Posted on 05/25/2012 12:09:02 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Here's the official 'Verification of Birth' document submitted by Hawaii's Department of Health to the State of Arizona in response to SoS Ken Bennett's request for verification of Obama's birth, allegedly in Hawaii.
Note that Obama's alleged DAY OF BIRTH IS OMITTED from the listed items. Shouldn't the DAY of Obama's birth be present in this document?
Now, if Obama can be proven to not have been born in Hawaii, it would seem Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D. would have some 'splaining to do.. Unlike the 'official' birth certificate released by the White House, at least there's no 'smiley face' drawn into the "A" in Alvin's name.
Seems we still do not have the long form, nor do we have any discussion of Obama not being eligible to be President due to the fact his father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Barack's birth (not a 'Natural Born Citizen').
This is a blog, right?
I’m not knocking it, just asking.
Am I correct that the AZ SOS was seeking documentation, or verification of such, that would entitle Obama to appear on the AZ ballot, yet the issue he pursued was ONLY Obama’s birth in Hawaii and NOT the one of his being a natural born citizen or not?
It’s a pretty left-wing source.
He’s the messiah and messiahs are not born. They are immaculated!
Doesn’t this come back to the difference between a “Certificate of Live Birth”, and a “Birth Certificate”. It seems probable that Obama was born* — and that’s all a COLB verifies.
(* You could make arguments for “hatched”, “cloned”, “stitched together and zapped by lightening”, or any number of alternatives to “born” — but, that is another discussion.)
It was the only place I could find the actual document other than the DUmmies site which I did not want to link to. I don’t know why Bennett backed down on this issue. Perhaps the document helps Arpaio and his investigation, if you know what I mean.
“yet the issue he pursued was ONLY Obama’s birth in Hawaii”
The only issue that the Hawaii Department of Health is qualified to address is what their records contain regarding Obama’s birth. A State registrar is in no position to address natural born citizen status with regard to parent’s citizenship etc.
Add “immaculated” to my list of alternatives in # 6.
I guess Messiahs don’t have A DAY OF BIRTH?? This omission from this document screams so loud I’m practically deaf.
But I’m talking about what the SOS of AZ was using as the standard for what would qualify Obama for their ballot, and asking, was he ONLY seeking verification for O’s birth in Hawaii, and if he got that, or what he believes is that, then he’s fine with O on the ballot?
If anything I asked was construed as suggesting Hawaii could address the natural born issue, that wasn’t my intention.
This is what convinced Arizona’s Sec. of State? So called original birth certificates didn’t work, but a letter from Onaki does? LOL
The Announcements sidebar is reserved for FR business and the Frontpage sidebar is reserved for news items that are truly Front Page news. Not this.
At the bottom of the document, it does give dates for the mother’s signature and the attendant’s signature.
Those are in early August of 1961.
The document does claim that the state of Hawaii has on record a birth certificate that Obama was born there. It doesn’t claim that this is that document, simply that they have one they purport shows that.
What about the name of the doc that delivered him? Does anyone know his name?
Apparently you cannot have access to Obama’s original birth certificate.
If so, then it’s either this, or nothing.
What a conundrum. At this point lets just kick his ash out come November and send the Kenyan fraud packing off to Hawaii, Chicago or back to Africa.
Don’t fall for this...TPM is a far-left website which is using sarcasm to try and suck us into this. Don’t take the bait.
The digitally created crap released by Obama still needs to be explained. WHY was the forgery committed?
Why give time of birth but not day of birth? This is crazy. There is only on reason for years they have just not given the complete, accurate info out. After all this time to keep holding stuff back.
Ann's Baby 
Try telling that to a liberal. It’s like talking to a cow.............
I want to see Arizona use full faith and credit to get physical access to the public records of Hawaii. A person from Arizona needs to see it all firsthand.
-PJ
Or they eventually call you a fascist and a Nazi and walk away mumbling things........................
The bastard was hatched on a stump like a lizard. So why the hell does anyone think he has a birth certificate?
That’s because the date of birth wasn’t requested on the SPECIAL request for verification, which is the only part of Bennett’s request that was retained as originally filed. The items that actually matter to Presidential eligibility were all on the VERIFICATION REQUEST FORM that Bennett submitted. The HDOH never responded to that official form and yet Bennett said he had gotten what he asked for so apparently Bennett withdrew that request form.
Why he did that is discussed at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2887501/posts
Front Page is for the really serious stuff, like Obama referring to his sons?
1/ No Birth date verified
2/ Its an e-mailed computer file, legally ambiguous at the very best. If true legal contact had been established the SOS should have FedEx'ed a notarized letter and and Hawaii should have replied with a physical verification letter by return courier.
3/ “Date Accepted” terminology, as opposed to “Date Filed”
4/ The verification is of the “information” contained in the SOS’s Obama file attachment. Hawaii does not verify that 151 61 10641 actually is a certificate of Live birth. Only that it is a vital record or birth certificate.
If the Registrar had a legit Certificate of Live Birth he would have verified it with an exact phrase that states EXACTLY what is being verified.
This is all just a game to come up with language that “sounds great” to a lay person but in precise legal terms does not hold water. It contains wiggle room for Onaka to escape.
Hawaii refused to accept the above request, or verify that the birth certificate posted by the White House's website was a true representation of Obama's birth certificate. In fact, Hawaii apparently required the AZ SOS to withdraw his ORIGINAL request, and then "reword" it to make the request more ambiguous before Hawaii would finally verify it.
By the way, it doesn't seem that the AZ SOS was interested Obama's parent's citizenship as much as his birth place.
Obama said he was born in Kenya. That’s good enough for me.
Paraphrased quote:
“I actually WAS born in Kenya...before I was born in Hawaii.”
That’s an awfully mean thing to say - about cows.
That’s an awfully mean thing to say - about cows.
Age of Father....
27 was the real age or at least that age that matches his INS records and he filled out in late August of 1961.
That’s pretty bizarre. Why would the verification say the time of birth, but not the date of birth?
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
Obama has never claimed to be a natural born citizen. He has clearly stated that he is a 14th Amendment citizen, a naturalized citizen and not a natural born citizen. That was our law. Goebbel’s “Big Lie” tactic is being applied by both parties and the legislators and judges whose incomes could be at risk if their complicity is understood by enough of the public. Repeat something often enough, and ridicule those who won't accept the lie, and eventually the truth will be forgotten. This truth is repeated in dozens of supreme court decisions, and in the Constitution, which by design doesn't contain definitions, referring to the common-law familiar to its framers, and in the works of dozens of legal scholars from The Enlightenment, and from the time of our founders and framers. But our educators are wards of the state, and don't dare question past history. Michelle told us Barack would re-write history, and this is what is happening.
It makes me cringe when I hear Rush use the term immaculated of Obama. It seems such an ignorant thing to say. First, to use immaculate as a verb. Never before has anyone ever been said to be “immaculated.”
It is part of Catholic theology, however, that Mary, not Jesus, was conceived immaculately—hence her’s is said to be the Immaculate Conception. Mary’s, not the Messiah’s.
Rush gets it wrong on several levels.
It makes me cringe when I hear Rush use the term immaculated of Obama. It seems such an ignorant thing to say. First, to use immaculate as a verb. Never before has anyone ever been said to be “immaculated.”
It is part of Catholic theology, however, that Mary, not Jesus, was conceived immaculately—hence her’s is said to be the Immaculate Conception. Mary’s, not the Messiah’s.
Rush gets it wrong on several levels. Makes him sound stoopid.
LOL!.....Moooooooooooo............
So the verification was 'certified' by a clerk, not the State Registrar. Would think that is acceptable practice for such an important document?
Regards,
GtG
Maybe it was Gabe Kaplan?..............
Yes, I know the word, “immaculate” is being mis-used but Rush is using it for humor’s sake.
The Catholics say that Jesus was conceived immaculately, not Mary. Maybe you are trying to say that Jesus was conceived in the womb of Mary in an immaculate manner.
Immaculate - (esp. of a person or their clothes) Perfectly clean, neat, or tidy; Free from flaws or mistakes; perfect.
Immaculate only applies to messiahs and the Left thinks that Barryboy is the messiah or the second coming. Rush taking that worship of Barry by the Left and using it to make fun of him and his followers. This absolutely drives the Leftists nuts because he is exposing just how stupid, ignorant, and idiotic they make themselves look by worshiping Barry.
Remember all the fainting. Take a look at this website and see how far it went.
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
They are indirectly showing the public what to scrutinize.
SEE, THERE IT IS DADDY, 6 6 6
(lucianne)
However, you are quite right in noting that when the Catholic Church is referring to the dogma of the Immaculate Conception they are referring to Mary's conception. She was not divine and so the question of whether she had the stain of original sin needed to be clarified.
“The Catholics say that Jesus was conceived immaculately, not Mary. Maybe you are trying to say that Jesus was conceived in the womb of Mary in an immaculate manner.”
You are absolutely wrong about that. The Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Mary, NOT Jesus. Look it up.
That’s why Rush’s use of it sounds so ignorant.
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