Skip to comments.New Planet Found in Our Solar System?
Posted on 05/12/2012 3:44:38 AM PDT by LibWhacker
Odd orbits of remote objects hint at unseen world, new calculations suggest.
An as yet undiscovered planet might be orbiting at the dark fringes of the solar system, according to new research.
Too far out to be easily spotted by telescopes, the potential unseen planet appears to be making its presence felt by disturbing the orbits of so-called Kuiper belt objects, said Rodney Gomes, an astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro.
Kuiper belt objects are small icy bodiesincluding some dwarf planetsthat lie beyond the orbit of Neptune.
Once considered the ninth planet in our system, the dwarf planet Pluto, for example, is one of the largest Kuiper belt objects, at about 1,400 miles (2,300 kilometers) wide. Dozens of the other objects are hundreds of miles across, and more are being discovered every year.
What's intriguing, Gomes said, is that, according to his new calculations, about a half dozen Kuiper belt objectsincluding the remote body known as Sednaare in strange orbits compared to where they should be, based on existing solar system models. (Related: "Pluto Neighbor Gets Downsized.")
The objects' unexpected orbits have a few possible explanations, said Gomes, who presented his findings Tuesday at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Oregon.
"But I think the easiest one is a planetary-mass solar companion"a planet that orbits very far out from the sun but that's massive enough to be having gravitational effects on Kuiper belt objects.
Mystery Planet a Captured Rogue?
For the new work, Gomes analyzed the orbits of 92 Kuiper belt objects, then compared his results to computer models of how the bodies should be distributed, with and without an additional planet.
If there's no distant world, Gomes concludes, the models don't produce the highly elongated orbits we see for six of the objects.
How big exactly the planetary body might be isn't clear, but there are a lot of possibilities, Gomes added.
Based on his calculations, Gomes thinks a Neptune-size world, about four times bigger than Earth, orbiting 140 billion miles (225 billion kilometers) away from the sunabout 1,500 times farther than Earthwould do the trick.
But so would a Mars-size objectroughly half Earth's sizein a highly elongated orbit that would occasionally bring the body sweeping to within 5 billion miles (8 billion kilometers) of the sun.
Gomes speculates that the mystery object could be a rogue planet that was kicked out of its own star system and later captured by the sun's gravity. (See "'Nomad' Planets More Common Than Thought, May Orbit Black Holes.")
Or the putative planet could have formed closer to our sun, only to be cast outward by gravitational encounters with other planets.
However, actually finding such a world would be a challenge.
To begin with, the planet might be pretty dim. Also, Gomes's simulations don't give astronomers any clue as to where to point their telescopes"it can be anywhere," he said.
No Smoking Gun
Other astronomers are intrigued but say they'll want a lot more proof before they're willing to agree that the solar systemagainhas nine planets. (Also see "Record Nine-Planet Star System Discovered?")
"Obviously, finding another planet in the solar system is a big deal," said Rory Barnes, an astronomer at the University of Washington. But, he added, "I don't think he really has any evidence that suggests it is out there."
Instead, he added, Gomes "has laid out a way to determine how such a planet could sculpt parts of our solar system. So while, yes, the evidence doesn't exist yet, I thought the bigger point was that he showed us that there are ways to find that evidence."
Douglas Hamilton, an astronomer from the University of Maryland, agrees that the new findings are far from definitive.
"What he showed in his probability arguments is that it's slightly more likely. He doesn't have a smoking gun yet."
And Hal Levison, an astronomer at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, says he isn't sure what to make of Gomes's finding.
"It seems surprising to me that a [solar] companion as small as Neptune could have the effect he sees," Levison said.
But "I know Rodney, and I'm sure he did the calculations right."
I’ve got a very old atlas that shows 13 planets with their stats and orbits.
Didn’t we just get rid of a planet?
We know so little.
The Obama administration and the BLS will just fudge the numbers to get the number of planets down to the historical average, and then blame Republicans for “gravitational anomalies that hurt the middle class”
> Didnt we just get rid of a planet?
Yeah, they got rid of Pluto and then replaced it with a new planet, Tyche, four times bigger than Jupiter.
Now we get this one. Have they named it yet?
Interesting timing to publish such a thing. Five billion miles wouldn't put it anywhere near Earth, but it would disrupt the Kuiper Belt pretty thoroughly.
Ouranus. In the interest of inclusivity.
I’m still grieving the loss of Pluto.
He was a good planet. Just getting himself turned around. Never bothered anybody. If thr orbit fits you must admit. Free Pluto!
You know, a lot of this recent crap about Pluto seems to me more geared towards claiming older schoolbook science text is outdated so they can rewrite it and replace it with liberal crap.
Let’s call it Pluto II
The universe is expanding, so the Kuiper Belt just had to be let out a couple notches.
This little upstart is smaller than the last bozo we kicked out of the Solar System. Just let it try something funny...
...and in these uncertain economic times, can we really afford a new planet? I think not!
Yeah. These guys are channelling Zecharia.
Until we sure the borders around the solar system, these rogue planets are going to keep sneaking in here.
Me too. I had seen 8 of the planets, including Marcury, Uranus, and Neptune, and had only Pluto to go when they took away its ID card. It's like if you were running a marathon and they suddenly put the finish line at the 22-mile mark and congratulated everyone for running a marathon when they got to that point.
There's something the matter with the world when Barack Obama gets a Nobel Peace Prize and Pluto gets its planetary status revoked. It wasn't doing anything wrong--it was obeying the laws of gravity and everything. It's not fair.
I once got to hear the late Clyde W. Tombaugh give a talk, back when Pluto was a planet. Wonderful experience.
He was always so aloof, cold and distant. We hardly knew anything about him. No one could reach him.
Blaming the victim. That’s wassiss.
Good points, all.
If you’ve got your own moon, you’re a planet, dang it!!!
Yes, the orbits of Sedna and the other Kuiper Belt objects have perturbations in them that you wouldn’t expect in the absence of the hypothesized new planet. In other words, presumably, a new planet can explain these strange orbits. We haven’t seen the new planet yet, but we can see the gravitational effects it’s having on the other objects near it. It’s not proof there’s a new planet out there, but it’s consistent with it. So they are looking, either to rule it in or rule it out.
His sister was my 5th grade teacher.
That’s no moon. It’s a space station.
According to the Wikipedia article on Pluto, Percival Lowell's widow Constance first proposed the name "Zeus" for the newly-discovered object, then "Percival," then "Constance." The name Pluto was first proposed by an 11-year-old English girl named Venetia Burney, whose grandfather's brother was the person who came up with "Phobos" and "Deimos" for the moons of Mars.
Tombaugh was in his 80s when I heard him talk, but he was full of passion and excitement about astronomy. If his sister was anything like him, you were fortunate to have her as a teacher.
An “extra, extra” ping to the APoD list, plus this sidebar:
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Note: this topic is from 5/12/2012. Thanks LibWhacker.