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'Help me,' homeless man begs as cops fatally beat him in videotaped incident
CNN ^ | May 8, 2012 | CNN Wire Staff

Posted on 05/08/2012 11:52:15 AM PDT by Altariel

(CNN) -- A graphic video played at a hearing Monday to determine whether two California police officers should stand trial in the beating death of a homeless man showed them kicking and punching the mentally ill man as he lay on the ground -- screaming in pain and begging for help.

The victim, Kelly Thomas, died five days after the beating on July 5.

Manuel Ramos, a 10-year veteran of the Fullerton, California, police department, is charged with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter, while Cpl. Jay Patrick Cicinelli faces charges of involuntary manslaughter and felony use of excessive force in the same case.

Both have pleaded not guilty.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: brutality; ca; california; corruption; donutwatch; fullerton; govtabuse; jackbootedthugs; jbt; leo; leojackboots; murder; police; policestate; rapeofliberty
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1 posted on 05/08/2012 11:52:34 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

How awful.


2 posted on 05/08/2012 11:55:16 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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To: Altariel

involuntary manslaughter ?

Ummm, when you beat a person without mercy, until he dies a few days later, this seems like “Voluntary” manslaughter. That is, unless you had a gun to your head and were forced to participate in the beating.

If I were a juror, I’d vote for Premeditated Murder


3 posted on 05/08/2012 11:55:56 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Altariel

A touch of irony....the father of the victim is an ex-cop who now trains police officers how to handle combatant arrestees.


4 posted on 05/08/2012 12:00:30 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Altariel

I can’t wait to see how the bootlickers are going to defend this...


5 posted on 05/08/2012 12:00:48 PM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: Popman

Beating of a white dude? Why is this even in the news? /s


6 posted on 05/08/2012 12:02:03 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Hodar

“involuntary manslaughter ?

Ummm, when you beat a person without mercy, until he dies a few days later, this seems like “Voluntary” manslaughter. That is, unless you had a gun to your head and were forced to participate in the beating.”

Let me rephrase. “... that is, unless you’re a cop, and then you get to say the unarmed 4 year old girl made a ‘threatening move’ to her waist band, so I shot her 24 times with my Remington 12 gauge.”

And then you walk.


7 posted on 05/08/2012 12:02:40 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Altariel

Pack mentality.


8 posted on 05/08/2012 12:03:39 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Altariel

“I’m sorry, I’m sorry” then the sound of tasers going off repeatedly after the guy is already on the ground with his hands behind his back. These two DICKLESS COWARDS should be publicly lynched.

What the hell crime was he supposedly committing anyway? (crickets chirping)


9 posted on 05/08/2012 12:08:03 PM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: Altariel
No way is this manslaughter! It's at least second degree murder. Where's the outrage?



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

10 posted on 05/08/2012 12:09:22 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Mich Patriot

The crime the cops were investigating was that he was supposedly looking in cars and trying the handles. I guess that’s a capital offense now. /s
So yeah... send these guys to general population. Not that special “cops only” prison.


11 posted on 05/08/2012 12:11:20 PM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Where's the outrage?

The news media will tell us when to be outraged, and frankly they don't see much profit in whipping up a reaction in this case - white victim, racially mixed assailants...

12 posted on 05/08/2012 12:15:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Altariel
If this was a scene from a movie, I'd admittedly get a chuckle of the the clever dialogue.
 
 
 

"See my fists?" Ramos says.

"Yeah," Thomas replies. "What about 'em?"

"They're getting ready to f— you up," Ramos says while sliding on a pair of latex gloves. The statements and the menacing acting of putting on the gloves, Rackauckas said the preliminary hearing, set the deadly encounter into motion.

 
 
 
Unfortunatley - this was no movie.

13 posted on 05/08/2012 12:15:16 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Altariel

I Don’t know if they showed all of it, but that video didn’t look that bad to me.


14 posted on 05/08/2012 12:16:52 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Altariel

In the early 80’s I worker for a car rental agency about a half a block west of Highland on Hollywood Blvd. We had the occasional transient come into the office and cause disturbances. The “sane” or druggie types we easily removed with threats of violence (we kept bats behind the counter). There were also plenty of obviously mentally ill people too. I called the LAPD on the first few incidents of these types. When the cops arrived I let them know that we had a stubborn, mentally ill person that did not want to leave . They usually just wanted to talk but WOW could they stink up the place. Twice I watched the LAPD drag someone out of my office onto Hollywood Blvd then proceed to goad the person into highly agitated state, smiling and laughing the whole time. Then, when the person was agitated enough to want to get away, the elbows started flying. Not once but twice I watched four officers literally slam someone to the ground and proceed to beat the living crud out of an obviously ill person. For fun. In broad daylight on Hollywood Blvd. I mean bloodied by fists and sticks, cuffed and arrested.
I quit calling the cops after that. We dealt with the mentally ill folks by talking to them. As much as I couln


15 posted on 05/08/2012 12:24:23 PM PDT by Ribeye (Protective headwear courtesy of Reynolds Aluminum Products- Extra-cranial RF Suppression Division)
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To: Responsibility2nd

That wasn’t in the vid.


16 posted on 05/08/2012 12:29:34 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Altariel

I’d say 2nd degree murder. I don’t know if it was pre-meditated, but once they got going they didn’t stop.

Cops do not know the difference between mentally ill people and people on illegal drugs/resisters. But obviously when they are not fighting back there’s no real reason to beat them to death. It wasn’t a situation where the perp is saying he’s not resisting but is clearly fighting/resisting.


17 posted on 05/08/2012 12:35:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: christx30

Supposedly there was a 911 call that someone was breaking into cars in the parking lot, but the police refused to release the tape. The speculation is that the local restaurant and bar owners were pressing the police to drive the homeless out of the area because they were bad for business. This beating was part of that effort.


18 posted on 05/08/2012 12:42:41 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: mamelukesabre
...that video didn’t look that bad to me.

The victim, shortly before he died:


19 posted on 05/08/2012 12:48:27 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: mamelukesabre

“I Don’t know if they showed all of it, but that video didn’t look that bad to me.”

A video that shows a beating that a mentally ill man died from doesn’t look that bad to you?


20 posted on 05/08/2012 12:51:50 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: mamelukesabre

Yes. It is. Start at 15:19 and you’ll see it.


21 posted on 05/08/2012 12:57:33 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Find rest, O my soul, in God alone; my hope comes from Him." -Psalm 62:5)
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To: Mich Patriot

Justice would be these cops in prison getting bubba bent daily , but that’s just me.


22 posted on 05/08/2012 1:01:22 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Altariel

Pretty bad when the police dept hires ‘thugs’ for officers.
They can’t subdue this fairly small, thin man without all that violence to him? Very unprofessional!


23 posted on 05/08/2012 1:26:43 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Altariel

That was murder!


24 posted on 05/08/2012 1:52:14 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Altariel

The only difference between criminals and the police is a badge. The only difference between criminals and politicians is a police force.


25 posted on 05/08/2012 2:08:13 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Nice to know that cops can beat someone just because a local business wants them to.
And cops wonder why they are hated and distrusted. I treat cops like I would a wounded, wild animals. Don’t look at it’s face. Keep your head down and avoid at all cost.


26 posted on 05/08/2012 2:17:12 PM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: christx30

Personally, I’m wondering if the fix is in, with the cops walking away with a slap on the wrist in return for not telling where their orders came from.


27 posted on 05/08/2012 2:25:47 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Altariel

shoot their dogs too


28 posted on 05/08/2012 3:01:48 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: Altariel

This was big news here in OC. There should be more charges for the coverup, and not just the FPD.


29 posted on 05/08/2012 3:07:29 PM PDT by TJC (V)
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To: Altariel

How do those cigarettes you exchanged for your vote taste now?


30 posted on 05/08/2012 3:22:46 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worst Rinos ever!)
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To: Altariel

I used to like cops but no longer.

They have an “us vs them” mentality with the advantage of a badge.

They must re-evaluate their objectives because too many innocents are being killed under the color of the law.


31 posted on 05/08/2012 3:44:31 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worst Rinos ever!)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

You will get no argument from me. This crap happens too often for it to be a random occurance. Either these guys went overboard on their own (which in my world would result in serious jail time), or they were told to crack some heads open (which should result in charges of ordering a hit on a unarmed man). Either way, something is fishy here.
I don’t consider the death of a police officer to be a tragedy. You treat the public like this too many times and people are scared of you. It’s either you or me.


32 posted on 05/08/2012 6:12:32 PM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: mamelukesabre; Altariel
that video didn’t look that bad to me

Ya don't do ya?

It didn't seem too bad with the video/audio of a young man screaming for his life, screaming he could not breath, begging for mercy, screaming for his Dad to help, who was not even present?

No too bad eh?

Here's the homeless young man, just before he died.

Here's a couple of the murderers, other cops were clearly involved.

Was the young man a mass murderer? International terrorist? Bank robber, hostage taker? Killer, robber, rapist?

No he wasn't.

33 posted on 05/08/2012 6:59:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Personally, I’m wondering if the fix is in, with the cops walking away with a slap on the wrist in return for not telling where their orders came from.

Not gonna happen...This story is too huge down here. These pigs are going down. Several city councilman and the former police chief are going with 'em. And that doesn't even touch the mega-million dollar civil suit that's in progress.

The only real injustice that's going to go by the boards is the officers who just stood around and watched/allowed the beating to occur. They are all pigs, and should wear this around their necks for the rest of their lives.
34 posted on 05/08/2012 7:10:07 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: dragnet2

Two fat kids who got bullied in school all grown up. They will enjoy prison food.


35 posted on 05/08/2012 7:22:34 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

This wasn’t simply a beating, this was clearly murder with intent.


36 posted on 05/08/2012 7:26:32 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Responsibility2nd

That shows prior intent, a.k.a - premeditation.


37 posted on 05/08/2012 7:29:33 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: rottndog
Not gonna happen...This story is too huge down here.

No it's not and yes, this a very big story on the west coast.

What this did was expose even more government corruption, and out of control local government law enforcement, who behaved like gangsters.

Thanks to the fact it was caught on tape, there were witnesses and there is a brutally beaten dead body.

38 posted on 05/08/2012 7:33:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rottndog; Bubba Ho-Tep
Not gonna happen...This story is too huge down here.

No it's not and yes, this a very big story on the west coast.

What this did was expose even more government corruption, and out of control local government law enforcement, who behaved like gangsters.

Thanks to the fact it was caught on tape, there were witnesses and there is a brutally beaten dead body.

39 posted on 05/08/2012 7:35:22 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Where's the outrage?

Not sure where your at, but on the west coast, there is a lot of outrage.

40 posted on 05/08/2012 7:37:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Standing room only outside chambers: Fullerton residents and others fill the hallways outside the Fullerton City Council chambers to watch public comments on the death of Kelly Thomas on television.

41 posted on 05/08/2012 7:53:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I’m in the Peoples Republic of Maryland, where no one has heard this story.


42 posted on 05/08/2012 7:54:47 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: dragnet2

The vid I saw had none of that.


43 posted on 05/08/2012 8:57:20 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

“The vid I saw had none of that.”

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In the video, listen to the audio where it’s clearly heard the young unarmed man is screaming for his life, screaming he could not breath, begging for mercy, screaming for his Dad to help, who was not even present.

The man died, brutally beaten to death. Watch/listen this, and tell me this video complete with audio, “doesn’t look that bad”.

http://www.ocregister.com/video/v/1626615556001/crime-fullerton-kelly


44 posted on 05/08/2012 9:26:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I have a better idea. Why don’t you read my comments again and then look at what I was responding to.


45 posted on 05/08/2012 9:28:46 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Are you suggesting since you can't see every single blow, kick and punch, until the young man went unconscious, eventually dying, that this video, "didn’t look that bad to you"? Is that what this is all about?

Anyone watching/listening to this video and seeing the after images of the young unarmed guy beaten to a dead pulp, understands, this is really bad.

In fact, in the video, you can hear the cop tell this guy, "You see my fists? They're getting ready to f--- you up."

Do you have speakers hooked up to your computer? This video has audio, I suggest you listen to it.

And if ya don't think the video looked that bad to you, take a look at what happened to this young guy.

Does this look bad to you?

This is the result of that incident, where you suggested, "It don't look that bad to me".

How about the audio?

And comments there? Ya think he could have beat himself to death while the cops were trying to stop him?

This is as bad as it gets, regardless of your comments about the video.

http://www.ocregister.com/video/v/1626615556001/crime-fullerton-kelly

46 posted on 05/08/2012 10:04:20 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Altariel

Horrible crime. I’ve never been a big cop basher. Kind of just indifferent, but with all the dog killings that have been going on by police, and the attitude of some that I’ve had the occasion to meet, I’m getting to the point where I don’t have much use for a lot of them. These two should be up for murder. There was no need to kill that man. The cop didn’t like the guy’s attitude and was going to show him who was boss. He was the judge, jury, and executioner. Guess he hadn’t had a dog to kill in a while and was a little testy. RIP to the homeless man.


47 posted on 05/08/2012 11:46:41 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Altariel

I’m surprised the boot lickers haven’t been by to tell us how we don’t understand the dangers of their job, which magically is the most dangerous job in the world. That is, unless you look at statistics for other jobs.
Nope, we’re just criminal apologists. There is nothing wrong with the JBTs, I mean our fine LEOs.


48 posted on 05/09/2012 5:05:12 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: dragnet2
Its going to be Deliverance, Part II at San Quentin... "You sure got a purdy mouth...Now squeal like a ...."
49 posted on 05/09/2012 5:07:54 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: LevinFan

The pro government types won’t come near this.

For good reason.


50 posted on 05/09/2012 9:41:24 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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