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When did the umps start NOT to require the 2nd baseman to touch the bag on a double play?
Pharmboy ^ | 4-30-12 | Me

Posted on 04/30/2012 5:41:51 PM PDT by Pharmboy

I have noticed this for a LONG time, but I have never asked about it, nor have I ever seen it discussed.

I am watching my Mets against Houston, and the Astros have a man on first. Sharp grounder to third, and Wright backhands it and throws to Murphy at second, and Murphy is AT LEAST 1.5 feet off the bag when he catches it, wheels and throws to first; BUT the ump calls the Astro OUT at second.

When did this start??


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KEYWORDS: baseball; doubleplay; umps
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Has any manager ever called the ump out on this? Did this start 100 years ago or merely 30 years ago? Thanks for your indulgence...
1 posted on 04/30/2012 5:42:03 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

My Question is WHO CARES?

You are watching people paid millions to play a children’s game very well.

Get a life.


2 posted on 04/30/2012 5:44:48 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: Pharmboy
In the National League, at least fifty years ago. In the American, not so far back.
3 posted on 04/30/2012 5:45:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pharmboy

...the “close enough” rule has been around quite sometime


4 posted on 04/30/2012 5:45:46 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Pharmboy

You need to check your glasses, or the ump at 2nd base needs to check his.

Go Cubs


5 posted on 04/30/2012 5:46:05 PM PDT by loucon
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To: Pharmboy

Long before there were any Mets. Probably around the time of Tinkers to Evers to Chance.


6 posted on 04/30/2012 5:46:46 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: Pharmboy
The secret to that call is to watch the feet and listen to the ball hitting the mitt.

Been there, did that ... for 14 years.

7 posted on 04/30/2012 5:47:10 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: dewawi

Your the one who needs to “get a life” sir. Or is it ma’am?


8 posted on 04/30/2012 5:47:38 PM PDT by Misterioso ( There's no one worse than a lapsed Objectivist. -- Eddie Willers)
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To: Pharmboy

‘bout the time Ty Cobb lacerated a few shins with his filed metal spikes.


9 posted on 04/30/2012 5:47:52 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: dewawi

I am too polite to say what a newbie loser you are, so I won’t. However, I will say that this does not reflect well on your parents for the way they brought you up.


10 posted on 04/30/2012 5:48:01 PM PDT by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: dewawi

He has a life and it includes baseball, so don’t rile pharmboy up. And welcome (03/16/12)to FR.


11 posted on 04/30/2012 5:49:42 PM PDT by healy61
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To: loucon

I’m not quite an oldster yet, but I remember watching Willie Randolph putting many runners out by being in the area of 2nd base.

The first time I noticed it, I complained, and my dad said the umps usually call it for the fielder if he makes it look good.


12 posted on 04/30/2012 5:49:52 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Pharmboy
When did this start??

Just before the NBA stopped calling traveling.

13 posted on 04/30/2012 5:50:03 PM PDT by magellan
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To: Pharmboy

This, believe it or not, is known as the “in the vicinity” call—NOT in the rules but invented by major league umpires. What REALLY gets interesting are the handful of times each season when an umpire actually calls the runner SAFE because the fielder didn’t touch the base. Something like the George Brett pine tar imbroglio—ignoring a rule 99% of the time and then, for no apparent reason, enforcing it.


14 posted on 04/30/2012 5:50:03 PM PDT by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

Hmm...y’know, that makes sense. And, as you probably know, it was said that Ty used to sharpen those spikes.


15 posted on 04/30/2012 5:50:40 PM PDT by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: Pharmboy
I read something some time ago that the league had started training umpires to not require they touch the base to reduce the amount of injuries. Probably a deal with the players unions and the league. Typical whinney sports egos at hand here. They get to pad their stats by not really having to do the play....
16 posted on 04/30/2012 5:50:53 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: Pharmboy

The second baseman has to touch Nancy Pelosi? Ohhhh.....that’s right.......she’s the old bag.


17 posted on 04/30/2012 5:51:43 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Pharmboy
I've only seen it called in maybe the last 5 years? If they are in the “proximity” of the bag they call it. I think it's crazy that they don't have to touch the bag, especially on a game ending play. Even little leaguers have to actually touch second!
18 posted on 04/30/2012 5:51:59 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Pharmboy
I've only seen it called in maybe the last 5 years? If they are in the “proximity” of the bag they call it. I think it's crazy that they don't have to touch the bag, especially on a game ending play. Even little leaguers have to actually touch second!
19 posted on 04/30/2012 5:51:59 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Pharmboy
This has been the way major league baseball has been officiated since at least the 1960’s. The reason is to prevent injuries. When a base-runner tries to take out the shortstop or second baseman the umps cut the fielder a little slack.

It is only done when the runner is trying to break up a double play by running into the infielder. It is done to prevent injuries.

20 posted on 04/30/2012 5:52:03 PM PDT by detective
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To: Pharmboy

Supposedly it’s to protect the fielders. It’s been around a long time. Plays at first and third are called much more closely. It’s a bit like offside in hockey. If they called everything, they’d constantly be stopping play.


21 posted on 04/30/2012 5:52:13 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: dewawi
Who the hell are you Noob to be telling anyone anything!!

Get Lost, Go Play In The Street!

22 posted on 04/30/2012 5:53:16 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Misterioso

20 responses to a question about a children’s game played by adults for millions of dollars in 5 minutes. Tell me who has to get lives again?


23 posted on 04/30/2012 5:54:49 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: Pharmboy

Around when Michael Jordan removed the need to actually dribble the ball when going from the top of his key to dunk in the opposing basket.

Or when actually TOUCHING a QB resulted in a flag every time (put ‘em in a dress and be done with it!). Likewise a DB actually defending a pass without getting a pass interference flag.

I can’t comment on hockey, but very few can, since very few watch. Soccer even more so because less so.

And don’t get me started on that abomination to sports, the baseball DH...


24 posted on 04/30/2012 5:55:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Pharmboy

Why, hell! The umpire doesn’t even have to call a ball even if it’s totally off the plate. He can call it a strike. But if the runner from third misses the plate by that much, the umpire will call him out.

Baseball is a mysterious, horribly traditional joke.

Head coach wears little boy clothes (what other sport does that?)
Can hit foul balls all day and still have an “at bat.”
Ball doesn’t have to be over the plate any more.
2nd Baseman doesn’t have to touch the bag on a double play.
Players cannot re-enter the game if taken out once.
Pitchers pulled in from the bull pen get 7 or 8 new pitches, even if they’ve pitched out there all night.
Coaches count pitches and usually yank out a starter if he’s anywhere near 100 pitches no matter how well the pitcher’s doing.
Coaches will not put in his best pitcher to close a game.
Wooden bats.
Even though a batter stands there and watches a pitch go by, he can still step out of the box and spend a lot of time realigning his gloves, hat, and pants, even though he didn’t swing and nothing on him moved.
(add your own)


25 posted on 04/30/2012 5:56:03 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: Pharmboy

Do they have “instant replay” like football does? Just asking, as I haven’t watched baseball in many years, since the ‘69 Mets in the WS.


26 posted on 04/30/2012 5:56:10 PM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: Misterioso

Hey, we got our very own ‘occupy fr’ grump. Haha!


27 posted on 04/30/2012 5:56:46 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Misterioso

Hey, we got our very own ‘occupy fr’ grump. Haha!


28 posted on 04/30/2012 5:57:24 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: dewawi
This will help you not only here but elsewhere in life:


29 posted on 04/30/2012 5:57:24 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: dewawi

>>20 responses to a question about a children’s game played by adults for millions of dollars in 5 minutes. Tell me who has to get lives again?<<

We all would be very interested in the size, make, model, caliber and sighting of the gun that was placed at your temple to make you post to a chat thread on a subject you seem to not care about and yet are so passionate about.

Sports is fun and a great diversion for many people. If you do not value them, maybe you should stick to things you care less about. OOpps I mean “more” about...


30 posted on 04/30/2012 5:58:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Pharmboy

When did it start, you’re axing? You saw it today? Well, it was supposed to start tomorrow May 1, as I understand it. Damn, they started out too early!


31 posted on 04/30/2012 5:59:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dewawi
Might I ask why u clicked on this thread if u have no interest in it???...and then leave a comment like that??

Might I also ask about your current mental state as a result of your obviously flawed upbringing??

U may be a conservative...but it doesn't save u from being a pom-pus low life a$$hole....

have a Good Day..

32 posted on 04/30/2012 6:01:07 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: dewawi

Don’t you ever forget that your signup date determines the level of your intelligence to the self described weisenheimers here!


33 posted on 04/30/2012 6:01:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dewawi
Get a life.

How about you get some manners. Most new folks try to be a bit more polite to those that have been around for awhile.

34 posted on 04/30/2012 6:01:14 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (I just try to stay out of the fray...)
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To: Eastbound
dewawi: Occupy MLB !!

a children’s game played by adults for millions of dollars in 5 minutes

I Suck & Life is not fair! boo-hoo!

35 posted on 04/30/2012 6:01:14 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: dewawi
Y'know, you must be a troll because NO ONE can be this stupid; but to troll on a BASEBALL thread? Is trolling your hobby? Perhaps you should take up a different one...like knitting, or tatting, or...baseball.

Have a nice evening. Over and out.

36 posted on 04/30/2012 6:01:32 PM PDT by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: detective; Pharmboy

I’ve seen it happen even when there’s no one near sliding into second. I also hate the call where the guy making the play at second or third or wherever goes to turn a double play and drops the ball, but because it was “on the transfer” the guys out. I don’t care if you’re transferring the ball, you’re a freaking Pro don’t drop it! I’m a girl and we played fast pitch softball and there is no proximity to the bag rule or transfer rule. And at least a couple times a year you get an ump that refuses to call the proximity rule so either do it or don’t! I went to HS for an entire week with a huge black eye because we turned a double play the right way! If a girl can handle it, an adult male should be able to!


37 posted on 04/30/2012 6:04:39 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Pharmboy

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2011/Official_Baseball_Rules.pdf


38 posted on 04/30/2012 6:06:26 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Pharmboy

Watch George Carlin describe the difference between baseball and football. That’s why football rules. Just the number that show up for FB games should show why FB is America’s favorite sport. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmXacL0Uny0


39 posted on 04/30/2012 6:06:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Pharmboy

It started at least 20 years ago


40 posted on 04/30/2012 6:06:31 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Pharmboy

I am paying 40% of my income in taxes and people that can’t seem to get over watching ADULTS play a children’s game for MILLIONS OF DOLLARS expect ME to pay even MORE in taxes to help them build STADIUMS for them to ooh and ahh their baseball warrior heroes....

Now they want us to pay for a football stadium despite the fact that probably once a week a professional football player in this state is charged with some violent felony.


41 posted on 04/30/2012 6:08:37 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: Pharmboy

And it is the shortstop who gets the phantom call. The second baseman can’t physically make the same type play


42 posted on 04/30/2012 6:08:37 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Pharmboy

as long as I can remember and I am bummed to realize that’s quite a long time now :(


43 posted on 04/30/2012 6:09:18 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (SpaceX Dragon launch to ISS, Cape Canaveral AFS, May 7, 9:38 AM EDT)
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To: Pharmboy

They started letting them ghost-touch the bag — so long as they’re way ahead of the runner — to avoid major collisions at second. Unwritten rule.

SnakeDoc


44 posted on 04/30/2012 6:10:05 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast; All; thefactor

Tyrus Raymond Cobb sliding gently into home. Yep...the Georgia Peach changed the game.

And a ping to thefactor

45 posted on 04/30/2012 6:10:37 PM PDT by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: Rebelbase

Best Book “EVER”...should be renamed “How to live your life”.


46 posted on 04/30/2012 6:10:57 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: Revolting cat!
Did you even bother to read the rude comment this poster made?

Hint: our responses have nothing to do with its sign up date.

47 posted on 04/30/2012 6:11:04 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (I just try to stay out of the fray...)
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To: Revolting cat!

Too funny...youse gots some smiles outta me...


48 posted on 04/30/2012 6:11:54 PM PDT by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: mkmensinger

Then they should have the softball style base for 2nd where there is a zone for the fielder and a zone for the runner


49 posted on 04/30/2012 6:12:12 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: CAluvdubya

#48.


50 posted on 04/30/2012 6:13:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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