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WWII Fighter Plane Hailed the 'Aviation Equivalent of Tutankhamun's Tomb' Found Preserved (Sahara)
The Telegraph ^ | Richard Alleyne

Posted on 05/10/2012 3:33:48 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

WWII fighter plane hailed the 'aviation equivalent of Tutankhamun's Tomb' found preserved in the Sahara

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A Second World War aeroplane that crash landed in the Sahara Desert before the British pilot walked to his death has been found almost perfectly preserved 70 years later.

Most of its cockpit instruments are intact and it still had it guns and ammunition before they were seized by the Egyptian military.

There are also signs of the makeshift camp the pilot made alongside the fuselage.

No human remains have been found but it is thought the pilot may lie within a 20 mile radius of the plane.

The RAF Museum at Hendon, north London, has been made aware of the discovery and plans are underway to recover the aircraft and display it in the future.

A search will also be launched in the hope of finding the lost airman.

The defence attache at the British embassy in Cairo is due to visit the scene in the near future in order to officially confirm its discovery and serial number.

But there are fears over what will be left of it after locals began stripping parts and instruments from the cockpit for souvenirs and scrap.

Historians are urging the British government to step in sooner rather than later and have the scene declared as a war grave so it can be protected until the plane is recovered.

Military historian Andy Saunders said: "The aviation historical world is hugely excited about this discovery.

"This plane has been lying in the same spot where it crashed 70 years ago. It hasn't been hidden or buried in the sand, it has just sat there.

"It is a quite incredible time capsule, the aviation equivalent of Tutankhamun's Tomb.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 05/10/2012 3:33:56 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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More at:

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/357/language/en-CA/Original-Kittyhawk-HS-B-Discovered.aspx

https://picasaweb.google.com/114682566226043469349/Zdj_samolot?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKjxkt6rkNTFKg&feat=directlink#


2 posted on 05/10/2012 3:34:55 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

The irony of the British complaining about Egyptians looting historical items of British national interest is great here.


3 posted on 05/10/2012 3:45:34 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Cool! Heck of a thing though to know you survived the crash but won’t survive much longer. I hope they find the pilot, he cannot be far away.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 3:46:08 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: DogByte6RER

P-40 Kittyhawk? Or Hawker Hurricane?
Somebody better post up on that site pronto and keep the pickers off. Great photos.


5 posted on 05/10/2012 3:46:33 PM PDT by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: corkoman

Its a lend/lease P-40 warhawk. Also the fuselage of a Hurricane was dope canvass not aluminum. The scoop intake on the cowl is a dead give away it is a P-40.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 3:49:35 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: corkoman

P-40 Kittyhawk? Or Hawker Hurricane?
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I know, I wasn’t sure eithr. Farther down it states it’s a P40. Two Brit pilots were taking damaged planes on a short flight from one airfield to anoter. One got lost.


7 posted on 05/10/2012 3:49:55 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: corkoman

That is a P-40, possibly lend-lease.


8 posted on 05/10/2012 3:50:27 PM PDT by omega4179 ( el 0bama comiĆ³ un perro)
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To: corkoman

9 posted on 05/10/2012 3:51:42 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DogByte6RER
"Almoast perfectly preserved" after it crash landed in hostile territory.
10 posted on 05/10/2012 3:53:57 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: corkoman

Hurricane had a different canopy and no scoop on the cowl....

11 posted on 05/10/2012 3:55:59 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DogByte6RER

12 posted on 05/10/2012 3:58:25 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: DogByte6RER

“It is a quite incredible time capsule, the aviation equivalent of Tutankhamun’s Tomb.”

Complete BS. We know everything about these planes: how they were made, when they were made, who made them, who flew them, why they flew them, what they cost, etc. No one need learn a dead language - like Egyptian hieroglyphics - to know all about this plane.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 4:07:23 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: DogByte6RER
”King Nine Will Not Return”
14 posted on 05/10/2012 4:11:03 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Jewbacca

Nice understatement.


15 posted on 05/10/2012 4:15:23 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: HerrBlucher

Google Lady Be Good. It was a B24 that was lost in Libya in 1944+-. Wasn’t found until 1958. Crew members that survived the bailout tried to walk back to civilization across the Sahara.

The log of one member outlined their 100 mile walk before they died, one by one.

A haunting story.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 4:32:02 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: HerrBlucher
Some of the crew of the Lady Be Good made it 80 miles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Be_Good_%28aircraft%29
17 posted on 05/10/2012 4:32:39 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

37 seconds.... at least I provided the source, lol.


18 posted on 05/10/2012 4:34:54 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Remains of five airmen were found in a group nearly 80 miles (130 km) from the crash site. The other three (Guy Shelley, “Rip” Ripslinger and Vernon Moore) had set off to try to find help while the other five waited behind. The bodies of Shelley and Ripslinger were found 32 kilometres (20 mi) and 43 kilometres (27 mi) further north.

Yea, but you missed the farthest airman by 27 miles!!!

;-)


19 posted on 05/10/2012 4:43:20 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Bartholomew Roberts; treetopsandroofs

Likely the B-24 had a decent supply of water on board. And of course, time of year would also be a factor. The LBG went down in April, who knows when the spitfire? went down.

Thanks for the link though, the LBG is a fascinating story. Reminds me of the movie, “flight of the phoenix.” I wonder if the LBG story was the inspiration for the 1964 novel on which the movie was based.


20 posted on 05/10/2012 4:44:17 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: HerrBlucher; Bartholomew Roberts; treetopsandroofs

****Likely the B-24 had a decent supply of water on board.****

It did. It was the rarest water in the world as it had NO radioactive fallout in it.

The finders made coffee with it.


21 posted on 05/10/2012 5:05:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: DogByte6RER

Wow, just think!
If the MB can backwards Engineer that thing, they might be able to put together a credible Air Force!


22 posted on 05/10/2012 5:16:25 PM PDT by left that other site
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To: corkoman
Old news..still looking for a serial number...it is a very early curtiss h87...so it is a Kittyhawk mk1 raf pre lend lease or a P40 E1 lend lease to the brits
23 posted on 05/10/2012 5:24:33 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: DogByte6RER

Reminds me when I was in the 8th grade, the Junior Reporter magazine carried a story we read in class about the discovery of The Lady be Good in the Libyan Desert. A B 24 returning from Ploesti, lost and out of gas. Found in pristine shape, even its 50s could still function.


24 posted on 05/10/2012 5:29:08 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


25 posted on 05/10/2012 5:34:46 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER; Perdogg; KevinDavis

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks DogByte6RER.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


26 posted on 05/10/2012 7:51:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: central_va

Yeah it’s a P-40 alright. It has six .50 calibers. The Hawker was armed with six .303s.


27 posted on 05/10/2012 9:25:08 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
Looks like a P-40D circa 1943.
28 posted on 05/11/2012 4:43:53 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Now we know what happened to Sky Captains P-40.


29 posted on 05/11/2012 4:52:51 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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Also posted here.

Another article: Frozen in the sands of time: Eerie Second World War RAF fighter plane discovered in the Sahara... 70 years after it crashed in the desert Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2142300/Crashed-plane-Second-World-War-pilot-Dennis-Copping-discovered-Sahara-desert.html#ixzz1ubHBN4iP

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30 posted on 05/11/2012 2:49:20 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Jewbacca

Yeah. You just don’t leave live ordnance laying around.


31 posted on 05/11/2012 3:21:02 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: vladimir998
Complete BS. We know everything about these planes: how they were made, when they were made, who made them, who flew them, why they flew them, what they cost, etc.

Agree. Back in the early 60's my father was doing his weekend reserve duty at Willow Grove NAS. There was a rusted P-40 on static display near the main gate. Somebody cut a deal with the Smithsonian to get the aircraft restored & displayed there.

Long story short, a call came to the parachute loft where the poker game was going on. Duty officer asked "Anybody know how to disassemble a P-40?" A couple of "Super Chiefs" (who began as USAAF) actually knew. They dragooned a few of the younger guys, my father among them, to help. Wasn't too hard.

32 posted on 05/11/2012 3:27:27 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: HerrBlucher
Reminds me of the movie, “flight of the phoenix.” I wonder if the LBG story was the inspiration for the 1964 novel on which the movie was based.

Lookup a movie called "Sole Survivor" with Richard Basehart (Admiral Nelson from "Beneath the Sea")

33 posted on 05/11/2012 3:29:45 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: treetopsandroofs; Bartholomew Roberts

Pieces of the Lady Be Good were recovered and used as artifacts at Wheelus AFB in Tripoli. When I was there in ‘63, one propeller was attached to the base of the flagpole outside Base Headquarters and the previous Base Commander had used a seat assembly from the Lady Be Good in his MG Midget.

The plane was said to be cursed, and that taking parts from her resting place would lead to bad luck. That former Base Commander wrecked his car, and we lost the air base when Libya’s King was deposed in the mid-60s.

I’ll report, you decide...


34 posted on 05/11/2012 4:51:41 PM PDT by HiJinx (A Higher Power is still just a false god.)
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To: central_va

35 posted on 05/11/2012 5:39:36 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: central_va
much more and better pics: Crashed Plane of Second World War
36 posted on 05/11/2012 5:41:45 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: DogByte6RER; Clive; KeyLargo

There’s another article about it it today’s National Post- it was a P-40 and they think it may have been flown by a Canadian pilot who survived the crash:

A Second World War fighter plane, just discovered in the Egyptian desert 70 years after it was crash-landed there by its British pilot, is generating excitement among vintage aircraft experts in Canada who suspect the long-buried Kittyhawk P-40 — literally unearthed from the sands of time — was once flown by one of this country’s great aces in the air battles of North Africa: Saskatchewan-born James “Stocky” Edwards, now 90 and living in Comox, B.C.

Edwards is, in fact, considered to be the “highest scoring” living fighter ace in Canada, credited with 19 “confirmed kills” and many additional damaged and destroyed enemy aircraft on the ground.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/11/plane-of-highest-scoring-living-canadian-fighter-ace-found-in-egypt/


37 posted on 05/12/2012 8:12:31 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- now the REAL work begins!)
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The irony of the British complaining about Egyptians looting historical items of British national interest is great here.

You have to be kidding, British scientific archaeological excavations--dating into the 19th Century, and commonly called "looting" today (when artifacts were carefully cataloged by scientists, then taken back to the UK and safely kept in museums--instead of left to the black market which was all Egypt was at that time...), are a far cry from the REAL looting which has occurred (and continues to occur)of priceless historic sites in largely lawless Arab countries.

Witness the wholesale archaeological destruction of parts of the Temple Mount next to the Al Asqua Mosque at the hands of the Jerusalem Waqf. This is typical of the value Islamists have for other cultures of the past or real history.

But for European archaeologists "looting" Middle Eastern sites, entire civilizations of the ancient near east would be entirely unknown--and completely unappreciated.

38 posted on 05/12/2012 9:33:02 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns

You are reading far too much into my post.


39 posted on 05/14/2012 7:01:18 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: central_va

Yep


40 posted on 05/20/2012 11:32:25 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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