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'Your' Car Won't Be After 2015
The American Spectator ^ | April 25, 2012 | Eric Peters

Posted on 04/30/2012 5:10:46 PM PDT by Twotone

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To: TurboZamboni
another Ray LaHood idea...isn’t he a “republican” ? or is he a former republican...

He's a RINO product of the Illinois Combine.

41 posted on 05/01/2012 12:25:34 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Twotone

You guys do realize that your car almost definitely already has this right? If your car was made after 1990 it’s probably EFI, if it’s EFI it has a computer, if it has a computer it has the accident buffer. Not sure why they bothered to make it a law, since it’s already happened.


42 posted on 05/01/2012 12:33:22 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

Event records are not the issue, & yes, most of us realize (as the article noted) that we’ve had these devices in cars since the 90’s.

This is the issue:

“But the last possibility is probably the creepiest: EDRs tied into your car’s GPS will give them — the government and/or corporations — literal physical control over (hack) “your” vehicle. This is not conspiracy theorizing. It is technological fact. Current GM vehicles equipped with the same technology about to be mandated for every vehicle can be disabled remotely. Just turned off.”

So we better start fighting this right now.


43 posted on 05/01/2012 12:47:43 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

That way lies madness. If you start running away with assumptions of what might be done maybe at some point in the future possibly you have to kill all technology and go back to being Amish. Because it all might maybe at some point in the future possibly be tied to something else to do something bad with it.

Meanwhile back here in the world of the real your car already has it, you already lost this fight.


44 posted on 05/01/2012 1:15:37 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: TurboZamboni

Bingo, as usual.

That’s exactly why I’m getting a pre-2015 model SUV; used if need be. And if there’s a tracking “black box” in it, it’s coming out.


45 posted on 05/01/2012 1:31:01 PM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: discostu

Yep, I’m already mad - at a government that doesn’t understand limits to its authority.


46 posted on 05/01/2012 1:33:04 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: AFreeBird

By the time I can afford a 2015 car, it will be 2025 any way.


47 posted on 05/01/2012 1:36:41 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Twotone

You should be mad at yourself for not bothering to pay attention to this 20 years ago when the computers first started going in cars. Oh and that “GM turning cars off” thing, it’s called OnStar people PAY GM for that service and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the accident data, tough of course needs to have a computer part of the car to work.


48 posted on 05/01/2012 1:37:47 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: discostu

The OnStar thing would be fine if you want it. You buy an expensive auto & it’s a sure way to stop the vehicle if it gets stolen. The issue is government control - mandating such things which will drive up the cost of all vehicles & adding a little extra something so that THEY can control us or fine us or whatever.

I’ve been angry for more than 20 years about the direction this country has been going. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to convince even those closest to me that Gov’t cannot be trusted. I guess they’ll figure it out when they start receiving fines for driving 30 in a 25 zone.


49 posted on 05/01/2012 1:43:53 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone
[Tyranny] already passed by the Senate and likely to be passed by the House

So the GOP will also betray the People on this issue?

It's funny how when real Tyranny raises its ugly head, both parties often cooperate to impose it.

If the People's House passes this crap, it will be more proof that the GOP is just as big an enemy as the Democrats.

They can both go to Hell...

50 posted on 05/01/2012 1:47:19 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Twotone

But they aren’t mandating OnStar, that was just the writer throwing in all kinds of extra junk to turn this into some sort of massive conspiracy. He mentioned that GM can remote turn off cars to enhance the paranoia. The issue is the two things actually have nothing to do with each other other than being linked to the computer.

You missed the point. The computers, with this buffer, have BEEN IN YOUR CAR FOR TWENTY YEARS. And nobody is getting fines for driving 30 in a 25. It’s important to temper one’s distrust of the government with facts. These buffers WON’T allow that kind of ticketing, unless you’ve been in an accident, because that’s the only time the buffer gets read. There’s no wireless transmission from these things, it’s all wired.


51 posted on 05/01/2012 1:52:05 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Twotone

And why are we letting it happen?


52 posted on 05/01/2012 1:55:56 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: discostu
You guys do realize that your car almost definitely already has this right?

Of course. What has changed is the fact that it's now being mandated by government.

Private sector initiative vs. government mandate. It's all the difference in the world...

53 posted on 05/01/2012 2:30:45 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Twotone

Rush - “Red Barchetta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U

Lyrics:

My uncle has a country place that no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm before the Motor Law
And on Sundays, I elude the eyes, hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire, where my white-haired uncle waits

Jump to the ground as the turbo slows to cross the borderline
Then run like the wind as excitement shivers up and down my spine
But down in his barn, my uncle preserved for me an old machine
For fifty odd years, to keep it as new has been his dearest dream

I strip away the old debris that hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta from a better vanished time
Ooh, fired up the willing engine, responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime

Wind in my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge

Well-weathered leather, hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome, the blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware

Suddenly ahead of me across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires to run the deadly race
It goes screaming through the valley as another joins the chase

Drive like the wind, straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan
At the one lane bridge, I leave the giants stranded at the riverside
Race back to the farm to dream with my uncle at the fireside


54 posted on 05/01/2012 2:30:58 PM PDT by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: sargon

I just think it’s funny that these things have been in cars for 20 years and now all of a sudden everybody is talking about not buying cars with them or disabling them. Every paranoid fantasy about these things was just as capable of happening (most of them not actually) 1 month ago as today, the only thing that’s changed is now people know about it.


55 posted on 05/01/2012 2:51:07 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: TurboZamboni

“I remember CARB saying that they can lower the emission requirements of new cars but can’t change what the requirements were for old cars. (Basically, it’s not fair to try and make a car run lower emissions 20 years later than it had to pass when it was brand new.) I guess they changed their mind.”

Well it is true that probably 99% of the pollution from cars, come from cars more than 10 years old...so if you want to clean up the air, then you must go after those older cars. But until recently, California’s government was stuck between pushing for social justice (which, in this case, means giving ‘the poor’ a break on their emissions) and cleaning up the air. You can’t have both. So now they’re coming down on the side of clean air. For the people on that forum, they might want to do what a friend of mine here in Texas does - which is to keep a nearly new CC and O2 Sensor in his garage, and swap it in, just before inspection, and then swap it out right after. He says it works fine (those two devices can clean up anything coming out of an engine, providing the CC isn’t fouled)...a bit time consuming though.


56 posted on 05/01/2012 3:22:01 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

most folks have neither the skills or inclination to fool with that.and the poor don’t have the $ to pay someone to do it.
if that “fixes” it and it passes the sniffer check, why swap it back again?


57 posted on 05/01/2012 3:27:08 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

“if that “fixes” it and it passes the sniffer check, why swap it back again?”

Because aftermarket CC’s are crap and last maybe 5 or 10k before they are useless.

As for not being able to swap them or afford to swap them...that’s why the system actually ‘works’. But listening to the people on that forum, I suspect that most of them can change those parts out.


58 posted on 05/01/2012 3:48:03 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

Texas has that,too? that’s disappointing to know. I thought they were one of the last few free places to live.


59 posted on 05/01/2012 3:50:24 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

“Texas has that,too? that’s disappointing to know. I thought they were one of the last few free places to live.”

Oh, you’d be surprised. We have a legacy of Democrat domination and even our governor today can’t shake off his Democrat roots. But every year, we have to have a shop look at our cars and tell us if they’re safe. Then, if we live in a high-pollution area (i.e., where 80% of Texans live), then we have a smog check - every year. Even worse than California.


60 posted on 05/01/2012 5:47:12 PM PDT by BobL
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