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Hawaii's 'VERIFICATION OF BIRTH' Document Raises Suspicion!
Talking Points Memo ^ | May 25, 2012 | Talking Points Memo

Posted on 05/25/2012 12:09:02 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Here's the official 'Verification of Birth' document submitted by Hawaii's Department of Health to the State of Arizona in response to SoS Ken Bennett's request for verification of Obama's birth, allegedly in Hawaii.

Note that Obama's alleged DAY OF BIRTH IS OMITTED from the listed items. Shouldn't the DAY of Obama's birth be present in this document?

Now, if Obama can be proven to not have been born in Hawaii, it would seem Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D. would have some 'splaining to do.. Unlike the 'official' birth certificate released by the White House, at least there's no 'smiley face' drawn into the "A" in Alvin's name.


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KEYWORDS: arizona; birth; birthcertificate; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama
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Here's the direct link to the document: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2012/05/hawaiis-verification-of-president-obamas-birth.php?page=1

Seems we still do not have the long form, nor do we have any discussion of Obama not being eligible to be President due to the fact his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Barack's birth (not a 'Natural Born Citizen').

1 posted on 05/25/2012 12:09:06 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

This is a blog, right?

I’m not knocking it, just asking.

Am I correct that the AZ SOS was seeking documentation, or verification of such, that would entitle Obama to appear on the AZ ballot, yet the issue he pursued was ONLY Obama’s birth in Hawaii and NOT the one of his being a natural born citizen or not?


2 posted on 05/25/2012 12:14:05 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

3 posted on 05/25/2012 12:15:14 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: txrangerette

It’s a pretty left-wing source.


4 posted on 05/25/2012 12:15:38 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

He’s the messiah and messiahs are not born. They are immaculated!


5 posted on 05/25/2012 12:16:12 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Doesn’t this come back to the difference between a “Certificate of Live Birth”, and a “Birth Certificate”. It seems probable that Obama was born* — and that’s all a COLB verifies.

(* You could make arguments for “hatched”, “cloned”, “stitched together and zapped by lightening”, or any number of alternatives to “born” — but, that is another discussion.)


6 posted on 05/25/2012 12:16:50 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Hawaii State Registrar does not verify authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate - Washington Times
7 posted on 05/25/2012 12:18:19 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: txrangerette

It was the only place I could find the actual document other than the DUmmies site which I did not want to link to. I don’t know why Bennett backed down on this issue. Perhaps the document helps Arpaio and his investigation, if you know what I mean.


8 posted on 05/25/2012 12:18:27 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: txrangerette

“yet the issue he pursued was ONLY Obama’s birth in Hawaii”

The only issue that the Hawaii Department of Health is qualified to address is what their records contain regarding Obama’s birth. A State registrar is in no position to address natural born citizen status with regard to parent’s citizenship etc.


9 posted on 05/25/2012 12:19:12 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Add “immaculated” to my list of alternatives in # 6.


10 posted on 05/25/2012 12:19:12 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I guess Messiahs don’t have A DAY OF BIRTH?? This omission from this document screams so loud I’m practically deaf.


11 posted on 05/25/2012 12:21:32 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: FewsOrange

But I’m talking about what the SOS of AZ was using as the standard for what would qualify Obama for their ballot, and asking, was he ONLY seeking verification for O’s birth in Hawaii, and if he got that, or what he believes is that, then he’s fine with O on the ballot?

If anything I asked was construed as suggesting Hawaii could address the natural born issue, that wasn’t my intention.


12 posted on 05/25/2012 12:25:53 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

This is what convinced Arizona’s Sec. of State? So called original birth certificates didn’t work, but a letter from Onaki does? LOL


13 posted on 05/25/2012 12:29:45 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Always a lot of complicated stuff for a simple $12 certificate that could have been submitted to a civilian court and a military court. But no, shuckin' and jivin' all the time.


14 posted on 05/25/2012 12:32:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

The Announcements sidebar is reserved for FR business and the Frontpage sidebar is reserved for news items that are truly Front Page news. Not this.


15 posted on 05/25/2012 12:32:18 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

At the bottom of the document, it does give dates for the mother’s signature and the attendant’s signature.

Those are in early August of 1961.

The document does claim that the state of Hawaii has on record a birth certificate that Obama was born there. It doesn’t claim that this is that document, simply that they have one they purport shows that.


16 posted on 05/25/2012 12:32:45 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

What about the name of the doc that delivered him? Does anyone know his name?


17 posted on 05/25/2012 12:33:00 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: philetus

Apparently you cannot have access to Obama’s original birth certificate.

If so, then it’s either this, or nothing.


18 posted on 05/25/2012 12:35:06 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

What a conundrum. At this point lets just kick his ash out come November and send the Kenyan fraud packing off to Hawaii, Chicago or back to Africa.


19 posted on 05/25/2012 12:36:10 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Don’t fall for this...TPM is a far-left website which is using sarcasm to try and suck us into this. Don’t take the bait.


20 posted on 05/25/2012 12:37:08 PM PDT by montag813
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Tbis is exactly what we've been getting all along, an unsubstantiated claim.

The digitally created crap released by Obama still needs to be explained. WHY was the forgery committed?

21 posted on 05/25/2012 12:40:20 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Why give time of birth but not day of birth? This is crazy. There is only on reason for years they have just not given the complete, accurate info out. After all this time to keep holding stuff back.


22 posted on 05/25/2012 12:44:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Red Badger
The question is, would Obama be able to obtain a driver's license with this document? The answer is......NO. Therefore, it's not proof. OTOH, he's not eligible no matter what ‘cause his Daddy was a British National....not a U.S. citizen.
23 posted on 05/25/2012 12:49:39 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: F15Eagle
Ann's Baby
24 posted on 05/25/2012 12:53:40 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: liberalh8ter

Try telling that to a liberal. It’s like talking to a cow.............


25 posted on 05/25/2012 12:54:02 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger
My favorite part about talking to a liberal is when they can no longer support their argument and pull a random, disconnected factoid from their posterior. While it seems futile, I choose to believe from the ruby-red color of their ear tips that they've just learned something, even though they won't concede.
26 posted on 05/25/2012 12:59:15 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
It seems like another document verying the existence of another document.

I want to see Arizona use full faith and credit to get physical access to the public records of Hawaii. A person from Arizona needs to see it all firsthand.

-PJ

27 posted on 05/25/2012 1:03:38 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: liberalh8ter

Or they eventually call you a fascist and a Nazi and walk away mumbling things........................


28 posted on 05/25/2012 1:09:48 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

The bastard was hatched on a stump like a lizard. So why the hell does anyone think he has a birth certificate?


29 posted on 05/25/2012 1:10:07 PM PDT by crz
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To: Red Badger
Yeah.... that happens, too. LOL
30 posted on 05/25/2012 1:11:58 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

That’s because the date of birth wasn’t requested on the SPECIAL request for verification, which is the only part of Bennett’s request that was retained as originally filed. The items that actually matter to Presidential eligibility were all on the VERIFICATION REQUEST FORM that Bennett submitted. The HDOH never responded to that official form and yet Bennett said he had gotten what he asked for so apparently Bennett withdrew that request form.

Why he did that is discussed at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2887501/posts


31 posted on 05/25/2012 1:12:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Admin Moderator

Front Page is for the really serious stuff, like Obama referring to his sons?


32 posted on 05/25/2012 1:14:11 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Red Badger
Assuming this is the actual reply from Hawaii DOH Registrar Onaka it seems to have a few problems.

1/ No Birth date verified

2/ Its an e-mailed computer file, legally ambiguous at the very best. If true legal contact had been established the SOS should have FedEx'ed a notarized letter and and Hawaii should have replied with a physical verification letter by return courier.

3/ “Date Accepted” terminology, as opposed to “Date Filed”

4/ The verification is of the “information” contained in the SOS’s Obama file attachment. Hawaii does not verify that 151 61 10641 actually is a certificate of Live birth. Only that it is a vital record or birth certificate.

If the Registrar had a legit Certificate of Live Birth he would have verified it with an exact phrase that states EXACTLY what is being verified.

This is all just a game to come up with language that “sounds great” to a lay person but in precise legal terms does not hold water. It contains wiggle room for Onaka to escape.

33 posted on 05/25/2012 1:21:46 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: txrangerette
According to the emails publicly released by freedom of information request, the AZ SOS's original request for verification of the birth certificate was pretty specific. The request asked Hawaii to verify something like the following: Do you have on file the birth certificate for a Barack Hussein Obama II, who was born at Kapiolani Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, on August 4, 1961 at 7:24 pm, to father Barrack H Obama, born East Africa, Kenya, and mother Stanley Dunham, born Wichita Kansas? AZ SOS, Bennett's original request also asked whether the birth certificate posted by the White House was a true copy of the record on file in Hawaii.

Hawaii refused to accept the above request, or verify that the birth certificate posted by the White House's website was a true representation of Obama's birth certificate. In fact, Hawaii apparently required the AZ SOS to withdraw his ORIGINAL request, and then "reword" it to make the request more ambiguous before Hawaii would finally verify it.

By the way, it doesn't seem that the AZ SOS was interested Obama's parent's citizenship as much as his birth place.

34 posted on 05/25/2012 1:37:24 PM PDT by old republic
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Obama said he was born in Kenya. That’s good enough for me.

Paraphrased quote:

“I actually WAS born in Kenya...before I was born in Hawaii.”


35 posted on 05/25/2012 1:38:28 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Red Badger

That’s an awfully mean thing to say - about cows.


36 posted on 05/25/2012 1:45:39 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: Red Badger

That’s an awfully mean thing to say - about cows.


37 posted on 05/25/2012 1:46:06 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: Red Badger

Age of Father....

27 was the real age or at least that age that matches his INS records and he filled out in late August of 1961.


38 posted on 05/25/2012 1:46:34 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Red Badger

That’s pretty bizarre. Why would the verification say the time of birth, but not the date of birth?


39 posted on 05/25/2012 1:51:40 PM PDT by old republic
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
This document, consistent with the name of the source, is a “Talking point.” The con has always been to keep those dependent upon the media, the Enquirer (not to impugn The Enquirer, which has broken stories the media elite wouldn't touch). Here is the only fact you need to know. If Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, he has had more than enough time to have the world's best create forgeries. Money is no object, as Percy Sutton, Malcolm X's attorney, NY Assemblyman, Army Air Force Pilot, told everyone. He said Obmama’s patron is “One of the world's wealthiest men.” That was when Khalid al-Mansour, Whalid bin-Talal’s attorney, and formerly Black Panther founder Don Warden, asked for help getting Barack into Harvard. Harvard later received a direct grant of 20 million dollars, as well as the Whalid Bin-Talal Islamic Studies Center, the largest branch of Harvard Divinity School. Here is just one of hundreds of citations, but perhaps the most relevant, since it turned the common law into precedent, Chief Justice Morrison Waite's foundation for making Virginia Minor a citizen by first asserting the common-law definition. There was no Constitution definition for who were our citizens before 1867, thus the only path of certainty - "never doubted" was to show that Virginia was natural born, and thus a ciizen. Minor v. Happersett, (1875):

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

Obama has never claimed to be a natural born citizen. He has clearly stated that he is a 14th Amendment citizen, a naturalized citizen and not a natural born citizen. That was our law. Goebbel’s “Big Lie” tactic is being applied by both parties and the legislators and judges whose incomes could be at risk if their complicity is understood by enough of the public. Repeat something often enough, and ridicule those who won't accept the lie, and eventually the truth will be forgotten. This truth is repeated in dozens of supreme court decisions, and in the Constitution, which by design doesn't contain definitions, referring to the common-law familiar to its framers, and in the works of dozens of legal scholars from The Enlightenment, and from the time of our founders and framers. But our educators are wards of the state, and don't dare question past history. Michelle told us Barack would re-write history, and this is what is happening.

40 posted on 05/25/2012 1:56:40 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It makes me cringe when I hear Rush use the term immaculated of Obama. It seems such an ignorant thing to say. First, to use immaculate as a verb. Never before has anyone ever been said to be “immaculated.”

It is part of Catholic theology, however, that Mary, not Jesus, was conceived immaculately—hence her’s is said to be the Immaculate Conception. Mary’s, not the Messiah’s.

Rush gets it wrong on several levels.


41 posted on 05/25/2012 2:19:46 PM PDT by Lucas McCain
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It makes me cringe when I hear Rush use the term immaculated of Obama. It seems such an ignorant thing to say. First, to use immaculate as a verb. Never before has anyone ever been said to be “immaculated.”

It is part of Catholic theology, however, that Mary, not Jesus, was conceived immaculately—hence her’s is said to be the Immaculate Conception. Mary’s, not the Messiah’s.

Rush gets it wrong on several levels. Makes him sound stoopid.


42 posted on 05/25/2012 2:20:25 PM PDT by Lucas McCain
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To: JaguarXKE

LOL!.....Moooooooooooo............


43 posted on 05/25/2012 2:20:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger
It appears that Doctor Onaka's signature was applied by someone else with the initials 'gK'.

So the verification was 'certified' by a clerk, not the State Registrar. Would think that is acceptable practice for such an important document?

Regards,
GtG

44 posted on 05/25/2012 2:37:00 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Maybe it was Gabe Kaplan?..............

45 posted on 05/25/2012 2:39:33 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Lucas McCain

Yes, I know the word, “immaculate” is being mis-used but Rush is using it for humor’s sake.

The Catholics say that Jesus was conceived immaculately, not Mary. Maybe you are trying to say that Jesus was conceived in the womb of Mary in an immaculate manner.

Immaculate - (esp. of a person or their clothes) Perfectly clean, neat, or tidy; Free from flaws or mistakes; perfect.

Immaculate only applies to messiahs and the Left thinks that Barryboy is the messiah or the second coming. Rush taking that worship of Barry by the Left and using it to make fun of him and his followers. This absolutely drives the Leftists nuts because he is exposing just how stupid, ignorant, and idiotic they make themselves look by worshiping Barry.

Remember all the fainting. Take a look at this website and see how far it went.
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/


46 posted on 05/25/2012 2:54:27 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Red Badger
Odd, DOB missing. But time of birth is listed. Hospital is listed.

They are indirectly showing the public what to scrutinize.

47 posted on 05/25/2012 2:56:13 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: tumblindice

SEE, THERE IT IS DADDY, 6 6 6
(lucianne)

48 posted on 05/25/2012 3:01:31 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Lucas McCain
Christ's conception also was immaculate. Christ, being God, also had no stain of the Original Sin. (He was a spotless Lamb who was offered to the Father, after all.) Amongst Catholics, Christ's freedom from all sin, Original or actual, is a concept that pretty much goes without saying.

However, you are quite right in noting that when the Catholic Church is referring to the dogma of the Immaculate Conception they are referring to Mary's conception. She was not divine and so the question of whether she had the stain of original sin needed to be clarified.

49 posted on 05/25/2012 3:55:21 PM PDT by old republic
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“The Catholics say that Jesus was conceived immaculately, not Mary. Maybe you are trying to say that Jesus was conceived in the womb of Mary in an immaculate manner.”

You are absolutely wrong about that. The Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Mary, NOT Jesus. Look it up.

That’s why Rush’s use of it sounds so ignorant.


50 posted on 05/25/2012 4:03:28 PM PDT by Lucas McCain
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