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To: BroJoeK

I agree with your post, except for the following.

-—Likewise, evolution theory is not necessarily rendered invalid by what it does not explain.-—

The theory of evolution is diametrically opposed to the empirical evidence.

Fossils have been collected for 150 years. They paint a uniform picture. Species remain static over time. Species exit the fossil record the same way they enter. Period.

The evidence directly contradicts Darwin’s theory.

The remaining, minority position is that evolution occurs in great leaps. But no remotely plausible mechanism has ever been proposed.


The question of human origins touches all sciences, since man is a unity of body and soul. No complete theory regarding human origins can ignore either aspect of human nature.

What then should be taught to children? This is more a question of authority. Since parents are children’s primary educators, they should have the power to decide.


17 posted on 04/24/2012 8:56:39 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; pieceofthepuzzle
St_Thomas_Aquinas: "The theory of evolution is diametrically opposed to the empirical evidence.

"Fossils have been collected for 150 years.
They paint a uniform picture.
Species remain static over time.
Species exit the fossil record the same way they enter...

"The evidence directly contradicts Darwin’s theory.
The remaining, minority position is that evolution occurs in great leaps.
But no remotely plausible mechanism has ever been proposed."

Hmmmmm... where to start?...

Yes, it's true that species come and go over relatively short intervals -- typically a few million years.
But remember that the word "species" is just a scientific construct, one of many describing biological classifications, including such terms as "sub-species", "breed", and "race" which come and go on even shorter time scales.
Indeed, we've seen "breeds" of domesticated animals developed over the short span of human history:

So every fossil, without exception, belongs to some longer-lived higher order or class, which scientists can determine by examining common characteristics.
It's a fact, for example, that human bones share certain characteristics in common with every other mammal, including the earliest proto-mammals from over 300 million years ago:


"Mammalian and non-mammalian jaws. In the mammal configuration, the quadrate and articular bones are much smaller and form part of the middle ear.
Note that in mammals the lower jaw consists of only the dentary bone."

So, yes, "species", "sub-species" & "breeds" come and go, but fossil records show that larger related families, orders and classes have survived for tens and hundreds of millions of years.

And the important point here is: DNA analyses of existing (or recently extinct) species confirms what the fossil record suggested -- that those with very similar characteristics also have closely matching DNA.
And DNA has a rate of mutations which can be measured in living species and calculated back to geological time-frames.

Certain DNA mutation (roughly one per generation) go on regardless of any outward modifications to a "species", and can be used, for example, to estimate when, say, St_Thomas_Aquinas and BroJoeK last shared a common ancestor. ;-)

And if, for example, that last common ancestor was several million years ago, and if our sub-species had lived all those years in radically different environments, then we might well expect that today our families could no longer interbreed -- hence by definition, we'd be different "species", regardless of how similar we looked.

St_Thomas_Aquinas: "Period"

No, not "period", but rather "comma", followed by a more detailed explanation. ;-)

20 posted on 04/27/2012 5:18:27 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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