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What We Are Left With - Is Ron Paul Better or Worse Than Romney?

Posted on 05/08/2012 7:23:22 AM PDT by redinIllinois

Instead of letting the establishment act like everybody is happy with Mitt Romney, how about if everybody in the remaining primaries votes for Ron Paul in protest?

What is the worst that could happen?

At least Ron Paul is pro-life and wants to get rid of the vile, evil, Marxist income tax.

Mitt Romney is saying a lot of the right things, but talk is cheap for politicians at election time.

It should be ALARMING for conservatives to see how many of Romney's people have been advising the Obama administration!!

If you look at their history, instead of their promises, is Ron Paul better than Romney?


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1 posted on 05/08/2012 7:23:26 AM PDT by redinIllinois
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To: redinIllinois

If you want to get rid of 0, either is better. But both are the most flawed candidates that the GOP offered this year.


2 posted on 05/08/2012 7:25:41 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: redinIllinois

This moring, Romney is crowing about his support of the auto company bailouts.

I rest my case


3 posted on 05/08/2012 7:31:04 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: redinIllinois

Dr Ron Paul is the one...and ONLY choice among a herd of lessor evils...

Semper Watching!
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4 posted on 05/08/2012 7:32:02 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: redinIllinois

I hear you - red to red in IL so to speak...

As much as I do like the basic libertarian view on many issues, I’m kinda with Santorum when he said “I don’t believe in *no* government”. I have to part ways with Ron Paul and others when it comes to legalizing harmful drugs, sticking our heads in the sand internationally, and other things.

I think the right combination of common-sense Libertarian and conservative principles would be unstoppable, but that’s sure not Ron Paul. Not that he has a chance against Romney anyhow.

Sadly, here in our state I’m afraid Jokin’ Joe Biden would be a step up from our present state politicians...


5 posted on 05/08/2012 7:33:30 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: gunnyg

...and...the only actual conservative...

Semper Trvth!
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6 posted on 05/08/2012 7:33:51 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: gunnyg

>>>Dr Ron Paul is the one...and ONLY choice among a herd of lessor evils...

Choosing the lesser evil among evils is still choosing evil.


7 posted on 05/08/2012 7:38:02 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Ron Paul is far better than Romney, but like you say, why vote for any degree of evil when you can vote for Goode instead?


8 posted on 05/08/2012 7:40:47 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Lorianne

“This moring, Romney is crowing about his support of the auto company bailouts.

I rest my case”

It’s as if they are being spiteful and dismissive to conservatives, and the better they do with independents, the less they worry about trying to even make a pretense of being conservative.


9 posted on 05/08/2012 7:41:21 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: gunnyg
Libertarian my brother...Ron Paul is a libertarian...

He is NOT a conservative....and he should NOT be called one.

10 posted on 05/08/2012 7:41:20 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: redinIllinois

Ron Paul: Traitor Bradley Manning Is A “Hero” and a “Patriot”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2823009/posts

Ron Paul Flashback: Israel ‘Created’ Hamas
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Ron-Paul-Israel-Hamas/2011/12/28/id/422376

‘Ron Paul wishes Israel didn’t exist’
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4167257,00.html


11 posted on 05/08/2012 7:42:03 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: redinIllinois

whom do you mean by “we”?

TX, CA, & NJ primaries are upcoming. I ain’t the “we” in there.

PS I couldn’t figure out if this was a vanity or what.


12 posted on 05/08/2012 7:43:27 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and we are still campaigning for local conservatives in central CT.)
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To: redinIllinois
I'd love to see Ron Paul as President, if for no other reason than to piss off the powers that be. The media and the two parties would be suicidal!
13 posted on 05/08/2012 7:46:17 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: redinIllinois

Ron Paul would be an abject world wide disaster...

I am not thrilled about it, but the facts are simple, Romney for good or ill is going to be the Nominee.

Don’t have to like it but do have to accept it.

Now, this leaves in practical effect 2 choices:

1) Continue to attack and bash Romney and undermine him and by those actions help the re election effort of Obama

or

2) Support Romney, begrudgingly and do what we can to ensure his victory and work to hold his feet to the fire after the election.

Reality is, if we continue to attack Romney, justified or not, we help those who are even more an enemy to our cause. Its a crap decision I know, but its the only one that exists this election cycle.


14 posted on 05/08/2012 7:51:30 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: redinIllinois

I voted for RP in the NYS primary.

ABO in november.


15 posted on 05/08/2012 7:51:30 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

And that is how its supposed to work. Support your guy in the primary, but come general, you support the candidate, not because you are always thrilled with them, but because the alternative is that much worse.


16 posted on 05/08/2012 7:53:16 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: airborne

The internet and its kind.. , in general, evidence as to how we got this way...

Semper Real Americans/True Conservatives!
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17 posted on 05/08/2012 7:53:26 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: redinIllinois

If given a choice between Dr. Paul, Mitt or Obama, I’ll have to go with Dr. Paul, even if he is a tinfoil fruitcake.


18 posted on 05/08/2012 7:55:15 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: redinIllinois
Well, given a choice of Ron Paul v. Obama, it's still ABO. Paul at least has an idea of the cuts needed to rein in the Fed Gov (domestic cuts, too, big ones), and the Congress would likely keep the defense picture in focus.

As someone has pointed out, he can't do it alone, the Congress makes the laws, he either signs or vetoes them.

19 posted on 05/08/2012 7:56:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: BuffaloJack
If given a choice between Dr. Paul, Mitt or Obama, I’ll have to go with Dr. Paul, even if he is a tinfoil fruitcake.

And if for nothing else, the entertainment value.

20 posted on 05/08/2012 7:58:06 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

“Libertarian my brother...Ron Paul is a libertarian...
He is NOT a conservative....and he should NOT be called one. “

Neither is Romney.

The thing we need to do is look at their history, not their promises.

If libertarians agree with conservatives 20 - 30%, and Romney agrees with conservatives 10%, who should we vote for?

Should we give in to the establishment and throw in the towel now, or keep fighting, even if it is only a token to show our displeasure with Romney?


21 posted on 05/08/2012 7:58:21 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: redinIllinois
It's down to Romney

While he is appealing on some fiscal and domestic fronts, Ron Paul is unacceptable on foreign policy.

22 posted on 05/08/2012 7:59:30 AM PDT by newzjunkey (I advocate separation of school and sport)
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To: redinIllinois

Ron Paul has no chance of beating 0bmama.


23 posted on 05/08/2012 8:04:52 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: newzjunkey

Romney is unacceptable on many fronts.


24 posted on 05/08/2012 8:05:02 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: redinIllinois

Ron Paul is a nut case. And that is absolute best anyone can say about him. If you want a second term for BO, vote Ron Paul. Not happy about MR, but not about to commit suicide over it by voting for RP.


25 posted on 05/08/2012 8:05:25 AM PDT by RedElement
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To: redinIllinois

The insane who leans liberal, or the liar who is liberal; that is the question.


26 posted on 05/08/2012 8:09:53 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: bigbob

>I have to part ways with Ron Paul and others when it comes to legalizing harmful drugs, sticking our heads in the sand internationally, and other things.

I find the defense argument against Paul to be rather amusing: the whole point that Congress is involved in cabinet-positions is to make sure that they can be moderating influences on a President’s wacky ideas. (And let’s face it, EVERY president has had wacky ideas.)

As to ‘legalizing’ drugs; that’d be kinda hard when the current “illegalization” is itself invalid. Even by the principal of precedent, which I hate (as it is nothing less than the Judiciary playing the children’s game of Telephone with legal rights), they cannot legitimately do it: the 18th Amendment was required to prohibit a specific drug (alcohol) in a similar manner... and that amendment was repealed totally.

Furthermore, the dangers of keeping the War on Drugs (WoD) going is too great a cost financially, in human life, or legally. (I say legally because it is directly from the WoD that we get no-knock raids, pretrial confiscation/destructions, the “having a [large] sum of cash on one’s person is grounds for arrest” doctrine, and more.)


27 posted on 05/08/2012 8:09:54 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: redinIllinois

Ron Paul is nothing to be frightened of, because though he may prevent the onerous Romney from getting the nomination, in combination with the Santorum and Gingrich delegates, his people are not strong enough to get Paul the nomination.

So right now, the real conservative leaders are trying to figure out who they will nominate who is acceptable to the 60-70% of delegates who are conservatives. And no, if given the choice, it won’t be Santorum or Gingrich either.

Whoever it is will have to embrace the sane parts of the Paul agenda to get their support, tempered with strong conservatism on conservative’s core issues that are not repulsive to the Paul delegates.

And this could be a huge victory for both conservatives and for the country.

This potential conservative nominee is going to have to both give promises and get promises from the congressional Republican leadership for support if he hopes to win big, and the conservatives are going to watch this like a hawk to make sure that the leadership does not try to force him to “moderate”, which would ruin his presidency.

Some key issues I can imagine:

1) Giant cutbacks in the size and power and spending of the federal government. An end to “czars” and presidential signing statements and abuse of recess appointments.

2) Restoration of the 4th Amendment and the downgrading of the Intelligence-Police behemoth, to reasonable levels of security. “Foreigners are the enemy, not the American people.”

3) Securing the border with Mexico and an end to a lot of the stupid, internationalist treaties.

4) Massive scale energy development along with the return of a lot of the federally taken lands to the states.

5) The appointment of rock solid conservatives to the Supreme Court and federal bench.

6) Yes, the military is going to have to take some hits as well, but this needs to be done sensibly, such as much tighter controls over major weapons systems programs. We cannot afford any more destroyers that cost as much as aircraft carriers.

7) Get the federal government and most insurance companies out of routine medical care. This alone will drop its price by 50%.


28 posted on 05/08/2012 8:11:31 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Seems to me he’s more of a conservative than most of the GOP. I mean, he actually wants to cut the size of government. Where is the support for that among our “mainstream” GOP politicians (and voters)?

That said, his foreign policy is a bit odd. I think about halfway between his position and the general GOP position is about right. But, it is Congress which has the power to declare war, anyhow.


29 posted on 05/08/2012 8:13:09 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: HamiltonJay

We have been left with a candidate for whom the alternative is not MUCH worse.


30 posted on 05/08/2012 8:13:38 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: redinIllinois
Ugh, I never thought I would hear myself utter such a thing, but I think I could plug my nose for RP.

I feel like I need a shower now.

Mitt will never get my vote.

31 posted on 05/08/2012 8:14:49 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: bigbob

“I think the right combination of common-sense Libertarian and conservative principles would be unstoppable, but that’s sure not Ron Paul. Not that he has a chance against Romney anyhow.”

The point is not that I think he can win, but for the people in the states that haven’t had primaries yet to protest being rolled over by the ‘machine’.


32 posted on 05/08/2012 8:14:58 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: newzjunkey

>Ron Paul is unacceptable on foreign policy.

Which, I observe, is precisely WHY the congress is involved w/ the appointing of people to cabinet positions. (i.e. if the President has some wonky ideas about foreign policies, it’s their job to ensure some with a tempering voice gets placed in those positions relating to foreign policy.)


33 posted on 05/08/2012 8:15:28 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: smokingfrog

I’d say he has no chance of being nominated. But if he were somehow nominated, I think he’d have an excellent chance at beating Obama, as he would peel off some of the peaceniks.

In fact, in such a scenario, I really don’t see how Obama could win, even if some of the “national greatness conservatives” stayed home.


34 posted on 05/08/2012 8:16:20 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Senator Rand Paul


35 posted on 05/08/2012 8:16:37 AM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: redinIllinois

Never said Romney the RINO was...just said Ron Paul aint...


36 posted on 05/08/2012 8:20:53 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: redinIllinois

snore


37 posted on 05/08/2012 8:22:01 AM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: redinIllinois

Romney is the most socialist Republican that’s ever been offered to us. Our biggest crisis right now is the debt and the biggest driver of the debt is entitlements. Romney has shown he will cave and buckle every time a welfare entitlement is challenged so that he can pander for votes. He has also remained extremely supportive and positive throughout the primary about his great socialist entitlement Romneycare.

Even our military leaders have said our greatest national security crisis is the debt. The only reason we have been a powerful military force is because our economy has been so productive. Our debt will absolutely crush us as a world power and make it impossible to sustain a competitive military.

Despite Ron Paul’s faults on social and foreign policy issues, he is an extremist when it comes to fiscal conservatism and that is what we desperately need right now. We need spending austerity and slashing of taxes to save our economy. Whatever Paul might screw up on other issues, we can fix later. The debt is something we simply will not be able to fix if it gets any worse. It will be the end of America as a significant world power and will leave us vulnerable to all forms of military and foreign invasion.

I am pretty sure the Congress would make financing Israel a prime issue and force Paul to cave on that. That’s a bipartisan issue.

Bottom line, Ron Paul almost certainly can’t win the primary, but when you have a choice between him and Romney, Paul is the obvious and only choice for the desperate fiscal times we live in.


38 posted on 05/08/2012 8:22:11 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: redinIllinois

simple logic applies here:

fubo is a socialist

mcromney is a socialist

socialism is the enemy of the republic

therefore, if you support mcromney, you support socialism

that makes anyone and everyone who supports him an enemy of the republic

if the choice is between paul and fubo, I could hold my nose and pull the lever for paul.

Since I am not a socialist, not do I support socialism, there is not a chance I will cast my ballot for a socialist.

Period


39 posted on 05/08/2012 8:25:30 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: redinIllinois

Not to forget though, Newt Gingrich is the only candidate who’s the full package of fiscal conservatism, social conservatism and strong support of the U.S. as a worldwide military power. If he’s on your ballot, Newt is still the best choice.


40 posted on 05/08/2012 8:26:09 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Lorianne
This moring, Romney is crowing about his support of the auto company bailouts.

I rest my case

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41 posted on 05/08/2012 8:35:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: redinIllinois

IMO, Ron Paul is a raving maniac loose cannon on the ship of state’s deck.


42 posted on 05/08/2012 8:35:37 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: JediJones
Well said. I would also support over Romney.

Paul is a Constitutionalist. Restoring the Constitution is a prerequisite to restoring the rule of law. Perhaps with a return to the rule of law our people would also rediscover a higher law at the same time.

43 posted on 05/08/2012 8:36:22 AM PDT by EternalHope (Politicians will always let you down. -- Sarah Palin)
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To: redinIllinois

RP is proRKBA. Willard isn’t.
RP is pro-life. Nominally at least. Willard isn’t.
RP thinks global warming is a scam. Willard is a Believer.

RP has warts. Willard has hemorrhagic fever.


44 posted on 05/08/2012 8:40:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Sirius Lee; Keith in Iowa

“Ron Paul is far better than Romney, but like you say, why vote for any degree of evil when you can vote for Goode instead?”

Because voting for Goode won’t get the GOPe’s attention.

Ron Paul already has some delegates.

The more he gets, the more chance we have of getting their attention.


45 posted on 05/08/2012 8:41:08 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: Sea Parrot

[ IMO, Ron Paul is a raving maniac loose cannon on the ship of state’s deck. ]

At the very least we KNOW that Ron Paul is a “Maverick” unlike that poser mavrick McCain... Ron Paul may be the “Maverick of Looneyville” but at least he is consistently Looney and we KNOW for sure that Ron Paul wouldn’t be abusing Executive Orders like Obama has done because he is a principled looney toon when it comes to Constiutionaly Limited government.

True Ron Paul’s foreign policty is downwright crazy, but pulling back from our allies across the world is a lot LESS worse than what Obama is doing. Obama is downright promising our longtime trusted allies and then stabbing them inthe back, where as with Paul they “Will know we are abandoning them” and have enough lead time to prepare themselves, instead of being lulled into a false sense of “in-security” by Obama.


46 posted on 05/08/2012 8:43:07 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: joe fonebone

[ simple logic applies here:

fubo is a socialist

mcromney is a socialist

socialism is the enemy of the republic

therefore, if you support mcromney, you support socialism

that makes anyone and everyone who supports him an enemy of the republic

if the choice is between paul and fubo, I could hold my nose and pull the lever for paul.

Since I am not a socialist, not do I support socialism, there is not a chance I will cast my ballot for a socialist.

Period ]

NAILED IT! NAILED IT! BY GOD YOU NAILED IT!


47 posted on 05/08/2012 8:44:18 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Ingtar

I’m sorry, but it is much worse, perhaps not as worse as we would like, but it is indeed much worse.

Obama wishes to turn the US into a european socialist state, Romney for all the things I don’t like about him, does not remotely have that goal.

I am not thrilled about Romney as the nominee, let alone as the President, but compared to a 2nd term of Obama, its not even a contest.


48 posted on 05/08/2012 8:44:29 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: redinIllinois
I have tio go with Jim on this.

"Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"
- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007
49 posted on 05/08/2012 8:49:30 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JediJones

Our own debt foisted on us by our “leaders” will destroy us well beyound what AQ or Iran could ever do.


50 posted on 05/08/2012 8:52:00 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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