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Microsoft's big bet: Windows 8's 'too many cooks' problem
ZDNet ^ | 5/22/12 | Zack Whittaker

Posted on 05/22/2012 8:18:52 AM PDT by illiac

Summary: Windows 8 has already had too many hands in the mix and spoons in the pot. Microsoft wanted different and its staff all thought “different”. Instead of reaching compromise, Microsoft put everything in to please everyone — but will likely please very few.

Microsoft has only a few months before it releases Windows 8, probably in or around October in time for Christmas holiday sales.

The company knows full well how risky the new design, the user interface, and the decisions it has made will be controversial. In a recent blog post, Windows president Steven Sinofsky opened by explaining the “context” in which Windows 8 will fall in to.

Microsoft wanted Windows 8 to be different and its developers and staff all thought about what “different” could mean. Instead of reaching compromise and a general consensus, Microsoft seemed to put everything in to please everyone — but combined, the changes will likely please very few.

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To: kevkrom

your comments have been made with every windows upgrade since windows 3.1


41 posted on 05/22/2012 10:22:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
your comments have been made with every windows upgrade since windows 3.1

Which ones? I made quite a few distinct points.

42 posted on 05/22/2012 10:30:23 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: illiac

I tried the beta...hated it.


43 posted on 05/22/2012 10:36:53 AM PDT by arielguard (Fasting without prayer is vainglory.)
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To: ShadowAce

For the tech PING list.


44 posted on 05/22/2012 11:05:05 AM PDT by CedarDave (Romney: Dresses and looks like a '50's character from "Mad Men" but no one's buying his shtick.)
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To: illiac; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

45 posted on 05/22/2012 11:08:31 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: SeekAndFind
So, Since Microsoft is universally hated and Apple universally loved, the obvious question is this -— when is Apple’s operating system going to capture nearly 90% of the market the way Windows did?

The day Apple starts selling machines as cheaply as the Windows machines, they will take over the market.

But I sure wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

47 posted on 05/22/2012 11:16:23 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: chrisser

“We’ve looked at Linux on the desktop in the past, but never pursued it because changing the user environment that radically wasn’t worth the cost. Windows 8 seems to make Linux much more attractive.”

If all the user needs is the functionality of a web browser and an “office” environment, Linux fills the bill nicely. Even the latest Ubuntu can be tweaked in minutes to resemble Windows XP so well that it takes the average person a little while to figure out they are not running Windows. Perhaps Joe Sixpack could not set up Linux to that extent, but any competent IT Dept. should be able to if I can do it (’cuz I don’t even know Unix).


48 posted on 05/22/2012 12:26:54 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: null and void

There is a program that can restore the look and feel of Office 2003 to 2007 and 2010. I can’t think of the name off hand but when I get home I’ll look it up.


49 posted on 05/22/2012 12:44:51 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: null and void

http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/


50 posted on 05/22/2012 12:48:38 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: TomGuy

I can’t thank you enough for providing the classic interface link to sourceforge!

I’ve got a 1 yr old Win7 laptop that I like very much, but have so missed my winxp machine. The xp box just isn’t portable and I needed something I could take on the road with me. I’ve seriously considered uninstalling win 7 and reloading it with xp. I was able to tell xp to give me the classic interface. However, I also respect the added security that win7 implemented over previous OS’s.

I also love Linux (mint varieties) but that OS overheats this particular model laptop, and it’s drivers don’t work well with my soundcard. Finding software to stream music from online was also an issue so to save the life of my pc, I was forced to revert back to win7 as all of my older software was in storage and I couldn’t access it.

I installed the software you provided the link for and when I click my start menu I see what I LIKE to see!! What a relief!

If anybody decides to use the classic menu software, do be sure and read the accompanying readme doc and follow instructions to complete the installation of additional features.

Thank-you again for your most useful post! I made the point of saving the link so that I can check back with them from time to time for other software.


51 posted on 05/22/2012 1:08:37 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: Tzfat
Lesson? Microsoft is all about themselves, not the customer. What they think looks cool is what matters to them.

And therein lies one of the most important and fundamental pieces of sound business management that any company can learn.

Companies that don't survey their public for what products and services they actually want, are doomed to failure.

52 posted on 05/22/2012 1:42:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Boogieman

Is this the one you’d recommend and use yourself? Thank you very much for your kind help!


53 posted on 05/22/2012 1:43:18 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: illiac

Microsoft just isn’t the same company it once was when their stock was soaring. I suspect most of the good people have left and what’s left are the folks who couldn’t find jobs elsewhere. Needless to say that Ballmer is not Bill Gates either. It may not be technically “over” for MS but their best days are clearly behind them.


54 posted on 05/22/2012 1:50:03 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: longtermmemmory

I go way back to DOS2 (1982), and later to Windows 286 Runtime (late 80s). Win v3.1 was a real trip, wasn’t it?


55 posted on 05/22/2012 1:52:00 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

I haven’t used it myself; I tried installing another plug-in when they first changed the interface, but it did not work well, and by the time I heard about this one I had gotten used to the new menus. It does seem like the most popular/most recommended one out there though.


56 posted on 05/22/2012 4:21:30 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: illiac
Thus far, a lot of negative press.....

What do they care? Every fool buying a new desktop that's not a Mac, is going to be forced to deal with it, and like a battered spouse, they'll keep coming back for more.

I'm so glad I don't use any of their stuff any more.

I'd say that this is a good opportunity (again) for Linux to make some inroads, but the vast majority out there is too incompetent to install it, even when it's just a matter of inserting a disk and pressing a button.

57 posted on 05/22/2012 9:34:51 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: drbuzzard
I took a class on writing user interfaces some time ago, and it was a pretty basic rule that you don’t yank the rug out from under users and make them relearn everything without a damned good reason. Microsoft seems to like doing it on a lark.

Yeah, companies do stupid things when they don't have to care whether or not their customer likes their product, because they buy it anyway.

58 posted on 05/22/2012 9:43:56 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Boogieman

Thanks; I’ll install it as soon as I get back and let you know how it works.


59 posted on 05/23/2012 3:59:31 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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