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Fox Sues Dish Over Ad-Zapper; Dish Sues Everyone
tvpredictions.com ^ | May 24, 2012 | Phillip Swann

Posted on 05/25/2012 2:29:21 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

Fox has sued Dish Network over its new Auto Hop feature which automatically eliminates network commercials during recorded playback.

Update at 6:15 p.m. ET: Dish has filed suit against all four major networks, asking for a ruling that Auto Hop does not infringe any network copyright and that the satcaster is not in violation of its agreement with the networks. Also, NBC Universal filed a separate suit against Dish.

The Fox suit, which was filed in Los Angeles, says the Auto Hop feature is not authorized and violates the satcaster's license with Fox. The network adds that Auto Hop could destroy its business model because viewers would not see their commercials.

Auto Hop, which was added this month to Dish's new Hopper HD DVR, allows viewers to watch the playback of a network show without ever seeing the commercials. (Auto Hop works with the set-top's 'PrimeTime Anytime' network recordings. The Hopper automatically records all primetime shows on ABC, Fox, NBC and CBS.)

Unlike the Fast Forward button on a DVR, Auto Hop automatically removes the commercial without the viewer doing a thing.

NBC and Fox network executives last week blasted the Auto Hop, saying it was an "insult" and an "attack."


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: hdtv

1 posted on 05/25/2012 2:29:30 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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To: ADemocratNoMore; advertising guy; aft_lizard; AJMaXx; Alice in Wonderland; american colleen; ...
Pinging the HDTV list..

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2 posted on 05/25/2012 2:33:02 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("All 57 states, (or is it 58?), must stand together and defeat O-bozo! VOTE the usurper out!!")
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To: Las Vegas Dave
NO MORE SCHTICKY ADS?****************SMU*



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3 posted on 05/25/2012 2:49:05 AM PDT by jimsin (w)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Wasn’t the point of paying for TV access so you wouldn’t be forced to endure commercials?


4 posted on 05/25/2012 2:52:38 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
I guess I'm next since I go out for a smoke or take a dump during the commercials.
If I don't I'm flipping around.

Did you ever notice many stations seem to be syncing commercials now?

5 posted on 05/25/2012 2:54:42 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Funny. The whole benefit of watching pre-recorded is to avoid commercials. I skip them any way.


6 posted on 05/25/2012 3:00:25 AM PDT by dbeall
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To: Las Vegas Dave

If they are going to shove their damn commercials down our throats we need to pass a law so that they’ve got to put all of the commercials at the beginning or end of the show or movie, it would piss them off but hey then I can could watch more then two minutes of a movie without having to watch 5 minutes of commercials.< /s>


7 posted on 05/25/2012 3:16:18 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite (1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: listenhillary
Wasn’t the point of paying for TV access so you wouldn’t be forced to endure commercials?

You're paying for the delivery, not the content. Well, if it is a cable channel, then you are also paying partly for the content, as the cable or dish provider must pay the channel owner a certain amount per subscriber. But for broadcast network channels, you're only paying for the delivery. Eyeballs viewing the commercials pays for the content.

Without ads, you'd pay much, much more. Look at the premium you must pay for HBO or Cinemax vs. ESPN.

8 posted on 05/25/2012 3:19:00 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Las Vegas Dave

The cure for TV is teevee...
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9 posted on 05/25/2012 3:22:58 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Yo-Yo

It started that way, but, now Dish, Direct, Comcast and everyone ends up paying even for those channels. There have been many disputes over those payments where companies took all the broadcast network channels they own off one system or another until settled.


10 posted on 05/25/2012 3:26:58 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Fox should do like the sports events and paint CGI ads on the furniture or background.


11 posted on 05/25/2012 3:36:05 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

It is not Dish’s fault that the broadcast companies of today are too stupid to realise what was obvious to broadcast companies in the 1920s.


12 posted on 05/25/2012 3:37:22 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: this_ol_patriot

How can anyone fail to notice, and it’s nothing new.

Channel surfing today is a waste of time all of them put their commercials on at the same time. When you channel surf you are just surfing the other channels commercials.

Don’t even try to say that isn’t a deliberate act.

Yes I do remember when they used to say with pay TV you wouldn’t be bothered with commercials. What a crock that was.


13 posted on 05/25/2012 3:42:04 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: John W
It started that way, but, now Dish, Direct, Comcast and everyone ends up paying even for those channels.

You are absolutely correct and thank you for the correction. Local television stations can either demand "must carry" or negotiate "retransmission consent" with local cable channels and dish providers.

14 posted on 05/25/2012 4:07:22 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I just got this Hopper whole-home DVR from Dish. So much better than cable! I love it, and the commercial-skipping is one major reason.


15 posted on 05/25/2012 4:27:44 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: Bobalu

Cat’s out of the bag now! Amazing how people want to fight hand-to-hand combat with advertisers when the Internet death ray is already available.


16 posted on 05/25/2012 4:39:57 AM PDT by relictele (We are officially OUT of other people's money!)
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To: RightFighter

The cable companies better step up and add a similar service. Oops did I just stumble on how that would roll out - fee for service?


17 posted on 05/25/2012 5:04:39 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I wonder if the Hopper works better than the same feature on my old ReplayTV. It worked most of the time, but occasionally skipped part of a show especially if the scene got dark and quiet for dramatic effect.


18 posted on 05/25/2012 5:21:32 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

‘could destroy its business model’

I watch many things via Netflix, because I hate watching 20 minutes per hour of commercials. The same commercials. Over and over and over.

I also record (DVR+HD) many programs just so I can watch them later with the capability of fast forwarding through the commercials. The same commercials. Over and over and over.


19 posted on 05/25/2012 5:23:53 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Yo-Yo
Without ads, you'd pay much, much more. Look at the premium you must pay for HBO or Cinemax vs. ESPN.

True....BUT, the original broadcast goes out with the ads intact. It's the ability to skip them during recorded playbacks that seems to be the issue. How many folks record shows just to be able to avoid the ads? I can't see a huge number of people purposely recording shows to play them back at a later time with that as a specific goal - usually they record to either not miss it because they aren't there for the original broadcast ot to save it.

20 posted on 05/25/2012 6:41:00 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Yo-Yo

Or perhaps not - I misunderstood the first read through...


21 posted on 05/25/2012 6:42:58 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

The easiest, simplest and best solution is to wait a year and rent the show on Blu Ray. No commercials, chapters added, and great PQ and audio.


22 posted on 05/25/2012 6:53:27 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I don’t watch much TV, but I would not get one of these.
Mostly because some of the commercials are better than most TV!


23 posted on 05/25/2012 7:36:58 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: listenhillary
Wasn’t the point of paying for TV access so you wouldn’t be forced to endure commercials?

Remove commercials and you'll pay a lot more for satellite and cable.

24 posted on 05/25/2012 7:42:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I mute the commercials when watching live TV.

The wife of a friend of mine works in the TV commercial industry - she winces like I just kicked her every time I do it.

I find that amusing!


25 posted on 05/25/2012 7:48:16 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

I mute internet commercials before a video. If the advertiser is “cute” and disables the funtion, I use the who system mute.

As for the networks, it is call a fast forward. At 100x fast forward it manually hops over their nonsense. This hop feature is nothing more than a timed commercial.


26 posted on 05/25/2012 8:00:58 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: All

right now auto hop is just on the networks (who watches the network ghetto?)

If it becomes available on the other channels imagine what would happen to MSNBC? Dead air! Msnbc is an all obama commercials. A whole generation would forget chrissy mathews.


27 posted on 05/25/2012 8:06:07 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Is there a statute that commercials must be watched?


28 posted on 05/25/2012 8:41:16 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: All

perhaps the time for ala carte has arrived.

I would love to be able to zap cross network commercials for shows I do not want to see or ad crawls which destroy the viewing experience.


29 posted on 05/25/2012 8:42:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: NormsRevenge

I was considering this the other day on the thread about going after illegal downloaders. I don’t have a DVR but like to download broadcast tv shows at the end of the season, so I can watch them as time allows. If DVR is considered fair use and simply time shifting, am I not doing the same thing by just downloading it later. I am not building a collection. After I watch an episode, I delete it. I thought the case could be made about commercials, but people with DVR’s fast forward through the commercials and Dish allows you to remove them altogether.

Before people start flaming me for being a thief/infringer, I only download music from itunes, amazon, or indie sites. Movies come from redbox or blockbuster express. I only download broadcast tv shows like Fringe, Lost, Community, etc... I am only curious how downloading a tv program is different from DVR’ing the same program with the commercials removed.


30 posted on 05/25/2012 9:09:27 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: trebb
How many folks record shows just to be able to avoid the ads? I can't see a huge number of people purposely recording shows to play them back at a later time with that as a specific goal - usually they record to either not miss it because they aren't there for the original broadcast ot to save it.

We do. In a one hour slot, there is typically 45 minutes of programming and 15 minutes of commercial. My DVR remote has a "skip forward 30 seconds" button, which makes it convenient to skip the commercial segment with a few hits of the button.

31 posted on 05/25/2012 9:13:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Actually you pay more for ESPN than for HBO, it’s just indirectly. ESPN charges your cable company at least $25 per subscriber in the appropriate tier (which is usually the lowest tier) which of course gets passed on to you, I can get HBO for $15. ESPN is owned by The Mouse, The Mouse always wins.


32 posted on 05/25/2012 9:20:54 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: trebb
How many folks record shows just to be able to avoid the ads?

I do that all the time. There's nothing on TV that I HAVE to see the night it is aired.

33 posted on 05/25/2012 9:37:53 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: discostu
ESPN charges your cable company at least $25 per subscriber in the appropriate tier

Source? That's almost an order of magnitude off. This source says just over $5 per sub for ESPN and ESPN2, which are far and away the highest per sub in the non-Premium tier. Most of the other channels are less than $1 per sub, some much less.

34 posted on 05/25/2012 12:32:08 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

When they were arguing with Cox (my cable providor) Cox was saying 24 in e-mails to us hoping we’d tell ESPN to lower the cost. Guess Cox lied.


35 posted on 05/25/2012 12:37:51 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: ReformedBeckite
If they are going to shove their damn commercials down our throats we need to pass a law so that they’ve got to put all of the commercials at the beginning or end of the show or movie, it would piss them off but hey then I can could watch more then two minutes of a movie without having to watch 5 minutes of commercials.< /s>

I think they did that in West Germany back in the 1980's where they had the commercials at the top of the hour. if they did that, I don't know if they still do that today or not.
36 posted on 05/25/2012 5:38:56 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I’m waiting for a DVR that will reach out and slap network executives and advertising people upside the head.


37 posted on 05/25/2012 9:36:41 PM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Some might remember when CATV was strictly a license to steal. Back in those days one of the CATV providers was sued by WGN for stealing their signal and stripping out WGN’s commercials and replacing them with their own.

WGN lost that suit, as I recall, don’t know if there has been other cases that might have overturned that.


38 posted on 05/27/2012 12:34:13 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: KarlInOhio
I wonder if the Hopper works better than the same feature on my old ReplayTV. It worked most of the time, but occasionally skipped part of a show especially if the scene got dark and quiet for dramatic effect.

This is why I would not want to use it. I'm perfectly happy DVR'ing the shows and skipping the commercials manually. Besides, there might be a commercial I want to see.

39 posted on 05/28/2012 7:06:52 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: allmendream
I mute the commercials when watching live TV.

As do I when I watch, which is less with each passing day. But notice how Fox New Channel/and their sponsors, knowing this, blast that frantic voiceover pitchman sandwiched betwixt the end of a segment and the traditional ad break. I've given some thought before of going Elvis on a TV. Won't be long before the networks and their allies devise even more intrusive tricks to reach their shrinking audience. Two more months with DISH and my 24 month contract and it's so long suckas. Although I don't hold them accountable for the crap content and they've been fair while providing excellent customer service, unlike ATT&T who tried to cheat me when I was their customer. But that's an integral part of their business model and who they are...they can't help it.

40 posted on 05/28/2012 7:26:59 AM PDT by Dysart (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Yo-Yo
Most of the other channels are less than $1 per sub, some much less.

Some they should pay us for.

41 posted on 05/29/2012 12:32:04 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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