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Lesser of Two Evils (vanity)
Sopater

Posted on 05/02/2012 11:39:55 AM PDT by Sopater

We often hear people say "hold your nose and select the lesser of the two evils". However, if we look at the bigger picture, which is really the lesser evil of the two?

1. Obama for 4 more years and teach the GOP the lesson that they evidently didn't learn in 2008.

2. Romney for 8 years, assuming he doesn't hand it back to the Democrats in 2016.


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1 posted on 05/02/2012 11:40:00 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Yeah right. Losing will teach the Republicans a lesson like in GHWB, Dole, McCain. Four more years of Obama is more than I can stand.


2 posted on 05/02/2012 11:42:44 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Sopater

The alternative would be for more people to hold their nose and vote for your candidate. Romney received more votes than anyone else. I held my nose in 2008. This time I won’t have to. Romney was not my first choice but he’ll do a marvelous job.


3 posted on 05/02/2012 11:43:10 AM PDT by Mustang Driver
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To: Sopater

If romney loses, the rino establishment republicans will say he was to conservative. You can’t fix stupid.


4 posted on 05/02/2012 11:43:29 AM PDT by Pirsig289
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To: Sopater

As I remember (and my memory goes back at least as far as 2008), that was the theory for voting for Obama rather than McCain. Didn’t work out so well for the country.

Just my first $.02


5 posted on 05/02/2012 11:45:26 AM PDT by Pecos (In God we trust. All others - bring data.)
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To: Sopater

I cant stomach the thought of our troops saluting Obama for another four years. Also, Obama wont have another election to ‘keep him in check’, no one to please but his handlers.

At least with the other guy he will have to pander for four years so there is a minute chance of manipulating right.

Obama is the evil of two lessers.

Plus, hoping the GOP learns is like any other hoping for change. We were told four years ago Obama winning would ‘teach’ the GOP a lesson.


6 posted on 05/02/2012 11:45:43 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Sopater

Very original post.


7 posted on 05/02/2012 11:46:44 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: bkepley

I remember in 2008 I was called a McCain shill and told if McCain won then it would be worse than 0bama and if 0bama won we would get the next Reagan in 2012.


8 posted on 05/02/2012 11:46:48 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Sopater

I say to Ye... Better vote for ROMNEY, or OBAMA will end anything economically, and politically, that is against the state as soon as term 2 starts....


9 posted on 05/02/2012 11:47:19 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Sopater

I'm going to go with the one on the right since it appears to be the lesser of the two weevils. Of course I tend to vote right wing so that isn't a surprise. I just hope they don't accuse me of being a racist for not picking the black weevil.
10 posted on 05/02/2012 11:47:19 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Pirsig289
the rino establishment republicans will say he was to conservative

Not to mention the MSM whose smug satisfaction would drive me absolutely nuts.

11 posted on 05/02/2012 11:48:13 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

conservatives may never vote again


12 posted on 05/02/2012 11:49:07 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Sopater
I say that there is a case to be made that Hillary is less evil than Obama. Maybe the GOP should have favored her, because they know they can count on the votes of some people for anyone that has an R beside their name. And she would have pulled in the liberal feminists.

Thanks, I won't ever vote for a liberal, and that includes Romney. ABL Anyone but liberals.

/johnny

13 posted on 05/02/2012 11:49:28 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sopater

Let’s teach the country a lesson. Obama gets 4 more years and the chance to appoint another Sotomayor or Kagan. Yeah, that’ll teach ‘em (us).


14 posted on 05/02/2012 11:49:39 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Sopater

Scalia - 76
Kennedy - 75
Ginsburg - 79
Breyer - 73

Who knows what kind of person Romney would appoint...

...but I know exactly what kind of person Obama would appoint.

I’d say there is a good chance at least one justice will be appointed in the next 4 years...meaning O has the possibility of leaving his marxist imprint on a third of the court.

I remember Bush put up a woman who was not qualified...and through pressure, she asked not to be considered. I hold out hope that the same could happen with a Romney nominee....no such chances with O.


15 posted on 05/02/2012 11:49:55 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Pecos
voting for Obama rather than McCain

I don't think any conservative voted for Obama rather than McCain. I think they just stayed home and watched the country choose their favorite evil.
16 posted on 05/02/2012 11:51:03 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

It is a far greater thing we do (losing to a punk commie who wants to gut the last of the Republic) then allowing a conservative with tried and true principles of economics to become President. Someone who may actually restore America to its once greatness. Hang em high!


17 posted on 05/02/2012 11:54:14 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Sopater

There is no such thing as the ‘lesser of two evils’. Both are still evil.


18 posted on 05/02/2012 11:55:35 AM PDT by reaganaut (There is no such thing as the 'lesser of two evils'. Both are still evil. Romney = Obama)
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To: Leep

Oh, when I say, “conservative” I didn’t mean the Rommunist who hopes to be the next King either.


19 posted on 05/02/2012 11:55:47 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Sopater

I say then none of the above. If you don’t vote for the person who represents your views, your views will be unknown and you will have wasted your vote.


20 posted on 05/02/2012 11:56:13 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: lacrew
Who knows what kind of person Romney would appoint...

Do you really want to know, or are you content to hope for the best?

Romney’s Record on Judicial and Legal Appointments
21 posted on 05/02/2012 11:56:17 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

I think we all agree that we dont want four more years of Obama. And to me there is no decernable difference between Obama and Romney.

So to rephrase, I dont want four more years of Obama / Romney.

So I am going to vote Goode for the top of the ballot and vote GOP down ballot.


22 posted on 05/02/2012 11:57:46 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: lacrew
Oops, goofed up the link:

Romney’s Record on Judicial and Legal Appointments
23 posted on 05/02/2012 11:59:21 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: lacrew

Romney has a history of appointing liberal judges. Obama has a history of appointing liberal judges .... so what is the difference?


24 posted on 05/02/2012 11:59:57 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Sopater

If Myth Romney or Noot had b*lls, they would challenge Bambi’s eligibility.

Neither one of them has dared to even bring the subject up which means that neither one believes in the Constitution.


25 posted on 05/02/2012 12:00:01 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: ex-snook
If you don’t vote for the person who represents your views, your views will be unknown and you will have wasted your vote.

I'v been saying that for years. Thanks for showing some good sense.

God bless you.
26 posted on 05/02/2012 12:01:18 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

You might have an argument if it was the less liberal Clinton that we were trying to foist from office. But when it comes to the apocalyptic Obama it is not even close.I do not care how much one detests Romney, this nation cannot withstand another 4 years of Obama. Getting rid of the destructive cancer is much more important than learning any lessons about nominating RINOs.


27 posted on 05/02/2012 12:02:30 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: Sopater

>>>What say ye?

Choosing the lesser of two evils is still a choice for evil.


28 posted on 05/02/2012 12:03:13 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Keith in Iowa; reaganaut

I agree, 100%. Neither can expect to get my vote.


29 posted on 05/02/2012 12:07:27 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: lacrew

Even if you threw every other reason out, that right there is enough to vote for Romney. People say Romney might appoint a liberal judge, well, maybe, but Obama will appoint a Marxist fellow traveller, double GD guaranteed. All it takes is one, replacing one of the 5, and following elections will be irrelevant.
I fail to see any positive in Barry getting another four. It will be devastating beyond imagination.


30 posted on 05/02/2012 12:08:33 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: Sopater

Let’s be adults here. Romney is clearly no conservative but I don’t believe he is a racist and I don’t believe he hates America (both of which I believe are true regarding Obama). If Obama is re-elected he can block any true corrections unless we have veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress. I hope and pray that Romney will not get in the way of vitally needed fixes if he is elected.

That being said, it is clearly time for a 3rd, conservative, party. It would be suicide to run a candidate now (think Ross Perot) but we have to make sure there is a real alternative choice for America in 2016.

In the interim, what would happen if 50-60 conservative members of the House suddenly left Republican party and declared themselves as a new party? (I like Constitution Party.) Wouldn’t this give true conservatives the bargaining power they don’t have now? The remaining RINOS would no longer be the majority party and could only retain power if the “Constitution Party” caucused with them. This would allow the “Constitution Party” to have veto power over the Republicans (have to be realistic) chosen for leadership positions. This would allow us to force out the spineless jellyfish we have now (you know who they are).


31 posted on 05/02/2012 12:10:06 PM PDT by PTBAA
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To: Sopater
"Mitt Romney is still a pro-choice democrat, and admits it on his own website"
32 posted on 05/02/2012 12:10:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Obama/Romney math: 0+0=0)
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To: Sopater

Obama is far far too dangerous to be given another 4 years.

Just remember the hot-mike promise he gave on his latest trip to Russia to put things in perspective.


33 posted on 05/02/2012 12:20:22 PM PDT by kidd
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To: bkepley
Yeah right. Losing will teach the Republicans a lesson like in GHWB, Dole, McCain. Four more years of Obama is more than I can stand.

Yep.

34 posted on 05/02/2012 12:29:44 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Sopater


35 posted on 05/02/2012 12:30:11 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: chuckee
I do not care how much one detests Romney, this nation cannot withstand another 4 years of Obama

OMG, it will be the end if Obama wins again!!!!! These scare tactics are getting old.

To all those who would vote for Mitt, please realize one thing -- the destination is exactly the same.

People are deluding themselves if they think Mitt will do anything to turn our Republic towards Liberty.

The end-game is being played out. The Statists in both parties are in firm control.

What the Statist don't realize is that Socialism can NEVER work over the long term (read the collective works of Ludwig Von Mises)

The reality is it's too late to stop the trajectory to the Socialist end. But the good news is that within a few years people will clearly see that government is truly evil, incompetent and must be rolled back. That will be the new reality.

With Mitt elected, little will change except that Conservatives will get all the blame for the ills of government. The MSM, Democrats, GOP-e, Rove, Rinos, etc will ALL Blame Conservatives. They will say the "severe" right-wing Conservative Mitt is "weakening" government.

All the while government will grow relentlessly under Mitt. Domestically, Mitt would be Bush on steroids.

Under Mitt' no only would you have enhanced No Child left Behind, you would have No Carbon Credits Left Behind, No Liberal Judges Left Behind, No RomneyCare redux Left Behind, No Big Statist Idea Left Behind.

Nothing at all in Mitt's actual record in government indicates any love of Liberty. His world view is one of increasing the power of the State. Mitt is likely scheming to have some grand program that will be "his legacy." That is what really drives Mitt -- his enormous ego. Statist always believe they are right in using the power of the State to bend the individual to their world view.

I will NEVER cast a vote anyone who worships at the Alter of State Power. I will not betray our Constitution and my love of Liberty.

36 posted on 05/02/2012 12:30:27 PM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: Sopater

In the United States, anyone who proposes there are only two possible choices isn’t bright enough to be asking any questions.


37 posted on 05/02/2012 12:49:16 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Sopater
The greater evil is Obama.

If you vote for th e lesser evil, you are still voting for evil. But if you vote for the good that has no chance, you are voting for the greater evil.

In our system, there are only two choices. This year they are Obama and Romney, curse the luck.

Only in the primaries do we have a chance to place a true conservative on the ticket, and we missed that chance this year.

So we suck it up and vote for Romney and hope we can pressure him to the right, or live 4 more years with Obama.

But, to be honest, I judge no one for sitting it out, or voting 3rd party. Someone once said that he'd rather be right than be President, and it's a legitimate choice. I admire it.

I've said in the past that I would vote for no more “moderate” Republicans. Yet when push comes to shove, I don't know that I can do it. I haven't made up my mind yet. Fortunately, I live in Alabama which will go for Romney no mater how I vote, so I can salve my conscience a little. My vote is basically symbolic, so I have to decide what symbol I want to make.

Best of luck to all who are wrestling with this question, and to all who have resolved it to their satisfaction.

38 posted on 05/02/2012 1:03:32 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Sopater

New Tagline...


39 posted on 05/02/2012 1:05:49 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("The lesser of two evils is, by definition, evil." - Josh Painter)
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To: reaganaut

Actually, there is such a thing as the lesser of two evils. For instance, the choice of going to war, when done rightly, always involves the judgement that the evils inherent in war are less than the evils of permitting the circumstance that occasioned the war to go on unchecked. We Orthodox have a canonical penance to be applied to those who kill in war, and I’m sure it’s applied to those who kill in self-defense, but it is far lighter than the canonical penance for murder. Homicide is always evil: justifiable homicides are those cases in which the evil of homicide is the lesser of two evils. Stealing food is evil, but it may be the lesser of two evils if otherwise one’s children will starve, and so forth.

Likewise to political candidates, there are greater evils (for instance doctrinaire post-colonialist multiculturalist Red-diaper babies whose instincts lead to genuinely harmful decisions on essentially every issue) and lesser evils (for instance squishy convictionless centrists who stake out leftish positions on some issues to be thought progressive, but occasionally get things right).


40 posted on 05/02/2012 1:08:36 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: MrEdd
In the United States, anyone who proposes there are only two possible choices isn’t bright enough to be asking any questions.

I agree, I'm simply stating the two most-likely "outcomes" of the 2012 election. I'd be very surprised if someone besides Obama or Romney is president a year from now... but it could happen.
41 posted on 05/02/2012 1:26:29 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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Romney was able to appoint liberals in MA, because it was...well..Massachussetts. He was probably encouraged and rewarded for doing so.

He would have a much tougher time doing that as president.

All I know is that one more nomination from Obama could seal our fate for the next 25 years. A quarter century, in which states rights, abuse of commerce clause, made up abortion rights, etc. will not suffer the scrutiny of a supreme court case. That’s a guarantee. A second term Obama would nominate somebody to the left of Ginsburg.


42 posted on 05/02/2012 1:35:22 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Sopater

I believe your first mistake is thinking you can teach the GOP a “lesson” by not voting. Contrary to how that may sound I’m not advising to simply vote (R)...

We’re at that time, IMHO, when it comes down to principles over party. It’s clear to me that the GOP-e are just as much at fault for many of the problems we as a country are facing as the Dems - and are, in fact, a part of the same “DC Cartel”.

That said, I’m not suggesting everyone flock to a 3rd party, or a 3rd party candidate, either... I’m really not sure WHAT I would advise as I’m still searching my heart and mind as well.

Just remember - individual votes don’t as much matter to the GOP, and a “choice” really isn’t a “choice” if there is no other viable option (see; McCain).


43 posted on 05/02/2012 1:40:42 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Josh Painter

Very nice... and true.


44 posted on 05/02/2012 1:42:10 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: LibertyRocks
I believe your first mistake is thinking you can teach the GOP a “lesson” by not voting. Contrary to how that may sound I’m not advising to simply vote (R)...

I think that it is obvious that you CANNOT teach the GOP any lesson by not voting. You have to vote 3rd party or write-in for your voice to be heard. When you stay home and don't vote, you leave it to the pundits and media to speculate on what you were really thinking, and they ALWAYS get it wrong.
45 posted on 05/02/2012 1:47:15 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: lacrew
I remember Bush put up a woman who was not qualified...and through pressure, she asked not to be considered. I hold out hope that the same could happen with a Romney nominee....no such chances with O.

This is the primary reason that I will vote for Mittens. I know us conservatives have no choice but we are boxed in. If there is any hope for the future we must rid ourselves of the bastard now in power. If Mittens were with CONgress to defeat ObamaCare & nominate a conservative SC judge he will have served a great deal & if he doesn't then maybe we will be strong enough to put up challenger. Who knows, the world might be in a deep depression in 4 yrs.

46 posted on 05/02/2012 2:24:43 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: The_Reader_David

Do you also believe there are degrees of sin? I don’t all sin is abhorrent to God - He does not ‘grade on a curve’.


47 posted on 05/02/2012 3:00:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (I am a Christian first, a Conservative second and am out of the GOP if Romney gets in.)
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To: taxcontrol
"Obama has a history of appointing liberal judges .... so what is the difference?"

Obama does NOT have a history of appointing liberal judges. He has a history of appointing Marxist puppets.

48 posted on 05/02/2012 6:45:18 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: PTBAA
"what would happen if 50-60 conservative members of the House suddenly left Republican party and declared themselves as a new party? (I like Constitution Party.) Wouldn’t this give true conservatives the bargaining power they don’t have now?"

No, it would give the Democrats control of the House.

49 posted on 05/02/2012 6:48:54 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: reaganaut

All sin is abhorrent to God, but not all sins are equally destructive of human society, not all sins are equally hard to repent of. “Be ye perfect as your Father is Heaven is perfect” is the ultimate standard as Our Lord said, or, as the Greek Fathers say of salvation in Christ, “What He is by nature, we are to become by grace.”

When you clean your house, any dirt left behind means it is not clean, but a quart of used motor-oil spilled on the wall-to-wall carpet is much worse (in the sense of being harder to get rid of and more odious to the guests who are about to arrive) than a dust-bunny under the sofa in the parlor. So, too, it is with sin (remembering that our goal is, by laying hold of Christ’s grace and the gift of the Holy Spirit, to be sinless), some are harder to get rid of and more odious, if not to God, then to our fellow men made in His image, in whom we are to see Christ.


50 posted on 05/02/2012 7:54:57 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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