Posted on 04/20/2012 9:12:27 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
The GOP Establishment and Elites attack, mock, sabotage, set them up and join in with the liberals in taking down conservatives and true conservative candidates but each and every time the Establishment knows that when push comes to serve -- the conservatives wont leave the reservation and will support them when they come calling every time. They keep telling them that "you got nowhere to go, you aint leaving"
The conservatives like those women, keep believing that one day things are going to get better. That next time they will be truly appreciated, that next time the husband is going to rally around her, that next time they are going to be more assertive than ever before and the husband will have a new found sense of respect and will "acquiesce" to them
Conservatives fail to see their current circumstances...
>>...With friends like you, we need no enemies...<<
The very same could be said of you and yours who seem a bit too cozy with turning your back on the fight to go off to some other ill-defined skirmish (protest-vote or whatever) that no-one else will even notice. And I don’t care what/who you think I may be “rewarding” — I have only one goal that I care about and that’s getting rid of Obama. It really is just that simple. If you are so emotionally disgusted & angry with the process that it impedes your logic and reasoning, I can’t help you with that. If I could I would, but I can’t so I won’t.
All I know is that whoever the GOP candidate is, he will be far easier to influence with (hopefully) Republican majorities (or near majorities) in congress. We know for a fact, as Obama has demonstrated in word & deed, that he will not be swayed one iota by congress. I don’t care *who* the gop candidate is, until a better viable option comes along, I would rather take my chances with a gop presidency checked by a gop congress, than a 4-year lame-duck Obama presidency that fully and completely ignores congress, be it gop or dem.
I chose Newt in the primary. That was my chance to have a say in the process. Now, I’ll choose to keep doing whatever I can with whatever GOP candidate I have - because there is no other viable choice and I refuse to abandon the fight. Give me another *viable* option right of center and I’ll likely take it. But when the *only* other viable choice at this point is a 4-yr, far-left, lame-duck Obama presidency, I can’t see how you would knowingly and willingly allow that to happen without doing whatever you can reasonably do to fight it. Clearly, our opinions vary.
Between Romney and Obozo, there is NO fight. At best, it is Obozo vs. Obozo in white face. If Romney were elected, it is quite likely to mean the end of the Republican Party as a vehicle for conservatism. That would mean having to slog through the morass to create a new and actually conservative party to destroy the castrated GOP and defeat the Demonrats simultaneously. Life is only so long. It is easier to keep Romney from prevailing and then restore the GOP to its base. The nation is probably destroyed in either event but can be restored by a non-Romney GOP.
This enemy of yours was a Reagan State Chair when he challenged Gerald Ford the proto-Romney of 1976. It turned out that it was better that Carter was elected because Carter's utter ineptude (so reminiscent of Obozo) paved the way for two landslide elections of Ronaldus Maximus.
My presidential votes have gone to each and every GOP candidate since the nomination of Richard Nixon in 1968. Few of those votes were worth casting (1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 200 and 2004). In retrospect, it is hard to justify not voting for Wallace in 1968, for Ford in 1976, or for Bush the Elder in 1992 or Dole or McCain. Bush the Younger was blessed with opponents who were really worth voting against and Bush the Younger was willing to break with his daddy's Wall Street foreign policy. I have had it with pragmatic voting for the GOP. That's all over now. If Romney wants my vote and the vote of others like-minded, he is really going to have to work for it as are his marionettes.
You say that you "have only one goal that (you) care about and that is getting rid of Obama." That betrays a poverty of imagination and a poverty of commitment and, if you believe that Congressional or Senatorial Republicans will be able to restrain the Mittwit as POTUS, you are possessed by a touching naivete.
Let's see. Who are those GOP pillars of Congressional strength that you will be depending upon to keep Mittens honest for the very first time in his self-centered money-obsessive life? Senators like: Lisa Murkowski, LAMAR!!! Alexander, Robert Corker, Susan Collins, Richard Lugar, Nancyboy Kirk, Orrin Hatch, David Dewhurst, Lindsay Graham, Saxby Chambliss, Johnny Isakson, Thad Cochran, John McCain, John Cornyn, Scott Brown, etc. That is just fifteen whores that I have named to go with the remaining Demonrat Senators. There are more. When those "Republicans" defect to the enemy, just how will Slick Willard feel or be restrained? They will be giving him cover to vote his leftist prejudices. Maybe we can depend on those giants of House leadership to hold Romney in line: Weepy John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Kevin McCarthy and the rest of the whores who cannot bring themselves to cut off further increases in Obozo's election year allowance by refusing to raise the debt limit? If you know anything whatsoever about politics, you will know better.
A vote for Tom Hoefling (FReeper Eternal Vigilance) is a vote for Tom Hoefling. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obozo in GOP drag.
The GOP is essentially a monarchist party which marches in lockstep behind any GOP POTUS. There would be no rebellion in the ranks on Capitol Hill. No actual Republican could be nominated for POTUS until 2020, if ever. Thanks but no thanks. You cannot see why because you intentionally blind yourself to reality. I refuse to do that. I won't be alone. One good result if Obozo defeats Romney is that the GOP will be recoverable. Another will probably be that Romney and his obscene financiers and all the Muffies and Skippers and their well-padded trust funds will be reduced, hopefully enough to prevent any re-run of this year's despicable primary victory by lying money and lying money alone in the GOP.
There are limits to the resources of even Romney's unprincipled Wall Street whores.
“And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for the second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering.”
— Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Samuel Kercheval, Monticello, July 12, 1816
Not true.
We did not vote for Ford. We did not vote to reelect Bush I. We did not vote for Dole. We did not vote for McCain, even with Sarah Palin as bait.
AND WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY.
This article is bogus.
>>...It is easier to keep Romney from prevailing and then restore the GOP to its base...<<
All the RINOs in congress and all the defects of the GOP organization will not magically disappear if Obama is re-elected. You are going to be every bit as angry & disappointed the day after the election as you are now. If not more so. You accuse “poverty of imagination and a poverty of commitment” because I don’t agree with and won’t buy into your farcical, hollywood-esque drama-play where Obama is re-elected and some white knight swoops in after the fact to bring in a new age of restored conservatism -or- Romney is elected and the world ends as we know it. Then you offer no viable alternative but to urge me to knowingly and willingly waste my vote on an off-the-radar candidate that will result in a statistical +1 for Obama.
Well you are doing a crap job of selling it. I’ll give you the next four entire *years* just to see if you can get your option on the radar, much less present the slightest challenge at all to the dominant two-party system we have.
All unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky aspirations aside, there are only going to be two viable candidates in this election: Obama and whoever the GOP runs. If you want to change anything, your next presidential opportunity is 2016. Show us what you can do.
What I can do is recognize that the election of the likes of Romney will make a successful run by an actual conservative, an actual Republican, an actual patriot, an actual candidate who will not sell out on each and every issue of actual importance to conservatives, an actual POTUS who can rally Republicans, conservatives, Reagan Democrats and genuine independents to the cause of restoring and preserving Western Civilization in this nation as opposed to obsessing on paying off his rich friends and bailing out his incompetent Wall Street boodlers and peers, will not occur until at least 2016. In the event that Romney loses now, or in the more difficult event that he can be successfully forced out in just four years, then conservatives (actual conservatives) can succeed in 2016. If Romney is nominated and re-nominated in 2016, the earliest victory would be in 2020 and only if conservatives can convince the public that Romney's manifest liberal failures are NOT the responsibility of whatever party will by then be the actual opposition party to the Demonrats. Neither 2016 nor 2020 look promising but, from the perspective of the disaster that was Gerald Ford's nomination in 1976, neither did 1980 look promising. No candidate who ran this year is an analogy to Reagan's run in 1976 which was necessary to his 1980 landslide over the worthless Carter (Obozo I) and to the defeat of a net of 12 radical Demonrats (possibly excepting Talmadge) in the US Senate of the time as well as of Jacob Javits. George McGovern, Gaylord Nelson, Herman Talmadge, Robert Morgan, Frank Church, Birch Bayh, snd John Durkin, all defeated that year in the general.
Such an election in 2016 will be possible IF and only if the above-described actually conservative folks can settle long in advance on ONE and only ONE extremely capable candidate, burning with a true raging flame and dedicated above all to the babies, to gun rights, to preserving one man and one woman as the one and only form of marriage to be recognized in our nation now and forever, cutting taxes not on the greedy Wall Street pigs who have created the economic disaster and tragedy that Obozo gladly perpetuates (with their heavy financial support just as they supported Clinton twice and just as they supported Romney in this year's primaries) but on ordinary Americans, to restoring the jobs of those who fought our wars and who would work with their hands for a living, to preserving the rights of the Catholic Church to which I belong and every other faith and church in this country to which other folks of good will and good faith belong and which are consistent with Natural Law and Western Civilization, and to ruthlessly lancing every infectious pus pocket of special interest big shot corruption regardless of party identification, organize as conservatives have never organized before.
Such a 2016 candidate should have a demonstrated capability and track record for both good humor and also for actually fighting and verbally destroying the enemy within and without the GOP, to chase the corrupt money changers from the temple of our party, to diplomatically support similarly committed and principled candidates in Senate, House and Governorship primaries to take the party back from the slimy degenerate liberals who would dominate it under Romney, to hold Romney relentlessly to conservative GOP principles for each and every moment that his lavishly special interest funded despicable campaign of lies, slanders and libels against each and every decent GOP opponent enabled him to have, NEVER to forget that campaign and NEVER to fail to hold it against Romney and his supporters.
Likewise, such a movement must seek to hold each and every "GOP" slimeball and Elitocrat in GOP drag in the Senate such as LAMAR!!! Alexander, Bob Corker, Lindsay Graham, Lisa Murkowski, Mark "Nancyboy" Kirk, Scott Brown, John Cornyn, John McCain, Thad Cochrane, Susan Collins, Richard Lugar, Saxby Chambliss, John Isakson, and any others like them including probably thw modern day spineless Orrin Hatch, to actual conservative Republican standards and not to sell out their constituents' interests to satisfy Romneyism or to give in-house GOP aid and comfort to Romneyism in any way inconsistent with conservatism.
I urge you to vote your conscience. Either you have one worth respecting or you do not. To remind you in your capacity as wannabe mushball posing as conservative, character is how you behave when no one is watching (as in the voting booth). Either you have it or you don't. You cannot depend on blaming others if you don't measure up. That lack of character is what we have in the White House now and it is what we will have in the White House if Obozo is defeated by the Massachusetts mushball and serial liar. I am not ready to sell my country down the river yet by voting for either of them. If you are willing to vote for the Mittwit and he succeeds in buying the White House and its power with his relentless well-funded lies, then prepare to face responsibility for his every crime and moral deviation and moral abdication of responsibility in office. Just remember not to dare blame actual conservatives or actual Republicans or actual Americans who have understandably refused to support either of them for the near certain evils of the next four years.
You don't need advice from me as to how you should vote any more than I need your advice on that subject. Just bear in mind that, if you vote for Romney and therefore for the destruction of the GOP and of the republic, as between thee and me, there is not and never will be a "we."
As to you, it does not matter that you voted for Newt Gingrich in the primaries or for anyone else. Vote for Romney in the general election and you have defined yourself for the foreseeable future.
Anyone claiming to be a conservative who would sell out to Romney running as the Romney that conservatives well know him to be, need not be accused of a poverty of imagination and a poverty of commitment and, for that matter, of a poverty of principle, as each of those is patently obvious. No accusations are necessary. To vote for any old moneyed POS so long as he, she or it is a "Republican" POS invertebrate, is neither imaginative, nor evidence of commitment nor, to say the very least, evidence of conservative principle.
Understand that what elected Ronaldus Maximus was, in addition to his amiable and genial exterior and sense of humor and adherence to principle, a generation (my generation) of extremely angry but principled grass roots conservatives who despised the likes of Rockefeller, Ford, Nixon, Dole, Michel, Romney the Elder, Scranton, Ed Brooke, Jacob Javits, Charles Mathias, Robert Planned Barrenhood Packwood, Tom Kuchel, Lowell Weicker, and their ilk. We did not think much more of Bush the Elder.
No one thought we could defeat the GOP-E, much less elect a man derided as a second-rate B-movie actor to the White House. We did. I doubt that you were part of what was necessary to do that. It took backbone and character and a militant refusal to compromise with the evil that would use money to control the GOP and its policies. That's what we have done and what we can do and what we (none of those uses of we include you) must do. Maybe Mittens can get you a nice job on Wall Street since money, in his mind, can buy just about anything and anyone and you don't drive a very hard bargain.
The potential candidate exists and did not run this year. That candidate does not qualify as a "White Knight," but rather as a Lady. Thatcher did a pretty good job in socialist England. Sarah would do a very good job here. Other backup candidates need to be developed and a new conservative movement needs to be recruited, trained in ideology and in ground warfare tactics, mobilized and networked and to wage an internal GOP civil war like the one in the 1960s and 1970s and with a similar result.
Also, bear in mind, that the GOP Elite despised and abandoned Ronaldus Maximus through much of 1980 and he trailed in the polls until the Friday before the election when the decisive shift among those who became known as Reagan Democrats and independent voters began to show in the polls, the LSM media refused to report those polls from Saturday through election day, and Reagan administered his first definitive slaughter of national Demonrats including Carter and the Senatorial and Congressional Demonrats, carrying 44 states, including Taxachusetts and every state in New England not named Rhode Island, New York (coming close to carrying even New York City itself by massive support from Catholics and Orthodox Jews), New Jersey, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, Pennsylvania, California, and thirty more, losing only Georgia, Minnesota, Maryland, West Virginia, Rhode Island and Hawaii. In 1984, he beat Mondale in all but Minnesota where Reagan showed mercy by cancelling two full days of scheduled Minnesota campaigning on the Saturday and Sunday before election day.
I am doing a "crap job" of selling you on this vision? Who was selling? Part of building the necessary movement is excluding those afflicted by tunnel vision. That means you. If a candidate wants your vote, that doesn't mean I am seeking your vote for such a candidate. Whether you realize it or not, your reference to "the dominant two-party system we have," you concede, in effect, that the Demonrats and the Romneycans are simply two heads of the same evil beast. That leads to the inevitable conclusion that we are expected to choose between Obozo and Obozo Lite. I won't.
If Romney and his sycophants want conservative votes, he and they will have to do the selling. That is too demanding and doomed a job by far for any rational person. It is time for Governor Etch-a-Sketch to go back to being what we all know he is: anti-baby, anti-marriage, anti-gun, anti-worker, anti-American, etc., and the devoted love slave of moneyed leftist interests, and try to compete with Obozo for the votes of Obozo's base who are far closer to Romney than he is to conservatives and to the values and morals we actual conservatives hold dear.
My friend, I nominate that for Post Of The Year. I only know one other Freeper who can rant as well as that, and he owns the site.
If you haven’t already, please consider re-posting that as a stand alone thread. As many Freepers as possible ought to be given a chance to see it.
Bloody fantastic!
TLDR...
No longer interested in your illogical, self-defeating snake-oil unless it gives me a better idea how to defeat Obama and doesn’t urge throwing my vote away on some off-the-radar candidate. If defeating Obama on Nov 6, 2012 is not your goal, I’m not interested. Try insulting someone else into buying whatever it is that you’re doing such a poor job selling.
BTW, you are very good at vacant editorializing (do you work for the New York Slimes editorial page, or the Ripon Society, or Mother Jones, or the Nation, or Polo Players' Collective Monthly, or the Junior Leaguers for Recapturing Great, Great Grandaddy's Political Party, Trust Fund Babies for Perpetual Personal Prosperity at Everyone Else's Expense, Sensible Suburbanites for Sexual Freedom and for the Holocaust of All Those Inconvenient Babies?) while remaining totally fact free.
I have never urged you to vote third party (unless conservatives can render Romney and the Wall Street Boardroom GOP to be third party as early as this year of which even I am still skeptical). By all means, vote as you please. I know I shall vote as I please and it won't be for Romoney or for Obamney, two separate rejects despite all appearances. I gather that TLDR has some arcane meaning. Care to share?
I will guess:
Taxpayers Lusting for the Defeat of Robamney?
Truth Leading to the Dumping of Robamney?
Total Leftists Demanding Robamney?
Trustfunders Lending Dollars to Robamney?
jaydee770:
Here is a better idea for defeating Obozo. Get Romney to remove himself from this race and to deliver his delegates to Sarah Paling, groveling before her and begging her to replace him unconditionally in the race, and thereby reunite the actual GOP and stomp Obozo's skinny backside into the dust where it belongs. That's the short form. The alternative is to leave Robamney in the race and find out how many offended there are among the trust fund babies to try in vain to elect the lying POS while preparing for the next four years of Obozo and to physically move to Switzerland, Andorra or the Caymans.
I am not at all surprised that you wanted to avoid that 460+ post thread about Robamney appointing fag activist as his foreign policy spokesthing and about 440 actually conservative responses. As I post, he is desperately seeking a 45-year-old version of John Paul Stevens to nominate to SCOTUS as soon as he gets the chance to replace an actual conservative, and a young William Brennan for the next such vacancy, maybe a show of bipartisanship by appointing Eric Holder if there is a third vacancy and Janet Waco if there is a fourth.
On November 6, 2012, I will be celebrating the defeat either of Obozo or of Romney or, may God grant, of both.
Now, uninterested as you claim to be, if you can manage to maintain the self-discipline to avoid pimping for Robamney here and particularly responding to me, I will gladly ignore your existence.
BTW, there is a follow up at #30.
God bless you and yours!
I bow with full prostration before this noble post.
I've posted your excellent editorial here:
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