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Microsoft's big bet: Windows 8's 'too many cooks' problem
ZDNet ^ | 5/22/12 | Zack Whittaker

Posted on 05/22/2012 8:18:52 AM PDT by illiac

Summary: Windows 8 has already had too many hands in the mix and spoons in the pot. Microsoft wanted different and its staff all thought “different”. Instead of reaching compromise, Microsoft put everything in to please everyone — but will likely please very few.

Microsoft has only a few months before it releases Windows 8, probably in or around October in time for Christmas holiday sales.

The company knows full well how risky the new design, the user interface, and the decisions it has made will be controversial. In a recent blog post, Windows president Steven Sinofsky opened by explaining the “context” in which Windows 8 will fall in to.

Microsoft wanted Windows 8 to be different and its developers and staff all thought about what “different” could mean. Instead of reaching compromise and a general consensus, Microsoft seemed to put everything in to please everyone — but combined, the changes will likely please very few.

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Thus far, a lot of negative press.....
1 posted on 05/22/2012 8:19:05 AM PDT by illiac
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I tried it on a desktop and a laptop ,it’s just a headache


2 posted on 05/22/2012 8:28:20 AM PDT by molson209
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No thanks; I’ll stay with Win-7 Pro for the foreseeable future. It’s stable, it works and Win-8 sucks pondwater, in its current configurational mess, as far as I can see.


3 posted on 05/22/2012 8:32:06 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: illiac

What is MS up to with their skip a generation bad OSs? It’s almost like they plan bad ones like Windows ME and Vista. Looks like waiting for Win 9 would be the best bet and in the future skip every other new one.


4 posted on 05/22/2012 8:36:28 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: illiac

I’m a sysadmin for a small company.

Frankly, I’m sick and tired of Microsoft changing the interface purely for change’s sake.

Office 2007 was a disaster. Hours of confusion and retraining because MS decided to move everything around for no good reason. Years of user familiarity with those programs suddenly of little value.

Now they want to radically change the OS? Why?

I don’t want to be impressed or wow’ed by the OS. I just want it to provide a reliable platform to run our apps.

For most business, computers aren’t cute little toys we use for entertainment. They’re valuable tools we rely on to conduct our business. From the looks of Win8, I can’t see a reason to recommend moving to this platform. The user retraining and lost productivity will cost far more than the upgrade cost. And what’s the benefit, other than eventually being forced by MS to upgrade?

We’ve looked at Linux on the desktop in the past, but never pursued it because changing the user environment that radically wasn’t worth the cost. Windows 8 seems to make Linux much more attractive.


5 posted on 05/22/2012 8:37:27 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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I downloaded and installed the Win 8 Consumer Preview. So far, I’m not impressed - the “Metro” Apps screen is as ugly as sin (red orange and green squares on a purple background)
And navigating around the environment will give you fits.
Microsoft wanted a “Smartphone” look and feel to the deskotp experience. Sorry, but I’m not sold on it. If they release it in its current iteration, I believe it will be a disaster.


6 posted on 05/22/2012 8:37:44 AM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: illiac

I am still working on converting to Windows 7.

We had to test over 16,000 applications and get them working and packaged on Windows 7, and some of them have caused a lot of trouble. Users continue to come up with new problems every day.


7 posted on 05/22/2012 8:38:52 AM PDT by proxy_user
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Sounds like it may be a Vista Redux.

I finally bought a Win7 laptop and desktop in late 2011 for home use. I lost a few programs due to incompatibility and lost the use of a laser printer because neither MS nor the mfg updated the drivers. Otherwise, Win7 is okay, with some irritating and aggravating features. I managed to install some old XP stuff and finagled them into working under Win7. The only real advantages I have found with Win7 are the easy networking between the laptop and desktop and the extended memory capability.

I have no intention of trying Win8 and hope Win7 works for a long, long time.


8 posted on 05/22/2012 8:38:52 AM PDT by TomGuy
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I loathe, dispise, and spit upon Microsoft - having suffered from their junk since they first spawned their ill-conceived junk on the unsuspecting public.

However, I (have to) use Windows 7 at work, and it’s actually not bad.

I’ll never knowingly purchase their stuff for my home, though. It’s Apple for the wife and I.


9 posted on 05/22/2012 8:40:12 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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I'm a professional developer and taught university-levvel programming for several decades. I downloaded Visual Studio's latest Beta which also brought Windows 8 along for the ride. I hated it so much, I wanted to remove it...only to find that there was no way to remove it other than reinstalling Windows 7. I was in FL at the time, with my master OS disks in IN...not good. Long story short: Windows 8 looks like a bad attempt to be an iPad when most users screens aren't touch sensitive. Usually I'm pretty good at adopting new technology, but W8 got in the way so badly and wasted so much time, I wasn't willing to even attempt to learn it. It really does look like a third grader did the user interface. I really think Microsoft should rethink things before they unleash W8 on the world.
10 posted on 05/22/2012 8:40:23 AM PDT by econjack
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If my experience with Windows is any indication, it is this — DON’T BUY THE NEXT VERSION OF WINDOWS UNTIL A YEAR AFTER ALL REVIEWS ARE IN.

Luckily, I bypassed Windows 95 and Windows Vista and waited a year after Windows 7 came out before buying it.

This will be the case for the OS that tries to be everything to every one — Windows 8. I’ll wait for Windows 9 perhaps.


11 posted on 05/22/2012 8:41:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: mkleesma

My thoughts as well.....I don’t want a windows iphone interface on my desktop....just give me an OS that works....


12 posted on 05/22/2012 8:42:23 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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RE: I loathe, dispise, and spit upon Microsoft - having suffered from their junk since they first spawned their ill-conceived junk on the unsuspecting public.

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So, Since Microsoft is universally hated and Apple universally loved, the obvious question is this -— when is Apple’s operating system going to capture nearly 90% of the market the way Windows did?


13 posted on 05/22/2012 8:43:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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Microsoft put everything in to please everyone

Translation:

It's Über Bloatware.

The most bloated thing Microsoft has ever attempted.

And THAT ladies and gentlemen is a VERY HIGH bar!

14 posted on 05/22/2012 8:45:04 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1218 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: illiac

Still running Windows XP here. Don’t see the point of subsequent changes. The obvious upgrade path from here is to OS X Mountain Lion.


15 posted on 05/22/2012 8:45:32 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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Frankly, I’m sick and tired of Microsoft changing the interface purely for change’s sake.

Absolutely!

Their ribbon menuing is the most asinine change they have ever made, except for the jumping around in file explorer.

Also, their changed interface with the disappearing/reappearing links in many areas is downright stupid. I have to move my mouse pointer all over the 'box' and guess that I might find a link. BRING BACK BUTTONS and pulldown menus! They made it obvious were the links were.

Designers of both all three should be shot, and they shouldn't even wait until sunrise.
16 posted on 05/22/2012 8:46:45 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: chrisser

Do you know of any way to restore the classic interface to Orifice 2007?


17 posted on 05/22/2012 8:46:45 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1218 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: chrisser

>> Frankly, I’m sick and tired of Microsoft changing the interface purely for change’s sake.

You mean like IE9? Buttons that were on the left are now on the right &etc. No new functionality, no new benefit, just change for change’s sake. Makes me a little MORE insane than I already was.


18 posted on 05/22/2012 8:49:39 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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“Microsoft wanted different....”

Why, for the love of God, why? If it ain’t broke DON’T FIX IT.


19 posted on 05/22/2012 8:50:27 AM PDT by Boogieman
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I like Windows 7, although I had some problems with it until the release of SP-1. But it looks like Windows 8 is going to be the worst loser yet. Too bad.


20 posted on 05/22/2012 8:51:27 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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