Skip to comments.'Your' Car Won't Be After 2015
Posted on 04/30/2012 5:10:46 PM PDT by Twotone
Mandatory "Event Data Recorders" will even know you're speeding in reverse.
After a certain point, it's not paranoia.
The latest brick in the wall is the predictably named "Moving Ahead For Progress in the 21st Century Act," also known as Senate Bill 1813. (See here for the full text of the bill itself; the relevant section is 31406.) This legislation -- already passed by the Senate and likely to be passed by the House -- will impose a legal requirement that all new cars made beginning with the 2015 models be fitted with so-called Event Data Recorders (EDRs). These are the "black boxes" you may have read about that store data about how you drive -- including whether you wear a seat belt and how fast you drive -- ostensibly for purposes of post-accident investigation.
(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...
In High School in the early 1980’s I once said ‘Someday our grandchildren will ask ‘you could really drive where you wanted to and nobody would know?’ “
Three - 3 - years without a budget,
and they pass that black box spy crap for cars?
I predict lots of broken sensors, and increased used car resale value.
‘another brick in the wall’ -
how dang freaky is this??
Guess I’ll be holding on to my old rust bucket a while
OTOH, the Obama administration is working hard to be sure I cannot afford a 2015 vehicle until at least 2022.
Read page two, plus they will undoubtedly make it a crime to disable the sensors. After all, if everyone is a criminal of some sort, the authorities can decide which laws to enforce selectively to control subversive tendencies.
This is for accident reconstruction only. The feds will not monitor these things, but will charge you with a felony for disabling them.
Couldn’t say it better myself. It’s like 1984 /sigh
Yes, sure, it's only for accident reconstruction, now.
Wait for a couple of years and you'll start getting tickets in the mail.
Then, who knows, taxes based on how much, and where, you drive. For the good of the planet you know.
Anytime the government wants to know more about me and my activities I get paranoid. And it's not paranoia if the really are after you. And they are.
It’s not as simple as that. They will probably integrated the system into the ignition. Disable the black box and the vehicle won’t start.
I got an eye exam today. I had to look into a the digital lens alignment camera. I asked the person if she was photographing my retinal profile. She said that she was a retired military intelligence worker and that DNA is collected everyday on individuals. According to her, DNA has been saved on surgery patients for five years or so.
Nothing that allows physical access is unhackable. Witness DVD encryption.
I'm not a "car guy" and I've never been interested in tinkering under the hood, but I would get under there to replace these boxes with dummy boxes that feed "OK" signals to the rest of the car computer network.
Thats for only today...
|"Introduced||Nov 07, 2011|
|Reported by Committee||Nov 09, 2011|
|Passed Senate||Mar 14, 2012|
|Passed House||(not yet occurred)|
|Signed by the President||(not yet occurred)|
|This bill or resolution passed in the Senate on March 14, 2012 and goes to the House next for consideration.|
Just 21% of all Senate bills reported favorably by committee in 20092010 were enacted."
After which regulation will force the car insurance companies to mandate the black box for coverage.
It’s time to buy a motorcycle after 2015 or so.
This bill is HUGE!
( I glanced through it for a while - there’s got to be other stuff buried in there)
I predict lots of broken sensors, and increased used car resale value.
Ever wonder about the reason for “Cash for Clunkers?”
The reps have probably started and invested in a few after market black box repair and reprogram corps already.
If you have a car built in the last several years, chances are it already has the Event Data Recorder. My 2003 4Runner has one, my wife’s old 2003 Camry had one. And her new 2009 Sienna van has one too.
Many manufacturers have been voluntarily adding them. You can find links to see what makes, models and years have them installed.
What I read about them is that they are tied into the airbag systems. Disable the EVR, and you disable the air bags too. I’m sure someone could find a way around that though.
Then they will make it illegal to disable them.
We'll be flipping them off before we have to shoot them, I think. The latter is a dirty little job I don't want to leave for my nephew.
You won't be able to travel outside the US.
Should this ever come to pass, I’ll bet politicians will be exempt somehow.
who the hell is on our side anymore..???
a site said that toyota started putting these things in 2004 camrys, of which I have one....how do I check to see if it has one of these boxes?
The bill is going to committee where the Rs are jamming the Dems for now.
Hill.com - “The failure of Rahall’s (Rat) motion [it expedited the Senate bill in the House] leaves open the chance of a House-Senate conference that lasts through June, since funding for federal highway programs expires June 30 under current law.”
Pass it on!
What an idiot. He write a long column on the subject of monitoring and does not even mention the mileage-based tolling possibilities...which is the ultimate goal of this system (and supported by a lot of IDIOT conservatives).
Wait until you are pulled over by a cop using one of these new *License Plate Scanner Computer Readers* ...and when the cop is removing your plates, arranging for your car to be towed...while you try to explain that the data in his *system* is wrong. Fun stuff Amerika.
“who the hell is on our side anymore..???”
Only WE are on OUR side, anymore; THEY left us many, many years ago.
“As a rule of thumb, Congressional legislation that is bipartisan is usually twice as bad as legislation that is partisan.”- Thomas Sowell
Jailbreak and re-flash your car’s firmware.
“mileage based”- another Ray LaHood idea...isn’t he a “republican” ? or is he a former republican...
Read some of the comments in that thread. A few years ago, I remember CARB saying that they can lower the emission requirements of new cars but cant change what the requirements were for old cars. (Basically, its not fair to try and make a car run lower emissions 20 years later than it had to pass when it was brand new.) I guess they changed their mind. Complete BS,yet typical of CA and Boxcar’s ilk.
He's a RINO product of the Illinois Combine.
You guys do realize that your car almost definitely already has this right? If your car was made after 1990 it’s probably EFI, if it’s EFI it has a computer, if it has a computer it has the accident buffer. Not sure why they bothered to make it a law, since it’s already happened.
Event records are not the issue, & yes, most of us realize (as the article noted) that we’ve had these devices in cars since the 90’s.
This is the issue:
“But the last possibility is probably the creepiest: EDRs tied into your car’s GPS will give them — the government and/or corporations — literal physical control over (hack) “your” vehicle. This is not conspiracy theorizing. It is technological fact. Current GM vehicles equipped with the same technology about to be mandated for every vehicle can be disabled remotely. Just turned off.”
So we better start fighting this right now.
That way lies madness. If you start running away with assumptions of what might be done maybe at some point in the future possibly you have to kill all technology and go back to being Amish. Because it all might maybe at some point in the future possibly be tied to something else to do something bad with it.
Meanwhile back here in the world of the real your car already has it, you already lost this fight.
Bingo, as usual.
That’s exactly why I’m getting a pre-2015 model SUV; used if need be. And if there’s a tracking “black box” in it, it’s coming out.
Yep, I’m already mad - at a government that doesn’t understand limits to its authority.
By the time I can afford a 2015 car, it will be 2025 any way.
You should be mad at yourself for not bothering to pay attention to this 20 years ago when the computers first started going in cars. Oh and that “GM turning cars off” thing, it’s called OnStar people PAY GM for that service and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the accident data, tough of course needs to have a computer part of the car to work.
The OnStar thing would be fine if you want it. You buy an expensive auto & it’s a sure way to stop the vehicle if it gets stolen. The issue is government control - mandating such things which will drive up the cost of all vehicles & adding a little extra something so that THEY can control us or fine us or whatever.
I’ve been angry for more than 20 years about the direction this country has been going. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to convince even those closest to me that Gov’t cannot be trusted. I guess they’ll figure it out when they start receiving fines for driving 30 in a 25 zone.
So the GOP will also betray the People on this issue?
It's funny how when real Tyranny raises its ugly head, both parties often cooperate to impose it.
If the People's House passes this crap, it will be more proof that the GOP is just as big an enemy as the Democrats.
They can both go to Hell...