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1 posted on 04/20/2012 5:10:51 PM PDT by Morgana
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I have been hearing a lot about this “anencephaly” in Brazil and other places near it. Exactly how common is it that they want abortion for it?


2 posted on 04/20/2012 5:12:23 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

Will God weep before he smites the human race?


3 posted on 04/20/2012 5:12:23 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Morgana

How Nazi of them.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 5:12:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Morgana
Brazilian doctors: disabled unborn babies will either be cut to pieces or torn apart with aspirator

Hell will be too nice a place for these animals.

5 posted on 04/20/2012 5:19:16 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Morgana

How can we point our fingers at them when we’ve been doing the same dance since 1973?


6 posted on 04/20/2012 5:28:20 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: Morgana

It’s just more abortion folks.....move along.


7 posted on 04/20/2012 5:31:41 PM PDT by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Morgana; lightman

“...babies suffering from the birth defect known as anencephaly aren’t “legally” alive...”

God might disagree. Just saying...


10 posted on 04/20/2012 5:41:04 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Morgana

My second son was born with Trisomy 18 and did not live for more than a few minutes after his birth. He had some physical defects but even so we wanted to give him as much life as we could and have an opportunity to see him and say goodbye to him. The doctors highly encouraged us to abort him and move on but it is interesting that afterwards one of the doctors came up to us and said that he thought we were wrong but after seeing what happened that he had changed his mind.

Once you start treating the most vulnerable as disposable trash, its not too long before that kind of treatment is expanded to more and more categories of people. The Germans did that prior to WWII and now it’s starting all over again with the rest of the world.


11 posted on 04/20/2012 5:48:13 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Morgana

anencephaly is alas “common”: one paper says it’s three cases in 1000 births, but that ignores most of these kids miscarry early...the rate has gone down since it was noticed that taking folic acid (a vitamin) lowers the rate of the disease.

I’ve delivered/cared for about a dozen of these, most born small or died at birth...

When you diagnose a case, often the docs suggest “abortion”, since it is a “non viable” condition: the kid is stillborn or dies at the time of birth.

As a Catholic, usually we let them deliver when mom goes into labor, baptize them, and give them comfort care (keep them warm and feed them) but usually they die since their brain is missing and the hole in the head gets infected and they die. We had one in our NICU when I was a student, and we played with him and fed him (he lived two weeks).

Sometimes you have to induce early labor for the mom’s health: many cases are associated with “polyhydramnos”, a huge amount of amniotic fluid, so a mom with a 2 pound kid will look 12 months pregnant and have trouble breathing.
If the mom is having a lot of trouble breathing, and the child is more than 28 weeks, I would probably induce labor or do a C section for the mom’s sake: The kid will die of his disease, but not from the delivery.

Some docs will do this for the emotional sake of the mom; ethically that is a bit borderline.

However, to do an abortion is stupid. The fetal parts are hard by the time you find out, and cutting the kid apart to abort him is more dangerous than letting the woman go into regular labor. As for curettage, well, you can’t diagnose it that early.

Indeed, it’s not always an “easy” diagnosis: sometimes other problems that are rarer but can result in a child who lives for years are diagnosed as anencephaly. Some cases in the literature that claim anencephalic babies lived for years are these cases.

and ironically, these children do not meet the criteria for brain death; they have the lower brain intact. That is why they aren’t really used as organ donors (although some ‘ethicists” tried to do it awhile back, too many folks objected).


18 posted on 04/21/2012 1:41:45 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: Morgana

We have been told that Brazil is a “civilized” country!

What kind of barbarians murder their children like this?

Have the Muslims taken over Brazil while no one noticed?

This is hideous.


19 posted on 04/21/2012 2:25:21 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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