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'Your' Car Won't Be After 2015
The American Spectator ^ | April 25, 2012 | Eric Peters

Posted on 04/30/2012 5:10:46 PM PDT by Twotone

Mandatory "Event Data Recorders" will even know you're speeding in reverse.

After a certain point, it's not paranoia.

The latest brick in the wall is the predictably named "Moving Ahead For Progress in the 21st Century Act," also known as Senate Bill 1813. (See here for the full text of the bill itself; the relevant section is 31406.) This legislation -- already passed by the Senate and likely to be passed by the House -- will impose a legal requirement that all new cars made beginning with the 2015 models be fitted with so-called Event Data Recorders (EDRs). These are the "black boxes" you may have read about that store data about how you drive -- including whether you wear a seat belt and how fast you drive -- ostensibly for purposes of post-accident investigation.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: 21stcenturyact; barbraboxer; blackboxes; boxer; edr; legislation; senatebill1813
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Positively Orwellian what's happening in this country...
1 posted on 04/30/2012 5:10:49 PM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone

In High School in the early 1980’s I once said ‘Someday our grandchildren will ask ‘you could really drive where you wanted to and nobody would know?’ “


2 posted on 04/30/2012 5:13:04 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: Twotone

Three - 3 - years without a budget,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2878332/posts

and they pass that black box spy crap for cars?

WTF!


3 posted on 04/30/2012 5:15:52 PM PDT by carriage_hill ((.))
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To: Twotone
Whenever they draft a piece of legislation with a name like,”Moving Ahead For Progress in the 21st Century Act”, I start getting very suspicious and skeptical
4 posted on 04/30/2012 5:22:27 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Twotone

I predict lots of broken sensors, and increased used car resale value.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 5:22:34 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Twotone

‘another brick in the wall’ -
how dang freaky is this??

Guess I’ll be holding on to my old rust bucket a while
longer.


6 posted on 04/30/2012 5:24:10 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: Twotone
What about the mandatory breathalyzer in the ignition, GPS for the taxes, and wifi for the police overrides?

-PJ

7 posted on 04/30/2012 5:25:21 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Twotone

OTOH, the Obama administration is working hard to be sure I cannot afford a 2015 vehicle until at least 2022.


8 posted on 04/30/2012 5:26:07 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (SpaceX Dragon launch to ISS, Cape Canaveral AFS, May 7, 9:38 AM EDT)
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To: Trod Upon
"I predict lots of broken sensors, and increased used car resale value."

Read page two, plus they will undoubtedly make it a crime to disable the sensors. After all, if everyone is a criminal of some sort, the authorities can decide which laws to enforce selectively to control subversive tendencies.

9 posted on 04/30/2012 5:29:31 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Twotone

This is for accident reconstruction only. The feds will not monitor these things, but will charge you with a felony for disabling them.


10 posted on 04/30/2012 5:36:57 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Twotone

Couldn’t say it better myself. It’s like 1984 /sigh


11 posted on 04/30/2012 5:36:57 PM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Bulls!!! Go White Sox!!!)
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To: Truth29; Twotone
I'll disable the box and take my chances.

Yes, sure, it's only for accident reconstruction, now.
Wait for a couple of years and you'll start getting tickets in the mail.
Then, who knows, taxes based on how much, and where, you drive. For the good of the planet you know.

Anytime the government wants to know more about me and my activities I get paranoid. And it's not paranoia if the really are after you. And they are.

12 posted on 04/30/2012 5:43:08 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Trod Upon

It’s not as simple as that. They will probably integrated the system into the ignition. Disable the black box and the vehicle won’t start.


13 posted on 04/30/2012 5:44:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Twotone

I got an eye exam today. I had to look into a the digital lens alignment camera. I asked the person if she was photographing my retinal profile. She said that she was a retired military intelligence worker and that DNA is collected everyday on individuals. According to her, DNA has been saved on surgery patients for five years or so.


14 posted on 04/30/2012 5:55:36 PM PDT by Bronzy (Send a NEWTron to Obama!)
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To: Twotone
My guess is;
Senate Bill 1813 will pass with 51-56 yes votes. Then it will go to the house where it will also pass, probably a little closer. say 250-185. Of course, Obama will sign it. After all it is for the children AND to help bring down the high cost of automobile insurance.
Then the Republicans can say they are being “bipartisan” and really want to “help get America going again”.
15 posted on 04/30/2012 5:56:14 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It’s not as simple as that. They will probably integrated the system into the ignition. Disable the black box and the vehicle won’t start.

Nothing that allows physical access is unhackable. Witness DVD encryption.

I'm not a "car guy" and I've never been interested in tinkering under the hood, but I would get under there to replace these boxes with dummy boxes that feed "OK" signals to the rest of the car computer network.

16 posted on 04/30/2012 5:58:02 PM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: umgud

Thats for only today...


17 posted on 04/30/2012 6:01:49 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Twotone
A couple of co-sponsored Rs swallowed Boxer's bull:


"Introduced Nov 07, 2011
Reported by Committee Nov 09, 2011
Passed Senate Mar 14, 2012
Passed House (not yet occurred)
Signed by the President (not yet occurred)
This bill or resolution passed in the Senate on March 14, 2012 and goes to the House next for consideration.
Prognosis:

Just 21% of all Senate bills reported favorably by committee in 2009–2010 were enacted."

show cosponsors (3)

Sponsor:
Sen. Barbara Boxer [D-CA]
Status:
Passed Senate"

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813


18 posted on 04/30/2012 6:06:12 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Trod Upon
I predict lots of broken sensors, and increased used car resale value.

After which regulation will force the car insurance companies to mandate the black box for coverage.

19 posted on 04/30/2012 6:06:26 PM PDT by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Twotone

It’s time to buy a motorcycle after 2015 or so.


20 posted on 04/30/2012 6:19:24 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Twotone

This bill is HUGE!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text

( I glanced through it for a while - there’s got to be other stuff buried in there)


21 posted on 04/30/2012 6:23:19 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Trod Upon

I predict lots of broken sensors, and increased used car resale value.


Ever wonder about the reason for “Cash for Clunkers?”


22 posted on 04/30/2012 6:23:37 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Twotone

The reps have probably started and invested in a few after market black box repair and reprogram corps already.


23 posted on 04/30/2012 6:36:58 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin,Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry,Rush: Anyone but Obama,because I trust their judgment.)
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To: Twotone

If you have a car built in the last several years, chances are it already has the Event Data Recorder. My 2003 4Runner has one, my wife’s old 2003 Camry had one. And her new 2009 Sienna van has one too.

Many manufacturers have been voluntarily adding them. You can find links to see what makes, models and years have them installed.

What I read about them is that they are tied into the airbag systems. Disable the EVR, and you disable the air bags too. I’m sure someone could find a way around that though.


24 posted on 04/30/2012 6:52:18 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: whd23

Then they will make it illegal to disable them.


25 posted on 04/30/2012 6:59:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Twotone
It isn't a Red Barchetta but yeah, I'm a white-haired uncle and I got a country place and a hot car under a tarp in my garage. I ran it the day before yesterday and it still sounds sweet.

We'll be flipping them off before we have to shoot them, I think. The latter is a dirty little job I don't want to leave for my nephew.

26 posted on 04/30/2012 6:59:28 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: libertarian27
Barbara Boxer also put this gem in the same Senate bill 1813:

Forget Travel If You Owe The IRS

You won't be able to travel outside the US.

27 posted on 04/30/2012 7:10:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Twotone

Should this ever come to pass, I’ll bet politicians will be exempt somehow.


28 posted on 04/30/2012 7:37:02 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: carriage_hill
why is our republican congress going to pass this crap....

who the hell is on our side anymore..???

29 posted on 04/30/2012 7:59:11 PM PDT by cherry
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To: zencycler

a site said that toyota started putting these things in 2004 camrys, of which I have one....how do I check to see if it has one of these boxes?


30 posted on 04/30/2012 8:04:43 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

The bill is going to committee where the Rs are jamming the Dems for now.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/223769-house-votes-to-negotiate-highway-bill-with-senate

Hill.com - “The failure of Rahall’s (Rat) motion [it expedited the Senate bill in the House] leaves open the chance of a House-Senate conference that lasts through June, since funding for federal highway programs expires June 30 under current law.”


31 posted on 04/30/2012 8:40:48 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Twotone
Not going to happen. The American people have just about had it with this government.
32 posted on 04/30/2012 9:13:35 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist

Bookmark


33 posted on 04/30/2012 10:40:21 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Twotone
Pssssst: Cell Phone | GPS Jammers.

Pass it on!

34 posted on 04/30/2012 10:45:42 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Twotone

What an idiot. He write a long column on the subject of monitoring and does not even mention the mileage-based tolling possibilities...which is the ultimate goal of this system (and supported by a lot of IDIOT conservatives).


35 posted on 05/01/2012 12:25:29 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Twotone

Wait until you are pulled over by a cop using one of these new *License Plate Scanner Computer Readers* ...and when the cop is removing your plates, arranging for your car to be towed...while you try to explain that the data in his *system* is wrong. Fun stuff Amerika.


36 posted on 05/01/2012 12:46:59 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: cherry

“who the hell is on our side anymore..???”

Only WE are on OUR side, anymore; THEY left us many, many years ago.


37 posted on 05/01/2012 3:07:12 AM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: carriage_hill

“As a rule of thumb, Congressional legislation that is bipartisan is usually twice as bad as legislation that is partisan.”- Thomas Sowell


38 posted on 05/01/2012 11:54:37 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Jailbreak and re-flash your car’s firmware.


39 posted on 05/01/2012 12:11:54 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: BobL

“mileage based”- another Ray LaHood idea...isn’t he a “republican” ? or is he a former republican...

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/southern-california-area/635403-good-luck-passing-smog.html

Read some of the comments in that thread. A few years ago, I remember CARB saying that they can lower the emission requirements of new cars but can’t change what the requirements were for old cars. (Basically, it’s not fair to try and make a car run lower emissions 20 years later than it had to pass when it was brand new.) I guess they changed their mind. Complete BS,yet typical of CA and Boxcar’s ilk.


40 posted on 05/01/2012 12:13:25 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni
another Ray LaHood idea...isn’t he a “republican” ? or is he a former republican...

He's a RINO product of the Illinois Combine.

41 posted on 05/01/2012 12:25:34 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Twotone

You guys do realize that your car almost definitely already has this right? If your car was made after 1990 it’s probably EFI, if it’s EFI it has a computer, if it has a computer it has the accident buffer. Not sure why they bothered to make it a law, since it’s already happened.


42 posted on 05/01/2012 12:33:22 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

Event records are not the issue, & yes, most of us realize (as the article noted) that we’ve had these devices in cars since the 90’s.

This is the issue:

“But the last possibility is probably the creepiest: EDRs tied into your car’s GPS will give them — the government and/or corporations — literal physical control over (hack) “your” vehicle. This is not conspiracy theorizing. It is technological fact. Current GM vehicles equipped with the same technology about to be mandated for every vehicle can be disabled remotely. Just turned off.”

So we better start fighting this right now.


43 posted on 05/01/2012 12:47:43 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

That way lies madness. If you start running away with assumptions of what might be done maybe at some point in the future possibly you have to kill all technology and go back to being Amish. Because it all might maybe at some point in the future possibly be tied to something else to do something bad with it.

Meanwhile back here in the world of the real your car already has it, you already lost this fight.


44 posted on 05/01/2012 1:15:37 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: TurboZamboni

Bingo, as usual.

That’s exactly why I’m getting a pre-2015 model SUV; used if need be. And if there’s a tracking “black box” in it, it’s coming out.


45 posted on 05/01/2012 1:31:01 PM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: discostu

Yep, I’m already mad - at a government that doesn’t understand limits to its authority.


46 posted on 05/01/2012 1:33:04 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: AFreeBird

By the time I can afford a 2015 car, it will be 2025 any way.


47 posted on 05/01/2012 1:36:41 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Twotone

You should be mad at yourself for not bothering to pay attention to this 20 years ago when the computers first started going in cars. Oh and that “GM turning cars off” thing, it’s called OnStar people PAY GM for that service and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the accident data, tough of course needs to have a computer part of the car to work.


48 posted on 05/01/2012 1:37:47 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

The OnStar thing would be fine if you want it. You buy an expensive auto & it’s a sure way to stop the vehicle if it gets stolen. The issue is government control - mandating such things which will drive up the cost of all vehicles & adding a little extra something so that THEY can control us or fine us or whatever.

I’ve been angry for more than 20 years about the direction this country has been going. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to convince even those closest to me that Gov’t cannot be trusted. I guess they’ll figure it out when they start receiving fines for driving 30 in a 25 zone.


49 posted on 05/01/2012 1:43:53 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone
[Tyranny] already passed by the Senate and likely to be passed by the House

So the GOP will also betray the People on this issue?

It's funny how when real Tyranny raises its ugly head, both parties often cooperate to impose it.

If the People's House passes this crap, it will be more proof that the GOP is just as big an enemy as the Democrats.

They can both go to Hell...

50 posted on 05/01/2012 1:47:19 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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