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Red Sox sellout streak a real numbers game
Boston Globe ^

Posted on 05/04/2012 7:49:15 AM PDT by raccoonradio

Tickets given away help keep team's record alive

At 9:35 p.m. Wednesday, in the seventh inning of a game against the Oakland A’s, the Red Sox cut off ticket sales at Fenway Park with an estimated 300 seats unsold, according to a Globe gate-by-gate review and interviews with team executives.

At 10:19 p.m., the Sox announced the game was sold out. Seconds later, they said they had extended their sellout streak to 723 games, the longest in the history of Major League Baseball.

But had Fenway Park really sold out all 37,495 seats?

The answer, it seems, depends on how you define “sellout.’’

In a sequence of events that raised questions about the authenticity of the prized streak, the Sox stopped selling tickets for the game first at the ticket office on Yawkey Way when the game began, then at Gate E an hour later, and finally at Gate A deep into the game, with a sales clerk telling a Globe correspondent at each closing that tickets remained available.

The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a sellout as “something for which all tickets are sold.’’

The Sox embrace an alternate definition that permits them to declare a game sold out even if hundreds of tickets go unsold but others are distributed for free.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Sports
KEYWORDS: redsox; sellout
When is a sellout streak not a sellout streak?...I have been to Prog. Field in Cleveland (formerly Jacobs Field) and one "retired number" was "455--The Fans". This referred to a sellout streak there. Fenway supposedly has very much surpassed that...but does given-away tickets really mean SOLD out?

I can remember before the sellout streak you'd hear Joe "CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!" Castiglione say "good seats are still available if you're in the neighborhood"

1 posted on 05/04/2012 7:49:17 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

(Go YANKEES)


2 posted on 05/04/2012 7:51:09 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: raccoonradio

for later


4 posted on 05/04/2012 7:52:37 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: raccoonradio
Do you believe? /sarc.


5 posted on 05/04/2012 7:53:04 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: raccoonradio

I recently found out that they hold around 500 tickets so you can just go the day of the game and when the b.o. opens you can get tickets right then and there.


6 posted on 05/04/2012 7:54:36 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: raccoonradio

Does their guy moonlight at the Department of Labor cranking out the unemployment number? I suppose the case could be made for exempting the obstructed view seats from the sellout count, considering their sale to count towards SRO as opposed to sellout.


7 posted on 05/04/2012 7:57:44 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: TheRhinelander

Yes and I guess they’re advertising SRO—yes, that’s standing room only—tickets for games. Trying to squeeze as much money as possible...but if these non-sellouts are really true, one actually could get a seat after all if they tried, and don’t bother with the SRO. (Am guessing SRO tickets cost a little less?) I haven’t been to
Fenway since 98. One of these days...

In 94 the year of the strike I went to a Fri night game vs. Cle. which wound up getting called off after 2.5 hours of rain, not a pitch was thrown at all. I talked to some people from Cle. who came to see their Tribe play at Fenway. “We can’t get into Jacobs Field. Sold out.” The Tribe was hot that year—then came the strike. Because of the strike I just wound up getting a refund for my ticket.


8 posted on 05/04/2012 7:58:44 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio; Andonius_99; Andy'smom; Antique Gal; Big Guy and Rusty 99; bitt; Barset; ...
Howie Carr list ping. There is no joy in Shillville.


9 posted on 05/04/2012 8:01:49 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

I’m guessing “sellout” is an evolving paradigm.


10 posted on 05/04/2012 8:06:36 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

One of the comments from the article:
>>The con is on. Sellout streak implies that the demand is greater than the supply, which in turn gives the illusion that the product is in fact better than it is, which makes ignorant people desire that product more.
It will be fun watching them try to keep up this charade as the empty seats expand throughout the season. I would have more sympathy for them if I truly believed that they did anything that was in the best interest of the fans. But I believe their own interests and benefits come first.
I don’t care about the ballpark renovations and the bloated payrolls. None of it means anything when we have to pay the highest ticket prices in the league to sit in the most uncomfortable ballpark to watch the most boring and ludicrous baseball team that 175M can buy.


11 posted on 05/04/2012 8:09:55 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
Howie Carr once mentioned that the posters, stickers, etc in the office/booth of a host on the all-sports station. Grown men who are supposed to be neutral have posters of athletes similar to the bedroom of a 15-year old boy.
12 posted on 05/04/2012 8:10:04 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: raccoonradio

Yes, SRO tix are around $20 I think. You just get one of those and find a vacant seat somewhere. There’s always plenty.


13 posted on 05/04/2012 8:14:57 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: ConservativeStatement

Ha...and as I like to point out:

—The Sports Hub: For 35 yr old men still living in their
mom’s basement.
—WEEI: For 50 yr old men still living in their mom’s
basement.
(The Whiner Line on the Big Show is kinda funny though—
rip off of the Chump Line)


14 posted on 05/04/2012 8:15:48 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: TheRhinelander

Was thinking that too—and here I am telling a friend from Akron who likes to come to Boston once or twice a year “you could try to get Red Sox tix but I hear they’re sold out way in advance”. But as more and more empty seats showed up
on TV, it became apparent it’s a sham.

Last game I went to Fenway was in 98. I forget the ticket prices but roof box seats may have been $30-35 at the time
(I was in reserved grandstand, maybe $20? but had attended some games in the roof boxes)
(Plus: you get your own concession stand and bathroom up top; Minus: Can get chilly). This was before the Monster seats and right field upper box.


15 posted on 05/04/2012 8:19:25 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
A friend told me he put on the FM sports station recently and heard the host(s) say “Tim Thomas is a dick” about a half dozen times in a minute. Bizarre.
16 posted on 05/04/2012 8:22:30 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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A friend told me he put on the FM sports station recently and heard the host(s) say “Tim Thomas is a dick” about a half dozen times in a minute. Bizarre.

That's why Limbaugh derisively refers to them as "FM Types".
17 posted on 05/04/2012 8:25:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ConservativeStatement

Which one—The Sports Hub or WEEI? It sounds like Sports Hub—I guess one of their hosts keeps saying “...sucks” etc. ad infinitum.

Sports Hub (CBS) debuted in Aug of 2009 (Pats, Bruins). WEEI (Sox, C’s) could have also done an FM simulcast at the time but waited.
After Sports Hub challenged them in the ratings, they finally went to FM (93.7) last Sept., just in time for the big collapse. At least I can hear all 4 major sports teams at work now (FM signal better...Howie wants to go to FM too
if it all possible)


18 posted on 05/04/2012 8:29:57 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: TheRhinelander

b. o.??? box office?


19 posted on 05/04/2012 8:36:14 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the community…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: STD

Yes, sir!


20 posted on 05/04/2012 8:39:28 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: raccoonradio

What about Moneyball, didn’t REd Sox buy into the theory? Did Brad Pitt 9fawning) not save the Red Sox and re-invent the game with that fat Jewish guy? Come on, say it ain’t so Joe!


21 posted on 05/04/2012 8:40:47 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the community…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: raccoonradio

I do not know the call letters but it is not the one that removed Mike FM (WEEI).

1510 was much better as a national sports entry in the market rather than the pinko outlet it became.

If Carr does change affiliates, I hope he maintains a similar time slot.


22 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:16 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: raccoonradio
"I’m guessing “sellout” is an evolving paradigm."

Pretty much, figures lie and liars figure. Ohio State for example counts attendance as everyone inside the football stadium. Players, coaches, band, workers, media, and vendors. The sacred 102,000 + attendance figures are inflated. Just like the 0ne's job numbers.

23 posted on 05/04/2012 9:13:36 AM PDT by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Yes, then we’re talking about The Sports Hub 98.5 whose call letters are WBZ-FM. Both WBZ AM (1030) and FM are owned by CBS and before Sports Hub, the B’s aired on WBZ-AM (pre-empting talk) and the Pats on WBCN (104.1). In 09,
CBS moved “Mix 98.5” to 104.1 and shuttled WBCN off to
HD radio, streamcasts, etc. 98.5 became sports.

Yup on 1510—and btw they run Red Sox games in Spanish
(often at night), pissing off liberal talk fans.

I also hope Howie would keep the same time slot. You could
picture Eagan and Braude, then Doug Meehan or Michael Graham; Smerconish, Howie 3-7, then maybe Graham or Meehan
after Howie (or bump Smerc. to that slot). Doug Meehan
(formerly of Ch 7, Ch 25) is auditioning for Regis Philbin’s TV job so who knows, he could disappear off to NY.


24 posted on 05/04/2012 9:27:02 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: buckalfa

Yes...Sam Kennedy (now there’s a name you associate with
Boston) of the Red Sox front office was on Red Sox flagship station WEEI an hour ago to do a bit of damage control. They claim it does sell out, night of the game, or comes close.
But they do consider it a sellout.


25 posted on 05/04/2012 9:29:12 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

You wouldn’t believe whats passes for sellouts in the NBA.


26 posted on 05/04/2012 9:36:06 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: raccoonradio; All

Sox VP Kennedy on M&M: Sellout streak legit

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21196911/sox-vp-kennedy-mm-sellout-streak-legit

>>Red Sox executive vice president/chief operating officer Sam Kennedy joined the Mut & Merloni show Friday morning to talk about the Red Sox’ sellout streak. The Red Sox say they have sold out every game since May 15, 2003, a run of 723 consecutive games. However, a Boston Globe story Friday questioned the validity of the streak, noting that seats are being sold or given away well after games start and a Fenway ticket-seller confirmed after a game this week that tickets remained when the final booth was closed.

>>”We’ve been screaming from the mountaintops for the last seven or eight years that we have tickets for sale for every game at Fenway, and they’re available on a day-game purchase at Gate E,” Kennedy said. “It’s kind of ironic, this story this morning is sort of as predictable as the cold and rainy weather in Boston. When the team’s not playing so well, I understand that we’ll come under attack.”
Kennedy explained that the Red Sox look at the total numbers of tickets sold — including standing-room tickets — rather than if every single seat is accounted for.

“The simplest explanation for the sellout definition or the sellout streak is, in its most simple, basic form, the concept is that more fans have tickets for the game than there are seats in the ballpark,” Kennedy said. “It’s always been pegged to seating capacity. … This is a decades-old standard. It goes back to the early 1990s and maybe even before that, certainly long before we were here. It’s a common standard that other Major League Baseball teams use, that other sports teams in the Boston market — the Celtics and the Bruins, for example — use. It’s just one that has been common practice and one that has worked for most teams.

“And I think the confusion lies in the fact that there are tickets available on the day or game for sale. But any time there have been unsold tickets during the streak, the number of standing-room tickets that have been sold always exceeds that number of seats that are still available. So, it is a bit confusing because we don’t just pick a set number. We don’t say, ‘Well, it’s 37,000, and anything above that’s a sellout.’ It’s a very meticulous and ironically precise measurement that the Red Sox organization has used for decades. … That’s the standard and the measure which the club has used for many years and is commonplace throughout sports.”

The team’s relationship with ticket resellers has come under question in the past. Kennedy denied that the Sox sell tickets to companies such as Ace Tickets, which buys advertising from the team.

“We do not sell tickets directly to them for resale,” Kennedy said. “That’s our season ticket-holders and other purchasers that sell tickets and get involved in the secondary market. Our concern is obviously the primary market for tickets. We make no bones about the fact that we want to try to sell as many tickets as humanly possible for every game, because it gives us a great revenue base to work from and it gives us a competitive advantage for the players to play in front of a packed house night in and night out.”

Kennedy noted that the fans are the ones who deserve credit for the streak, not the team.

Said Kennedy: “This is the best baseball market in the country, bar none. ... This is the most passionate baseball market in the country, and it’s been an amazing 10 years of this ownership’s stewardship of the team. And it’s kind of humbling for the front office.”


27 posted on 05/04/2012 9:37:50 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: ConservativeStatement

Love your home page....the Reagan quote is so true and the pics. are awesome - and hilarious!


28 posted on 05/04/2012 9:46:30 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: raccoonradio

Scandal! Will they have to change their name now? :)


29 posted on 05/04/2012 9:48:13 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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Thank you. It makes for an easier search when I desire to post certain images. :-)


30 posted on 05/04/2012 12:22:55 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: raccoonradio

I suppose it’s a con but I can’t get too upset about it.
Other towns have car dealers and such buy up the last few tickets so the blackout can be lifted and put the game on TV (are home games on TV in Boston?)

The car dealers give the tickets away to potential customers.

Now yes, I suppose “X consecutive sellouts” creates the illusion that the product is better than it is...but at some point, the customer has to decide if it’s any good.


31 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:35 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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