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Boy vaccinated with Girls version of Gardasil...total pancreatic failure. Questions...

Posted on 05/01/2012 8:54:06 PM PDT by Mama Shawna

RARELY post anything...this is a total vanity, but, I would like some input. We have a customer who has a 14 year old son that got the WRONG Gardasil shot last fall. The clinic where he got the shot notified them 3 months after the fact that he got the FEMALE version, instead of the MALE version, along with 15 other boys (they wanted his parents to bring him back in for the male version...and they refused, I think, luckily). Just in the last month, this kid has had total pancreatic failure, and now must take insulin shots, and monitor his blood sugar before EVERY meal, for the REST of his life. I can't help but think this is related to the Gardasil. I've done some googling, but can't really find anything out there. Does anyone out there in Freeper-land have any experience in this, and can clue me in? I just feel horrible for our customer and his kid, and as soon as I heard the words 'Gardasil' and 'mistake', red flags went up BIGTIME!! Thanks FREEPERS!


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1 posted on 05/01/2012 8:54:12 PM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: Mama Shawna

Or it could be one of those really awful coincidences.... your description is one of early onset diabetes. Does anyone in his family (uncle, cousin, grandparent, sibling, or parent) have diabetes?


2 posted on 05/01/2012 8:58:27 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mama Shawna

Or it could be one of those really awful coincidences.... your description is one of early onset diabetes. Does anyone in his family (uncle, cousin, grandparent, sibling, or parent) have diabetes?


3 posted on 05/01/2012 8:59:35 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mama Shawna

Never heard of different boy and girl vaccines, at all. Viruses don’t care which sex you are.

And there is only one dosing protocol and one form of Gardasil. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf

Someone got the story very mixed up.

As to this boy, it sounds as though he has juvenile onset diabetes.


4 posted on 05/01/2012 9:00:33 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: Mama Shawna

This would be hard to prove, I think. Early onset- or type 1 diabetes commonly strikes about this age. As a school nurse, I would say that it doesn’t seem to be related, but his family should talk with the doctor.


5 posted on 05/01/2012 9:07:22 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Mama Shawna

Well don’t mention this if you are running for office or conservatives even here at FR will crucify you (Search: “Michelle Bachmann”).

But I have a neighbor girl who within 2 days of getting the shot is just slightly above what appears to be a vegetative state for the last 2 years.


6 posted on 05/01/2012 9:10:02 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Mama Shawna

The stats on the test subjects are at the Merck site. Out of almost 30,000 individuals (girls and women) given Gardasil two came down with diabetes insulin depend type. This was the same number as the number of individuals that came down with diabetes insulin dependent type in the control group.

This is what is often called statistically insignificant and non-causal.

While it maybe that this is what ‘caused’ the failure of this young man’s pancreatic failure it will be a tough haul to actually prove it.


7 posted on 05/01/2012 9:11:52 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mama Shawna
Why would a 14 year old boy be given this injection!?

Am I missing something here or just being an old fuddy-duddy??

8 posted on 05/01/2012 9:27:16 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Mama Shawna

It’s called Type 1 Diabetes, or juvenile diabetes.

It does not sound like he has complete pancreatic failure. The pancreas also puts out enzymes that the stomach has to have to process food.


9 posted on 05/01/2012 9:28:28 PM PDT by JRochelle (Note to the MSM: Unemployment has been higher under every month of Obama than any month under Bush.)
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To: Mama Shawna

I know. Let’s stop pumping behavior-problem-drugs into our kids and get back to spending time with them.


10 posted on 05/01/2012 9:29:50 PM PDT by donna (...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way... -Mitt Romney)
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To: hocndoc

There is no difference. It is dosed the same and given the same.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 9:31:58 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: higgmeister

My guess is that the pediatrician suggested it and the parents said yes. There are a bunch of the ‘newer’ vaccines that I made sure my child never received


12 posted on 05/01/2012 9:33:19 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: JRochelle

WHile The Juvenile Diabetes Foundation still uses the term, doctors haven’t used the term ‘juvenile’ for a very long time. Insulin dependent diabetes can occur at almost anytime in one’s life-—


13 posted on 05/01/2012 9:35:37 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mama Shawna

If the parents feel the events are related (the vaccination and the organ failure) encourage them to report the event to VAERS (The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) here http://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index so that it may investigated and reviewed properly.


14 posted on 05/01/2012 9:38:51 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Mama Shawna

Lawyer Central Network, LLC apparently owns classaction.org which has a page on Gardasil which includes a link to a case review form:

http://www.classaction.org/gardasil.html

classaction.org reports on this page that several lawsuits have been filed.

Here is a link to report at FDA website dated March 13, 2012.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AdvisoryCommittees/CommitteesMeetingMaterials/PediatricAdvisoryCommittee/UCM302352.pdf

Apparently the typical pharmaceutical lawsuit cycle is just getting started for this product.


15 posted on 05/01/2012 9:39:00 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Mama Shawna

Of course, I am not making any representations about classaction.org or it’s owners or affiliates.

I ain’t a lawyer !

I just found those links, thought you might find them useful.

Oh, the pdf file, remember, when you open the pdf file you can search in it. If you search for the word diabetes you’ll find the counts for it; pancreatitis is right above it in the list.

God bless.


16 posted on 05/01/2012 9:43:49 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Nifster

Well you are wrong about that.


17 posted on 05/01/2012 9:44:08 PM PDT by JRochelle (Note to the MSM: Unemployment has been higher under every month of Obama than any month under Bush.)
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To: JRochelle

“Insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (IDDM) is a medical term that describes diabetes mellitus that requires insulin therapy to avoid ketoacidosis. IDDM is often considered a synonym for juvenile diabetes mellitus and type 1 diabetes mellitus, though the three terms are not entirely congruent:
Juvenile diabetes is considered an unsatisfactory and somewhat obsolete term because type 1 diabetes can develop in adults, and type 2 can occur in children.
IDDM includes type 1 diabetes, but as type 2 diabetes progresses, in some people it may reach a degree of insulin deficiency that requires insulin treatment.”


18 posted on 05/01/2012 9:46:26 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mama Shawna

I really doubt that he had total pancreatic failure. If he did he would be required to take all kinds of supplements to help him digest fats and other foods. He would also be so sick he would reqiire hospitalization. I know this firsthand as I was hospitalized with pancreatitis for 5 months last year and was placed on a ventilator for two weeks. The pancreas also has specific cells in it that secrete insulin, They are called schwan cells. The death of these cells cause insulin dependant diabetes. I’m an RN and the hot topic lately is that this is caused by an autoimmune response where your body attacks these schwan cells and therefore there is no insulin production. I have not heard about any gardasil problems with the pancreas. If a problem showed up it would most likley be with the liver as it is the body’s most important organ and cleanses the body of all its poisions that it produces just by living. My prayers are with this young boy and I wish him well. There is also alot of hope with stem cell injections to produce new schwan cells that this family should look into. God Bless


19 posted on 05/01/2012 9:47:22 PM PDT by timlilje
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To: Nifster

My brother’s pancreas worked for a while, then quit. At 2 y.o.

What’s more interesting is that occasionally his pancreas functions (for part of a night), and it causes the worst problems ever (low blood sugar).

I really don’t think this is the vaccination causing this. It’s just the way Juvenile Diabetes sets in. One day you are OK, the next day you are insulin dependent for the rest of your life.

My brother had zero vaccinations at 2 y.o. He is lucky and is now at the age of 34, thanks to the technology of the insulin pump. I hope one day integrated blood sugar monitoring and insulin delivery systems can give him something even closer to a normal life. The occasional ultra low blood sugars are just scary.

As for Gardasil, I will give it to my kids when I have them. Even if my kids are angels, they may end marrying someone who was not such an angel, and HPV is a very insidious virus, and kills lots of women via cervical cancer, and has the potential to trigger cancers in males as well.

Because the virus itself is so stealthy, carriers usually don’t even know they have it. People usually discover it as a source of their tumors or genital warts years after they are infected.

Since the founding of this nation, each year, more and more people experiment with sex. If you find the perfect virgin mate, good for you! But many won’t, and they should protect themselves, since the protection is now available.


20 posted on 05/01/2012 9:52:18 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: JRochelle

The pancreas does not need to completely fail to cause diabetes, only the area called “The Islets of Langerhans”.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 9:56:22 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: hocndoc

Gardasil is given to both males and females. The female-only version of the vaccine is called Cervarix.


22 posted on 05/01/2012 9:56:26 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: higgmeister
>> Why would a 14 year old boy be given this injection!? Am I missing something here <<


I reckon you must HATE the 10th amendment and don't understand STATES rights. Or you just don't have a heart.

< /perrybot mode>

23 posted on 05/01/2012 10:05:04 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Kirkwood

Cervarix is another HPV vaccine *brand.* It is not a “female only version.”


24 posted on 05/01/2012 10:06:54 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: Mama Shawna
1. Does Gardasil contain Squalene...?

2. Noticed some report a few days ago about young people getting type II diabetes and not responding to treatment.

25 posted on 05/01/2012 10:11:37 PM PDT by spokeshave (If Obama is Lenin....who are Trotsky and Stalin...?)
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To: Mama Shawna

Wow, wonder what went wrong here? /S

Prayers for the kid and his family.


26 posted on 05/01/2012 10:20:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Aqua225

My wife deals with this as well. Sometimes her pancreas will “wake up” just long enough to send her sugars to the basement. She is also a brittle diabetic. It means she can swing 50+ points very quickly.

She is also starting to have stomach problems with processing much of anything. Takes a drug store to keep things working properly in her stomach. But even then there are days where nothing works and things kinda back up in there.

My wife ended up with type 1 during a hospital stay. She went in for surgery on her ankle. They suspect they gave her to many steroids and that is what triggered the onset.

Regardless today she lives with a accucheck pump, dexcom blood sugar monitor and a very limited diet.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 10:22:53 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: spokeshave

http://www.natap.org/2007/newsUpdates/012207_04.htm

Both vaccines contain adjuvants. I won’t give my cats vaccines that have adjuvants, so I can’t imagine giving a human child ANY vaccine whatsoever that contains adjuvants. (It’s well known that cat vaccines with adjuvants are causing an epidemic of hyperthyroidism and injection-site carcinomas.)


28 posted on 05/01/2012 10:46:30 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: higgmeister

why the hell should a 14 yro girl get this injection?....


29 posted on 05/01/2012 10:52:54 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Mama Shawna

A lot of girls have life long problems from Gardasil, and some are dead.

Do. Not. Vaccinate. Your kids with this.


30 posted on 05/01/2012 11:50:41 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: cherry
why the hell should a 14 yro girl get this injection?....

Because our Western Civilization is crashing around us?

31 posted on 05/01/2012 11:52:28 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: so_real

Yeah, VAERS is really your best source of vaccine information. The gardasil vaccine is seriously bad news.


32 posted on 05/02/2012 1:58:18 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Aqua225

So you figure your boys will be at risk for anal cancer??? This young MAN unless homosexual has no need for gardasil.

Frankly the truth is that annual pap smears and monogamy in a relationship will do more to protect from cervical cancer than anything else. If you think that gardasil is a good vaccine you ought to do a bit more research about it’s effectiveness and what exactly it protects against. Truth is people have been sold a bill of goods on this one.....kind of like the hep B vaccine.


33 posted on 05/02/2012 2:06:41 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Mama Shawna
total pancreatic failure? How? Acute pancreatitis can be caused by certain medicines, including alcohol and also from gall stones. That can leave you with diabetes

But you seem to be describing type I diabetes which is thought to be an autoimmune reaction to a virus.

This British study shows no increase in the rate of type I diabetes or other autoimmune problems link

the vaccine is a good one, especially since we docs have seen an epidemic of promiscuity associated cervical cancer since I started medicine in the 1960's...alas, even if your daughter is a virgin there is no guarantee she will marry a virgin, and of course date rape is too commmon...which is why Focus on the Family recommends it for girls.

Boys getting a girls' dose shouldn't be a problem...

there is a lot of vaccine hysteria out there, mostly by folks who aren't old enough to remember what the actual diseases looked like. It seems to be more similar to the "witch hysteria" of the 1500's or the anti communist hysteria of the 1920's; a real problem but blown way out of proportion to the extent that the hysteria damage is much worse than the worry itself.

I've worked in Africa and we saw all of them, which is why I'm pro vaccine.

34 posted on 05/02/2012 3:01:10 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: spokeshave

young people are getting type II diabetes because they are too fat. Period.

Type I diabetes is probably from a virus that makes the body produce immune reactions against the part of the pancreas that produces insulin.

Personally, I think pollution and plastic and modern fatty foods are behind the obesity epidemic that has even hit us here in the Philippines. On the other hand, the alternative of living a “natural” life can be overblown. As my husband reminds me: You are only poor if you are hungry, and he remembers the good old days when there wasn’t enough food.


35 posted on 05/02/2012 3:05:06 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: cableguymn

My wife ended up with type 1 during a hospital stay. She went in for surgery on her ankle. They suspect they gave her to many steroids and that is what triggered the onset_______________________________________________________My husband was treated with steroids for a medical condition and developed diabetes. The doctor said “we were afraid this would happen” but we were not warned about the possibility.
If you have any family history of diabetes and will be taking steroids, know that they can kick off diabetes in you too.


36 posted on 05/02/2012 3:11:18 AM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: All

sometimes vaccines can cause a fatal hemorrhagic
pancreatitis...usually soon after the vaccine is given


37 posted on 05/02/2012 4:17:54 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: CharlotteVRWC

check this article about gardisil and pancreatitis

http://www.naturalnews.com/024233_vaccine_Gardasil_girls.html


38 posted on 05/02/2012 4:42:52 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: hocndoc; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

thanks hocndoc, hey all:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2878846/posts?page=4#4


39 posted on 05/02/2012 4:44:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Mama Shawna

Juvie diabetes is thought to be caused by viruses.


40 posted on 05/02/2012 5:03:55 AM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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here is another report linking guardisil and pancreatitis.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-fda-gardasil-records-detailing-26-new-reported-deaths/

Judicial Watch Uncovers FDA Gardasil Records Detailing 26 New Reported Deaths

October 19, 2011 | No Comments

Other Adverse Reactions Include: Seizures, Paralysis, Blindness, Pancreatitis, Speech Problems and Short Term Memory Loss

Contact Information:
Press Office 202-646-5172, ext 305

Washington, DC — October 19, 2011

Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has received new documents from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), detailing reports of adverse reactions to the vaccination for human papillomavirus (HPV), Gardasil. The adverse reaction reports detail 26 new deaths reported between September 1, 2010 and September 15, 2011 as well as incidents of seizures, paralysis, blindness, PANCREATITIS , speech problems, short term memory loss and Guillain-Barré Syndrome. The documents come from the FDA’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) which is used by the FDA to monitor the safety of vaccines. The documents were obtained pursuant to a September 15, 2011 FOIA request for reports made from September 1, 2010 through September 15, 2011.

CONT....


41 posted on 05/02/2012 5:16:33 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: Mama Shawna

What is dumb is paying big bucks for something that MAY prevent a disease but the individual will never know that it worked.


42 posted on 05/02/2012 6:01:10 AM PDT by CPOSharky (The only thing straight, white, Christian males get is the blame for everything.)
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To: Nifster

You are wrong about doctors not using the term juvenile.

They do, all the time.


43 posted on 05/02/2012 7:02:55 AM PDT by JRochelle (Note to the MSM: Unemployment has been higher under every month of Obama than any month under Bush.)
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Thanks for the great replies and links everyone. I’m going to ask him for his email and send him the link to this page. GREAT info, and also very WORRYING info.


44 posted on 05/02/2012 8:12:38 AM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: Nifster

Nifster,

Gardasil can protect against 90% of genital warts cases for males.

Generally speaking, male genitalia are not found in their anuses. I would recommend a good read on human anatomy so you can learn where male genitalia are, I wasn’t aware that you had no idea where male genitals are found. Sometimes I make assumptions about the information my readers have on tap from which they can form their arguments.

If you marry a woman who has not kept her chastity, and then have sex with her, and you do not have the HPV vaccine, you have great potential for genetial warts, if her last partner had HPV.


45 posted on 05/02/2012 8:47:53 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Aqua225
“If you marry a woman who has not kept her chastity, and then have sex with her, and you do not have the HPV vaccine, you have great potential for genital warts, if her last partner had HPV.”

Several years ago, we had our daughter vaccinated with Gardacil after discussing it with her physician and several physician friends of ours who also have daughters of the same age. But the decision was not at all obvious, given the known side effects of this vaccine, the fact that HPV is ubiquitous in the population, and the fact that cervical cancer is very rare.

As for giving the vaccine to boys, I would have to know more about the prevalence of HPV-related cancers in men. I suspect, but do not know, that it is lower than the prevalence of HPV-related cancers in women.

46 posted on 05/02/2012 12:12:58 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: JRochelle

The docs I know ( who happen to specialize in the treatment) do not and have not for years.

Doesn’t matter. You ignored the quoted statement that explained why it is not the preferred or even usual term.

None of it really matters unless of course one is suffering from insulin dependent type diabetes


47 posted on 05/02/2012 2:07:12 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Aqua225

Interestingly enough it is the Merck website that promotes Gardasil for men to prevent anal cancers... and for those active in the homosexual community I would think that might be something they would consider.

Your snarky response only shows your lack of information


48 posted on 05/02/2012 2:15:00 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Either you have anal on the brain, or you are unable to completely read the website.

“In boys and young men ages 9 to 26, GARDASIL helps protect against 90% of genital warts cases.”

Copied right from the site.

Really, you should read the material on their website before focusing on anuses.


49 posted on 05/02/2012 6:24:49 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: hocndoc

Cervarix is for females only. Read the package insert.


50 posted on 05/02/2012 6:49:31 PM PDT by Kirkwood (It's not a lie. It's a composite.)
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