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me | 5/13/12 | me

Posted on 05/13/2012 8:41:05 AM PDT by waterhill

My 02 GMC has 200k+ on her now, she is showing signs of old age. I want to upgrade to a diesel. Just wondering what the FReeper World thinks is the best diesel 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck.

I am not picky about brand names. I could go with a Ford for political reasons......

Much as garcias....


TOPICS: Agriculture; Chit/Chat; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: diesel; hauling; trucks
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1 posted on 05/13/2012 8:41:09 AM PDT by waterhill
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To: waterhill

why do you want a diesel?


2 posted on 05/13/2012 8:48:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: waterhill

Just from casual observations, I see a lot more older Fords on the road. They seem to last longer. My FIL is hooked on Dodge but I notice he trades them in every two years.


3 posted on 05/13/2012 8:48:37 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: waterhill

Maybe you should wait till after the election. Diesel is as expensive as it is. If the Marxist wins he’s going to do everything he can to raise that price into the stratosphere to cripple the economy even further which will raise food prices to astronomical levels getting more people dependent on the gov. which is just how he wants it.


4 posted on 05/13/2012 8:49:59 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: waterhill

I’ve always driven Toyota trucks and love them, but no diesel models available in US as of now.

My friends who drive diesels for their horse trailers etc like Dodges, because they have Cummings diesels, which last forever and get good mileage, too,


5 posted on 05/13/2012 8:50:22 AM PDT by moonhawk (Rush, Mark, Sean: Conservative talkers. Sarah, Newt: Conservative DOers. Mitt: Conservative faker)
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To: waterhill
Dodge trucks have the best diesel engine, but the truck will fall apart before the engine dies.

Best all around diesel truck is Ford, as the motor is good and the rest of the vehicle will hold up.

Chevy is pure junk all around.

6 posted on 05/13/2012 8:51:22 AM PDT by caltaxed
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To: caltaxed

That used to be true about Dodge but no longer.

Ford is good but very expensive.


7 posted on 05/13/2012 8:52:57 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: waterhill

Don’t have a personal preference but man can you make those deisels turn it on with some minor changes.


8 posted on 05/13/2012 8:53:33 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: caltaxed

Agree with waterhill. Ford is what you want. Dodges have lousy transmissions as well. Everything on them fails all around the bulletproof engine. Chevy duramax is good but not great. Get a ford.


9 posted on 05/13/2012 8:54:46 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: waterhill

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-350-super-duty/


10 posted on 05/13/2012 8:57:22 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: waterhill
My Dad has this enormous 5th wheel camper - he pulls it around with a Diesel Truck.

He bought a Ford as the truck for the task. F250 Diesel. About every option available except dually rear end. He burned up 2 transmissions in 110,000 miles though the engine never missed a beat.

So he bought a Dodge Cummins diesel, and he's never had any trouble with this truck. He and my mom have it on the road at least once a month, so they are using it often to tow heavy loads.

Like a poster said, he may have the entire truck go south on him before the diesel engine give up. That might be true of lots of diesel trucks, though.

11 posted on 05/13/2012 8:59:18 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: 1malumprohibitum

Friend owns a tranny shop and tells me Fords have the best trannys the last five years, also tells me he could’nt survive without Dodge trucks:)


12 posted on 05/13/2012 8:59:31 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: waterhill

For the average guy Diesel’s are overrated.

I bought my truck 6months before the Ford Ecoboost came out. I wish I’d waited. The nice thing about turbo is the low end torque which is what you get from diesel.

Dodge from what I’ve seen have way too many problems.


13 posted on 05/13/2012 8:59:32 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

I wanted to trade my ‘01 GMC extended cab 4WD Sierra on an F-150 but the Ford was more than 10 percent more expensive than the 2011 GMC, which I bought.

I was surprised to discover the 2011 Sierra no longer featured four wheel disc brakes (the back brakes are now drums.)

The new truck has the same 5.3 gasoline motor but with 6 speed auto transmission, it gets slightly better mileage. It doesn’t feel as strong as the ‘01 as the transmission is constantly hunting taller gears.


14 posted on 05/13/2012 8:59:38 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: waterhill
I brought an '03 Ford F-350 crew-cab with a bad 6.0 diesel engine. Previous owner had knocked off lower radiator hose and kept driving it. Not good.

I found a low-mileage '04 engine. I deleted the EGR. Had to Pull the cab off to replaced the engine, but well worth it.

Truck has 250K miles on it, but engine only has about 90K.

Runs great!

15 posted on 05/13/2012 8:59:54 AM PDT by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: waterhill

I was a GM and Mopar guy all my life. No more... Ford EARNED my respect and my money from now on. (I DID have a model A when I was a kid, and I tried to put a Hemi in it) lol


16 posted on 05/13/2012 9:02:13 AM PDT by No!
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

...and this would not happen with gasoline, along with everything else?


17 posted on 05/13/2012 9:02:24 AM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

If it’s hunting for gears i would have to think it’s running hot.


18 posted on 05/13/2012 9:02:52 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: HangnJudge

Ford’s new 6.7 diesel is the cats meow. Lots of power, great gas milage(16-21)and is the quietest diesel built.


19 posted on 05/13/2012 9:05:26 AM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: HangnJudge

Ford’s new 6.7 diesel is the cats meow. Lots of power, great gas milage(16-21)and is the quietest diesel built.


20 posted on 05/13/2012 9:05:31 AM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: HangnJudge

Ford’s new 6.7 diesel is the cats meow. Lots of power, great gas milage(16-21)and is the quietest diesel built.


21 posted on 05/13/2012 9:05:37 AM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: waterhill
From what I hear you do not want to buy a later model truck. The new low sulfur standards mean the injection system has not been developed too well and there are a lot of problems with them and low sulfur fuels. You have to use additives to save the fuel system.
22 posted on 05/13/2012 9:06:53 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: woodyinscc

Do I hear an echo?...


23 posted on 05/13/2012 9:11:43 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: waterhill

I need a pony.


24 posted on 05/13/2012 9:13:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: mountainlion

Most refiners have solved the aromaticity and lubricity issues with low sulfur fuel.


25 posted on 05/13/2012 9:15:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: heshtesh
The gage says it's cool.
26 posted on 05/13/2012 9:15:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: waterhill

I’ve been running an F350 for the past four years without any problems. Just your basic daily ride...


27 posted on 05/13/2012 9:16:34 AM PDT by benewton
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I’ve been running an F350 for the past four years without any problems. Just your basic daily ride...


28 posted on 05/13/2012 9:16:51 AM PDT by benewton
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To: waterhill

Three years ago I was accosted by a Ford salesman while having our compact serviced. I told him I was a long time GMC guy and usually threw rocks at Fords. He said, “You haven’t looked at Fords lately, have you.”

Long story short I traded my 16YO GMC 1/2-ton Silverado Extended Cab 4X4 for an ‘09 F-150 extended cab 4X4 with a 5.6 Liter gas engine. Best the Jimmy would do on the hwy was 13 mpg. After four cross-country trips that make up most of the 20K miles I have on the F-150, I’ve been getting ~20MPG hwy and 14+ in town. It’s rated for 11K pounds towing and 3K hauling, and hauling my 3K pound boat around doesn’t change that.

But the reason I bought it was that Ford has features the GM models don’t have yet. GM is stuck in the nineties. My F-150 is everything I ever wanted in a truck, including a closed circuit TV for hooking up the trailers.


29 posted on 05/13/2012 9:17:07 AM PDT by neversweat (40 years and I still miss it!)
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I tow a two horse trailer with a F250 5.4 liter with 160K trouble free miles. I looked at getting a diesel which would have cost about 10K more because even though it was only 6K more for the engine I couldn’t get one without other upgrades. I just have a plain old interior so the wet dogs can hop right in and I can hose her out. The only reason to buy a diesel is if you have a heavy load to haul. How heavy you contemplating? If I had a real big trailer like a 4 horse RV (wish wish) I’d go with a Ford F450 diesel. I like a lot of truck in front of my trailers so the trailer knows who’s boss. Diesels last but the maintenance is a lot higher. Brand is really a hard call since there are better combinations than others in all brands. I am a Ford guy, on my 5th Ford truck. Have Toyoto trucks for light hauling, good ride. Silverado seems most stylish and car like ride to me, other than Tundra. I had one Chrysler in my life, with the slant six, and that was a nice car, but I traded it for a 72 F250. Bottom line, what’s the load you gotta haul? Also nice toi have a dealer close to home.


30 posted on 05/13/2012 9:22:43 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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Ford. ‘nuff said.


31 posted on 05/13/2012 9:24:53 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Lazamataz

As i’m anticipating lower fuel prices in the future i’m just starting to build my new truck for delivering the finished product i mfg..As a full load in my trailer is not all that heavy i’m building a 434 stroker with a Gear Vender under/overdrive unit,should have all kinds of power with good gas milage.:)


32 posted on 05/13/2012 9:25:47 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: Lazamataz

How about a mony?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKyEyxwqS2c


33 posted on 05/13/2012 9:26:05 AM PDT by BipolarBob ("Oh no, I'm not sick, well I'm not physically sick anyway. Mentally I'm sick beyond any doctor's abi)
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To: waterhill

I have owned both Ford and Dodge diesel trucks. I have found that the Ford is better in fit and finish department but the Dodge is better as far as running gear. my current truck is an 04 2500 with the Cummins. When I purchased the truck new it got about 18 mpg average I chipped it (added a performance chip to the computer) put in a cold air intake and replaced the stock exaust with 5” from the turbo back. I now get 23 avg mpg and will get up to 30 highway. I took a trip from Wa. state to West Virginia carrying a 10’ camper and pulling a 16’ trailer with 3 4 wheelers and my camping gear. My round trip avg. mpg. was 15.7. You cant beat a Cummins


34 posted on 05/13/2012 9:26:31 AM PDT by standing man (stand tall)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The gage says it’s cool.

I just get nightmares when i think of towing with the GM700r4’s:)


35 posted on 05/13/2012 9:28:59 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: waterhill

I bought a used 02 Dodge 3500 4x4 dually three years ago and it has been great. No problems. I had the engine modified with a smarty chip, 4” exhaust Bully Dog pumps and a big air cleaner. It is an 8000lb truck and gets 20mpg on the highway. (I normally keep the chip set on economy, which still has 40 more hp than stock). However, the performance shop told me to stay off the higher performance settings of the chip as the transmission can’t handle it without modification. The beefed up tranny cost $4200.


36 posted on 05/13/2012 9:30:13 AM PDT by Boiling point
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I own a 2002 Silverado 3500 extended cab 4wd dually with the 8.1liter(496cid) Vortec, and I have a 2001 Silverado 2500 HD with the 6.6 Duramax. The dually has about 130k miles, never a bleep out of anything, biggest issue was a fuel pump replacement and a crank sensor.

The 2500 has about 200k miles, its been driven from Alaska to Arizona and back every year, never uses extra oil, has had some transmission issues and lost the transfer case, replaced a water pump and from some bad fuel parts of the injection system.

But the Duramax runs, and runs and runs. But I would get the heavier 3500 drive train, the 3/4 ton just wears out.

I own the dually, the 2500 belongs to the owner of the company I am the mechanic for so I do all the repair work.

Repairing the Duramax cost more compared to the 8100 Vortec, but as you know that engine cannot be bought even in a dually now, and yes its a gas crack whore, but I love its silent brute torque and smooth power.

I do not know what GM is selling but if I do buy it will be an engine options package of being multi fuel to run on natural gas, and I will have my own at home compressor/filling station.


37 posted on 05/13/2012 9:33:37 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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I bought an old (1980) F-250 Ford 4WD pickup from a friend who bought it new. The non-turbo engine is nicely broken in at 150,000 miles and the truck is still very usable for daily operation, albeit a bit bulky for downtown Miuba trips.


38 posted on 05/13/2012 9:33:52 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: heshtesh
A friend in Iowa bought a new Ford 250 as a replacement for his work truck.

Out of state, he fueled up and checked the oil and looked for the transmission dip stick, only to discover his new Ford doesn't have one.

Two days later in New Mexico, the truck coasts to the curb with a dead tranny; no fluid.

39 posted on 05/13/2012 9:38:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: waterhill

I’m on a horse!


40 posted on 05/13/2012 9:39:07 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: GladesGuru

Those 7.3 non turbos do 350,000 miles as an after thought,i’ve seen them with a lot more miles than that.


41 posted on 05/13/2012 9:40:40 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: mountainlion
That hasn't been a problem for awhile. 2% biodiesel fixed that. Any diesel over 2% bio is just icing on the lubricant cake. However, the more biodiesel, the more potential for water to appear. Fortunately, fuel filters can tie up the water just fine.
42 posted on 05/13/2012 9:41:25 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I worked on a friends late model Dodge truck, it belonged to his daughter, somebody sugered her gas, had to remove the fuel tank to clean it, had to replace all the fuel injecters.

Dodge does NOT have a fuel filter, just a strainer screen in the tank, I retro-fitted a high pressure frame mounted filter for them.

You could not give me a Dodge vehicle, they are designed in an alternate universe.


43 posted on 05/13/2012 9:43:24 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I certainly would,nt want anything without a dip stick,that’s just stupid in my book,one of the reasons i’ll just continue to build my own stuff.:)


44 posted on 05/13/2012 9:44:32 AM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Being a diesel mechanic I can say this, if you have a diesel and you are in very cold weather you must stay on your toes, you have to religiously monitor your fuel or you will gel it up. And frankly I prefer a gas engine in cold weather, they start easier for one thing and the torque band is better suited for icy roads.

But if I had to haul any real weight the diesel is the only way to go, the Fords are arguably on top of the game with GM behind and stumbling. I love Cummins engines but I totally despise the Dodge frame, electrical and driveline, the Chinese can make better knockoffs.


45 posted on 05/13/2012 9:50:03 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: waterhill

Don’t forget the DEF

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid

And no cheating, you can’t pee in the tank


46 posted on 05/13/2012 9:50:31 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: willgolfforfood

My fiancee’ has a custom Dodge 2500 diesel with a Cummins engine, 4x4 and 6 sp manual tranny. He has had no major malfunctions with it. He did have to replace the clutch recently but he just did it himself.


47 posted on 05/13/2012 9:51:29 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mountainlion

We talked to a lot of people and did a lot of searching online before buying our F-350. We hope to have a large 5th wheel in the next 1-2 years and everyone pretty much said go with Ford.


48 posted on 05/13/2012 9:56:27 AM PDT by she geek
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To: Lazamataz
I need a pony.

I can't help there, but you can have this Unicorn poop.

49 posted on 05/13/2012 9:56:36 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: TheRhinelander

Dodge is doing a complete redesign of their 2013 Models. Not just the sheet metal, but the platform as well.


50 posted on 05/13/2012 9:58:58 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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