Skip to comments.Microsoft's big bet: Windows 8's 'too many cooks' problem
Posted on 05/22/2012 8:18:52 AM PDT by illiac
Summary: Windows 8 has already had too many hands in the mix and spoons in the pot. Microsoft wanted different and its staff all thought different. Instead of reaching compromise, Microsoft put everything in to please everyone but will likely please very few.
Microsoft has only a few months before it releases Windows 8, probably in or around October in time for Christmas holiday sales.
The company knows full well how risky the new design, the user interface, and the decisions it has made will be controversial. In a recent blog post, Windows president Steven Sinofsky opened by explaining the context in which Windows 8 will fall in to.
Microsoft wanted Windows 8 to be different and its developers and staff all thought about what different could mean. Instead of reaching compromise and a general consensus, Microsoft seemed to put everything in to please everyone but combined, the changes will likely please very few.
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I tried it on a desktop and a laptop ,it’s just a headache
No thanks; I’ll stay with Win-7 Pro for the foreseeable future. It’s stable, it works and Win-8 sucks pondwater, in its current configurational mess, as far as I can see.
What is MS up to with their skip a generation bad OSs? It’s almost like they plan bad ones like Windows ME and Vista. Looks like waiting for Win 9 would be the best bet and in the future skip every other new one.
I’m a sysadmin for a small company.
Frankly, I’m sick and tired of Microsoft changing the interface purely for change’s sake.
Office 2007 was a disaster. Hours of confusion and retraining because MS decided to move everything around for no good reason. Years of user familiarity with those programs suddenly of little value.
Now they want to radically change the OS? Why?
I don’t want to be impressed or wow’ed by the OS. I just want it to provide a reliable platform to run our apps.
For most business, computers aren’t cute little toys we use for entertainment. They’re valuable tools we rely on to conduct our business. From the looks of Win8, I can’t see a reason to recommend moving to this platform. The user retraining and lost productivity will cost far more than the upgrade cost. And what’s the benefit, other than eventually being forced by MS to upgrade?
We’ve looked at Linux on the desktop in the past, but never pursued it because changing the user environment that radically wasn’t worth the cost. Windows 8 seems to make Linux much more attractive.
I downloaded and installed the Win 8 Consumer Preview. So far, I’m not impressed - the “Metro” Apps screen is as ugly as sin (red orange and green squares on a purple background)
And navigating around the environment will give you fits.
Microsoft wanted a “Smartphone” look and feel to the deskotp experience. Sorry, but I’m not sold on it. If they release it in its current iteration, I believe it will be a disaster.
I am still working on converting to Windows 7.
We had to test over 16,000 applications and get them working and packaged on Windows 7, and some of them have caused a lot of trouble. Users continue to come up with new problems every day.
Sounds like it may be a Vista Redux.
I finally bought a Win7 laptop and desktop in late 2011 for home use. I lost a few programs due to incompatibility and lost the use of a laser printer because neither MS nor the mfg updated the drivers. Otherwise, Win7 is okay, with some irritating and aggravating features. I managed to install some old XP stuff and finagled them into working under Win7. The only real advantages I have found with Win7 are the easy networking between the laptop and desktop and the extended memory capability.
I have no intention of trying Win8 and hope Win7 works for a long, long time.
I loathe, dispise, and spit upon Microsoft - having suffered from their junk since they first spawned their ill-conceived junk on the unsuspecting public.
However, I (have to) use Windows 7 at work, and it’s actually not bad.
I’ll never knowingly purchase their stuff for my home, though. It’s Apple for the wife and I.
If my experience with Windows is any indication, it is this — DON’T BUY THE NEXT VERSION OF WINDOWS UNTIL A YEAR AFTER ALL REVIEWS ARE IN.
Luckily, I bypassed Windows 95 and Windows Vista and waited a year after Windows 7 came out before buying it.
This will be the case for the OS that tries to be everything to every one — Windows 8. I’ll wait for Windows 9 perhaps.
My thoughts as well.....I don’t want a windows iphone interface on my desktop....just give me an OS that works....
RE: I loathe, dispise, and spit upon Microsoft - having suffered from their junk since they first spawned their ill-conceived junk on the unsuspecting public.
So, Since Microsoft is universally hated and Apple universally loved, the obvious question is this -— when is Apple’s operating system going to capture nearly 90% of the market the way Windows did?
It's Über Bloatware.
The most bloated thing Microsoft has ever attempted.
And THAT ladies and gentlemen is a VERY HIGH bar!
Still running Windows XP here. Don’t see the point of subsequent changes. The obvious upgrade path from here is to OS X Mountain Lion.
Do you know of any way to restore the classic interface to Orifice 2007?
>> Frankly, Im sick and tired of Microsoft changing the interface purely for changes sake.
You mean like IE9? Buttons that were on the left are now on the right &etc. No new functionality, no new benefit, just change for change’s sake. Makes me a little MORE insane than I already was.
“Microsoft wanted different....”
Why, for the love of God, why? If it ain’t broke DON’T FIX IT.
I like Windows 7, although I had some problems with it until the release of SP-1. But it looks like Windows 8 is going to be the worst loser yet. Too bad.
Not sure about Office, but I did find an interface program that sort of helps restore some of the XP-like features to file explorer:
You might try google search for ‘classic menu’
....the wife and ME....is the correct usage.
The words you use should be the same when used TOGETHER as they would be if used separately. So if “...it’s Apple for the wife at home” if used singly......and if “...it’s Apple for me at home” when used singly; then it’s the same when used together, as illustrated above.
Other than that, you done good! ;oD
If you find out, nav, pls Ping me. I want it back, too.
DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run...
I’m sitting on my laurels to have been ahead of the curve, went Apple from TI 99/4a, bought stock....mmmmmm. Microsoft is deservedly on the way out for being squares and dweebs.
I believe W8 is targeted to the mobile computing market. As in the presumed successor to the desktop and laptop. I think they’re putting it out there early to give hardware developers an OS to develop their hardware to. The end result will be a MS IPAD-like device which replaces desktop and laptops. You just bring it with you wherever you go and connect via whatever network is available.
Agreed that the mobile interface makes ZERO sense on a desktop. With the prevalence of iPads and other tablet devies taking over for desktops... It does make a certain kind of sense.
Heck, even 2008 Server indulged the idiocy of changing interfaces for the heck of it rather than to improve things. The entire way of using the GPO administrative application changed. You basically had to completely unlearn the process and learn the new one. What crack smoking moron decided to do that to SysAdmins?
I took a class on writing user interfaces some time ago, and it was a pretty basic rule that you don’t yank the rug out from under users and make them relearn everything without a damned good reason. Microsoft seems to like doing it on a lark.
98 Good, ME, not so much.
XP excellent. Vista, junk.
Windows 7 good. Windows 8 will likely be unusable.
Yeah, their server shenanigans are a whole separate rant of mine. Especially since I have both 03 and 08 boxes in production and have to keep switching between the two (not to mention the convoluted mess IIS turned into).
Yeah. Hindsight is 20/40...
Never. Apple does not want to play in the low-margin market, so that will be left to others. Figure 30% market share for desktops is the most reasonable target, but all on the upper 50% of desktops by price. Probably higher market share for laptops, but again, all in the upper half of systems.
The rest of the market.... well, that's Microsoft for now, but don't be too surprised some years down the road if Linux becomes standardized enough to be the OS of choice for low-end hardware such as netbooks, because the price of the OS for something like Windows will be prohibitive compared to hardware cost.
To head that off, Microsoft will have to cut prices and deal with smaller profits on a smaller piece of the overall pie, though they could still easily have a majority of marketshare, but without the profits they're accustomed to.
There are plugins that you can install to bring the old menus back. UBitMenu is one of them, but there are others too.
Uggh! Tablets/smart phones are useful for processing other people's data, but they are awful for entering anything more than a minimal amount of data. For example, I love playing music on my iPod Touch, but I could never imagine editing music on it - the touch user interface is just far too sloppy on positioning to do any useful cutting and pasting. It gets a little better with a capacitive stylus, but you don't get the single pixel positioning like you can with a mouse.
Similarly, viewing webpages is wonderful on a tablet (for most sites, some stink on ice without a full screen). But even entering this amount of data and html codes would just be painful. If I'm responding on FR on a tablet, I usually skip quoting other text or putting in any html codes. And even then it takes many times longer to type that it would with a real keyboard.
Originally (pre-PC) the whole concept of SOFTware was that you could change it without changing the HARDware.
Now, every OS “upgrade” requires significant hardware improvments.
I gave up on this “upgrade racket” awhile ago. I got an extra refurb-XP when Vista came out.
I’m going lower tech because I’m really just not interested in completely updating my stuff just because some company want a new influx of cash.
Same for me on cell phones. I have not and don’t plan on getting iPhone, etc..
See post #37, thanks Boogieman!
your comments have been made with every windows upgrade since windows 3.1
Which ones? I made quite a few distinct points.
I tried the beta...hated it.
For the tech PING list.
The day Apple starts selling machines as cheaply as the Windows machines, they will take over the market.
But I sure wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
“Weve looked at Linux on the desktop in the past, but never pursued it because changing the user environment that radically wasnt worth the cost. Windows 8 seems to make Linux much more attractive.”
If all the user needs is the functionality of a web browser and an “office” environment, Linux fills the bill nicely. Even the latest Ubuntu can be tweaked in minutes to resemble Windows XP so well that it takes the average person a little while to figure out they are not running Windows. Perhaps Joe Sixpack could not set up Linux to that extent, but any competent IT Dept. should be able to if I can do it (’cuz I don’t even know Unix).
There is a program that can restore the look and feel of Office 2003 to 2007 and 2010. I can’t think of the name off hand but when I get home I’ll look it up.