoline engine, even when the battery needs replacing.

BTW, these batteries degrade a bit every day. Their range will drop a bit every year. Long before an EV battery is “worn out”; you’ll wish you could afford to replace it.


10 posted on 04/19/2012 11:57:15 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: jazusamo

“One of the auto industry’s most closely guarded secrets, the enormous cost of batteries for electric cars, has spilled out.”

Um....everyone and their dog already knew what the replacement costs are so....what’s the “secret” that spilled out?


11 posted on 04/19/2012 11:57:53 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: jazusamo

http://www.nascar.com/news/120416/ford-focus-electric-pace-car-richmond/index.html

A bunch of cautions and a full three GWC’s and we may see it die on the track. ;)


12 posted on 04/19/2012 11:59:36 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: jazusamo

As long as Ford is not trying to SELL this vehicle as an alternative to a $22,000 small sedan that gets maybe 40 MPG, I see no conflict in showing it around the country as a concept vehicle. But as of now, it would be neither economically feasible, nor offer any alternate appeal as compared to the typical battery-powered golf cart (some of which, I understand, are styled like a 1955 Thunderbird or a 1957 Chevrolet convertible).


13 posted on 04/19/2012 12:00:32 PM PDT by alloysteel (It is hard to get a man to understand, when his pay depends upon his not understanding something.)
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To: BuffaloJack; jazusamo

Bingo. Any article or study (e.g., every single one ever) of “yearly fuel savings” or “breakeven compared to a comparable gasoline-powered car” that doesn’t take this into account is a fraud.

BTW, in addition to this absolutely formula-wrecking, unavoidable cost, they never take “opportunity cost” into account — you could invest the difference between a gas car and a hybrid car, which always makes the hybrid’s “savings” less than the usual simple-minded calculation ever is.


14 posted on 04/19/2012 12:00:57 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: EDINVA

This is something that I haven’t read anything about regarding the Chevy Volt.

There are many other parts to an electric vehicle other than the battery and many of those parts are specifically for that vehicle, they are bound to be very expensive.


15 posted on 04/19/2012 12:02:05 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Roccus

Great publicity for them if it makes it around the track a few times. :-)


16 posted on 04/19/2012 12:05:49 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: alloysteel

Agreed.


17 posted on 04/19/2012 12:06:59 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Jack of all Trades

When the battery is depleted and it switches to gas there is the 600 - 700 lbs of dead weight in batteries and the weight of the useless electric motor(s)to haul around.


18 posted on 04/19/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: jazusamo

Rumor has it that there will be a second, identical pace car in the garage area..... just in case.


19 posted on 04/19/2012 12:14:06 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Red_Devil 232
When the battery is depleted and it switches to gas there is the 600 - 700 lbs of dead weight in batteries and the weight of the useless electric motor(s)to haul around.

Which is about the weight of four to five adults. When my car is loaded down my mileage plummets. The mileage estimates are done with one driver and no extra weight in the test vehicle.

20 posted on 04/19/2012 12:23:28 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: jazusamo

Let’s do some math based on those commants:

Cost of Focus with gas engine: $22,000
Cost of Battery: $12,000 to $15,000
(Let’s assume $15,000 and say that this number includes the extra electronics and such).

Price of car should be: $37,000
Price of car actually is: $39,200
Extra profit: $2,200.

Note as well, this was the price of an all-electric car as compared to a gas-powered car... in other words, Ford is also saving on the cost of the gas engine. I would guess that’s probably another $2000 in their favor.

[Ford is clearly counting on the tax subsidies: $2500 for Californians; $7500 Federally]


21 posted on 04/19/2012 12:25:47 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: jazusamo

Imagine what this trend will do to the automobile industry’s retail business model. Instead of a trade in allowance, they would have to charge a disposal fee and add it to the price of a new car.


22 posted on 04/19/2012 12:32:55 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Roccus
A bunch of cautions and a full three GWC’s and we may see it die on the track. ;)

Ha! Good point - in this instance, I bet it will be plugged in every second it's not in use... and the Focus actually does charge up in 4 hours... so it's probably good for around 100 miles on that track.

23 posted on 04/19/2012 12:32:55 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Roccus

I own a 2010 Fusion Hybrid. Bought it slightly used and have enjoyed it. You do not have t plug these vehicles into anything. The breaking system charges the battery. I have registered up to 46 mpgs. The car is solid, rides nice, and has a host of amenities. I actually want to trade my 2011 Honda CRV (which gets no where near the rating it stated on the sticker in mpgs) in on a new Escape Hybrid. As for the battery, I have the extended warranty so if anything goes wrong with it, it’s on Fords dime. Seriously, go and take a look at the hybrids, I have saved tons of money on gas, and it’s nice seeing a sedan that states you have “765 miles to empty”. I usually fill up every two weeks, before I was filling up twice a week. Big big difference.


24 posted on 04/19/2012 12:38:50 PM PDT by msfortyseven
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To: BuffaloJack

I can get a Die Hard at less than 1% of 15,000.


25 posted on 04/19/2012 12:39:27 PM PDT by dancusa (“The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” H.L Menkin)
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To: dancusa

A new gasoline engine can run between 3,500 and 5,000.


26 posted on 04/19/2012 12:43:48 PM PDT by dancusa (“The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” H.L Menkin)
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To: jazusamo

And in any of these high gas mileage automobiles—why have they not mentioned safety??????? If you drive one pull along side of and 18 wheeler you ar looking at the tire and rim.....if you get hit by a larger car-—you will have serious if not fatal injuries...course you could say its your time to go......


27 posted on 04/19/2012 12:44:09 PM PDT by rxtn41
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To: EDINVA
A Prius-driving friend told me @ 3 years ago that its replacement battery would be $10K+. Don’t know if the cost has gone up during that time. So far they haven’t needed a new battery.

New traction batteries for Prius were always around $3K new - and you could get them cheaper from damaged cars. Reports of Gen. II Priuses asking for a battery are extremely rare, on par with the usual rate of manufacturing defects in other components. Today $10K will buy you a 5-6 years old Prius.

They did, however, need some other part I think of as costing around $400, but cost them $1200 for the Prius.

This is actually normal for many Japanese cars. If you need a bolt or a bracket or a bumper you can have them made locally, out of pure gold, for less money. One of my coworkers, owner of some Japanese sports car, hit something in an underground parking and needed a new bumper with hardware. That, with labor, was around $4K. So on one hand parts are expensive; on the other hand, you probably won't need them :-)

28 posted on 04/19/2012 12:52:45 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: BuffaloJack

As one who used battery powered instrumentation for the past 40 to 50 years, it is obvious to me that we need a fundamental breakthru in battery technology, or a change in approach. How aboun a small nuclear generator?


29 posted on 04/19/2012 1:06:15 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

I want a Mr. Fusion too!


30 posted on 04/19/2012 1:38:26 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: jazusamo

The battery in Hyundai’s Sonata Hybrid is guaranteed for life.


31 posted on 04/19/2012 1:50:48 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: jazusamo
$15,000

That doesn't include dealer mark up, special shipping cost (delivery truck with full sized forklift), installation, and disposal/shipping cost of the old battery. When the battery needs to be replaced an electric automobile is essentially totaled. Econoboxes do not do well in accidents vs. SUVs and now there's a 700 pound mini-SUV pushing from the inside. The thin metal and squishy passengers between the two heavy masses have no chance.

32 posted on 04/19/2012 2:31:49 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Greysard

We had a Celica years ago, very little problem every. Mercifully, we didn’t get into replacement parts. On cost of Prius battery, just repeated what one owner told me, I will NEVER know.


33 posted on 04/19/2012 3:18:03 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: msfortyseven
The vehicle mentioned is NOT a hybrid, but a full electric vehicle....it needs the plug.
34 posted on 04/19/2012 4:51:13 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: alancarp

I’m thinkin’ there’s a reason Ford chose a 3/4 mile track and not The Glenn, Pocono, etc.
Imagine if they have to make laps to dry off the track....


35 posted on 04/19/2012 4:55:35 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: jazusamo

One little consideration about batteries in general, and very likely applying here: They wear out as they are charged and discharged. So even if they last as long as promised, the vehicle might be down to a range of 40 miles on a good day, and 20 miles on a bad day.

It’s no different than having your gas tank shrink over time, and starting with a very small tank at that!!


36 posted on 04/19/2012 6:28:40 PM PDT by BobL
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