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Posted on 05/25/2012 8:35:56 PM PDT by mamelukesabre

I became hyper-interested in canids awhile back when I read something about coy-wolf hybrids in the northeast part of the US. I've been reading about them lately. I know there is an ongoing effort to "re-introduce" wolves into certain parts of the united states. This upsets a lot of folks and makes others giddy with excitement.

So, I am sharing my only personal wolf story I can because it is the only one I have. It isn't much since they've been extinct in these parts for a very long time.

My cousin used to tell me stories about the old-timers hanging dead wolves from the eaves of their porch when he was a small boy. This would've been in the early 60s. He and I were business partners for awhile so we used to trade stories a lot. Sometimes I would wonder about the stories he told me and try to double check them by asking his brother, sister, and dad. This wolf story was one of those that I doubted since according to official history, wolves were extinct in that part of the country way before the time period he speaks of.

So I had a discussion with his dad one time when I was out to the old farm doing some odd stuff for him.

He told me "oh gosh no, those weren't wolves...he was mistaken and wasn't old enough to know the difference." I felt like the air was let out of me because I wanted it to be true. Then he said "those were wolf-dogs...half wolf, half dog...bigger and meaner than real wolves".

So then I said to him "you know, according to the experts there were no wolves alive in this area after the 1800s?" He says "yeah, I suppose. They might be right"

Then I say "well, if they were extinct in the 1800s, how the hell you get any wolf dog hybrids around here a hundred years later?"

He says: "Ya got me there, I guess there had to have been at least one more wolf around cuz those were not dogs. They were wolfdogs...And they were a serious problem around here in the 1960s. We were all out to get them around here. I bought a mauser to shoot them with."

Then I said "your son told me he remembers the dead wolves hanging from the eaves of someone's porch around here and they were so big, they were almost touching the ground."

"Yep...that was [i forget the name]'s place. He was old and strange and would hang them by the neck from the roof of his porch and the hind legs would be pretty close to the ground...let 'em hang til they rotted to nuthin. Those wolfdogs treed me once when I was new to this area. I was out on my old ford tractor pulling a wagon and mending fence. My dog warned me and I dropped what I was doing and ran up a tree while he kept them busy as long as he could. Best dog I ever had. He was free...came with the farm...lived under the porch. I was in that tree a long time waiting for the wolfdogs to move on."

I asked around after that. I decided the story wasn't made up.

Another person from that area told me there was a highway cut through some hills and it disrupted the hunting ground of a small isolated pack of wolves. The pack scattered and was on the run. Just a small number survived and bred with feral dogs. The resulting hybrids formed a pack and terrorized the area for years. This was the theory they come up with because the wolfdogs appeared shortly after a new stretch of highway was cut through some virgin hills.


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1 posted on 05/25/2012 8:36:05 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/feb2004/wolf.htm


2 posted on 05/25/2012 8:43:26 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: mamelukesabre

Just watched this dvd:

The Grey (2012) R

After narrowly surviving a deadly plane crash in the Alaskan wilderness, a band of oil riggers must fend for their lives in the ice and snow. But thanks to wolves that view their presence as a threat, they aren’t alone.

Genre:
Action & Adventure, Action Thrillers, Adventures

This movie is:
Dark, Gritty


3 posted on 05/25/2012 8:44:48 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Mark

I hated that movie.


4 posted on 05/25/2012 8:53:27 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

One of my favorite pets was a wolf hybrid. But I wouldn’t recommend them for everyone. They can be a little bit spooky.

I guess the love of wolves depends on which side of the fence you are on. If you have a herd of cattle..not bueno. If you can enjoy them from a distance with no threat to your livelyhood..they are beautiful.


5 posted on 05/25/2012 8:54:31 PM PDT by berdie
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To: mamelukesabre

One of my favorite pets was a wolf hybrid. But I wouldn’t recommend them for everyone. They can be a little bit spooky.

I guess the love of wolves depends on which side of the fence you are on. If you have a herd of cattle..not bueno. If you can enjoy them from a distance with no threat to your livelyhood..they are beautiful.


6 posted on 05/25/2012 8:54:31 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

According to my uncle, wolves are less deadly than wolf hybrids...and also according to the other old geezers in his neck-of-the-woods.


7 posted on 05/25/2012 8:58:54 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

according to wikipedia, canis lupus and canis domesticus are considered now the same species by biologists. yes, the teacup chihuahua and the wolf are blood brothers.


8 posted on 05/25/2012 9:04:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yeah, but then we’re told there’s only 2% difference between us and Chimps.


9 posted on 05/25/2012 9:06:06 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: mamelukesabre

They sure make soft pelts.

My aunt who lives in northern Ontario has one on her bed. Used to lay on it when I was a kid.

Libtards hate Sarah Palin for allowing their control with hunting from small planes...that’s the only way their population can be controlled in the outreaches of Alaska.


10 posted on 05/25/2012 9:06:19 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Amberdawn

whats this monkey business?


11 posted on 05/25/2012 9:08:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: mamelukesabre

I have this weird fascination with wolves and have never seen one.

I have wolf bookmarks,calendars,playing cards,and a lovely painting of a wolf I bought at an art show.


12 posted on 05/25/2012 9:09:21 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: mamelukesabre

I forgot to add...he showed me a picture of the old dog that saved his life. It looked like a yellow lab except it had a larger head and a black muzzle and a slightly curvier tail. His name was Butch and my uncle says “he was no bird dog but that dog could read my mind even though he didn’t even know me.”.


13 posted on 05/25/2012 9:09:44 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I accidentally rescued a 7/8 hybrid... most incredible dog ever. Best huntress ever, too. As it turned out. Or rather, as a sheriff’s deputy brought to my attention.

Wolf-dogs have to be entirely fenced in, no two ways about it.


14 posted on 05/25/2012 9:10:10 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: Mears

Aroooooooooooooooooooooooo


15 posted on 05/25/2012 9:10:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: mamelukesabre
I've got a good one! First off, I live in the NE. A couple of towns over, a women in a graveyard was stalked by a coy-wolf. A guy who was also in the graveyard saw it covertly following the lady and scared it off, and he said his best guess at its size was 90-100 lbs. In my town, a smallish dog was taken. Also, I was out trekking in the woods and came across some scat...Fair sized, not as big as a domestic dog, with fur and stuff in it.

Anyway, my story...I was out walking at night a couple of winters ago, not in the woods but next to them. I heard this sort of yapping sound, and I later compared what I had heard to some videos online and it sounded just like coyote/wolf sounds. Suddenly I heard a drawn out howl, very loud, and the yapping noises got more excited...And closer. Well, I was with my brother and he started to take off running, but like a good scout (ha) I held him back and we continued at rather a fast walk. Remember, we were walking along a treeline (we moved away from it a bit after this started) and the excited yapping from the woods stayed abreast with us as we walked. Eventually (not fast enough), it began to fade, and we heard a chorus of mournful howls (call of the wild anyone?) that continued till we got out of earshot.

Creepy, to say the least.

16 posted on 05/25/2012 9:10:56 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: mamelukesabre

Where I used to live, we had big trouble with coyotes. They were overpopulating. Men shot them (SSS). But one of the men was an Indian and he took blood and spread it next to the wood line where the coyotes trailed into the neighborhood. He did that as a warning to them. Maybe that is why that guy hung the dead wolf-dog out front of his house?


17 posted on 05/25/2012 9:12:55 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Copenhagen Smile

Wolves curious about you?


18 posted on 05/25/2012 9:12:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: mamelukesabre
About ten years ago, my two dogs were at the back of my fenced in yard, barking up a storm. I went to the deck and tried to hush them. When that didn't work I sent my husband out back. He came in and said they were barking at a wolf to which I laughed at him and told him he was crazy! You see we live in the 10th most wealthy county in the U.S. according to the WSJ. Our zoning laws are such that each McMansion has to be on an acre so we are spread out, with very few fenced yards. Children play in our yards, little dogs with electric collars play in our yards so I KNEW there was no way there could be a WOLF in our back yards. I called the Police Department and told the dispatcher that my husband said there was a WOLF in our backyard. Was there any wolfs in Brentwood? She said “Yes, the government had a wolf release program where they released wolves in our county.” WE ARE AN URBAN AREA 8 MILES SOUTH OF NASHVILLE. That's my wolf story. One more Bizzaro government plan.
19 posted on 05/25/2012 9:17:15 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: txhurl

If there are going to be any new Wolf-Dog hybrids, they should be a mix of Wolf and Golden Retriever. I want any Wolf-Dogs around me to always be happy when they see me or any other human, wag their tales and be play like puppies—even when they grow old. I love Goldens.

PS - I know that Wolf-Golden Hybrids would NOT be friendly like Goldens and would also be dangerous. But a guy can dream, right?


20 posted on 05/25/2012 9:17:25 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: mamelukesabre

Black mouth cur? perhaps


21 posted on 05/25/2012 9:17:47 PM PDT by berdie
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I don't see why they would be. I probably don't taste good and definately don't smell good. ;)

The scary part was that there were definately at least several, and maybe more. I've always thoughy coyotes were either solitary or worked in pairs, and the fact that there were clearly a bunch of them, coupled with the howling (honestly sounded just like wolves, and I didn't think coyotes howl like that) made me think they there coy-wolves.

22 posted on 05/25/2012 9:18:53 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: txhurl

one part dog or 7 parts dog?


23 posted on 05/25/2012 9:19:39 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: berdie

Maybe. But the head was bigger. LIke a pit bull. Maybe a cross between a pitt and a cur.


24 posted on 05/25/2012 9:21:35 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Mears
a lovely painting of a wolf I bought at an art show.

Velvet?
25 posted on 05/25/2012 9:22:57 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: varmintman

Thanks for that link!


26 posted on 05/25/2012 9:24:15 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: mamelukesabre
7/8 grey, 1/8 Siberian.

Looked just like the smaller one, but with about 30lb more muscle.


27 posted on 05/25/2012 9:25:26 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: mamelukesabre

hate that movie as well....no redeeming qualities IMO....


28 posted on 05/25/2012 9:27:00 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Copenhagen Smile

Small feral dogs make coyote sounds. I had another relative that had a dog problem. the whole pack was started by a husky dam and a kelpie sire. they ended up with a bunch of wild inbred dogs that ate the weaker tamer of their pack. in a few years there were dogs that lived in the ditches and the berms and the tree lines. They got smaller every generation. Ended up about 15-20 lbs and creepy little animals that scurried around in the shadows.

They made sounds exactly like a coyote. eventually he had to kill them all. Traps and poison. They became a threat to neighbors.


29 posted on 05/25/2012 9:28:08 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: txhurl

Found some pics of her. She loved ham.

30 posted on 05/25/2012 9:31:31 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: txhurl

As much as I loved my hybrid...a fence never stopped him. He could scale a 7 ft fence or dig under as deep as it took and squeeze out a hole that was only big enough for a rat terrier. He always came home..but it was pretty nerve wracking wondering if he was safe.

I had several dogs at the time. Although, typically, the alpha is a female it wasn’t true with him. He would take the “girls” over to a spot he wanted dug out and point his nose at that spot. They would dig like crazy.Lazy bum! Off he would go. One of the “girls” would usually follow. But she had been “on the streets” and would crawl back thru. She was a smart old girl...but he was pretty darn canny himself.


31 posted on 05/25/2012 9:31:52 PM PDT by berdie
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To: mamelukesabre
"eventually he had to kill them all. Traps and poison. They became a threat to neighbors."

Sure they would be a threat to neighbors. If they were poisoned eating them would be a threat to anyone.


/sic
32 posted on 05/25/2012 9:33:43 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: Mears

Your fascination is going to increase when you do see one. They are beautiful and very dangerous no matter what Farley Mowat wrote in “Never Cry Wolf.” His books are enjoyable but do not paint a full picture.


33 posted on 05/25/2012 9:33:49 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: mamelukesabre

That could well be. I never question what the geezers say.


34 posted on 05/25/2012 9:35:52 PM PDT by berdie
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To: mamelukesabre
You've ruined my story... >:|

But now you say that, it seems possible because a neighbor out walking her dog at night recently said a strange little critter ran out of the treeline and across the road in front of her -- said it was a smallish, pointy, black little canine-looking critter that barked (strangely, she said) before darting off.

Still, I cherish in my heart the possibilty that I was chases by a pack of coy-wolfs.

35 posted on 05/25/2012 9:35:52 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: mamelukesabre

Best “dog” I ever had was a half-wolf half-shepard. Insanely strong, protective, smart, and (yes) gentle to those she knew. And timid around non-threatening strangers.

Now to a threat like the poorly raised mean dog next door who barked mean at me? Well, she would have gone over the fence and gutted him. Why didn’t she? I said, “No,” so she bounced off of the top of the fence and the looked at my like, “Huh?”

But I could see what a monster she would have been if feral or raised wrong. Terrifying doesn’t come close...


36 posted on 05/25/2012 9:37:03 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Chihahua= wolf. It’s all clear, lol.

I always thought chihuahuas were devils..their ears were big to cover their horns.

(no offense to any chi owners! I have had a few in my life.)


37 posted on 05/25/2012 9:41:56 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

Mine never did bark. Barking is vulgar behavior to wolves. She would howl if she felt mistreated (nail clippings, baths) but she loved being brushed head to toe.

She could gnaw down a full beef femur in about half an hour. Her habit was to crush the bones into little bitty splinters and lick those up, and used her toes to hold the bone like we use our fingers.


38 posted on 05/25/2012 9:42:03 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

I am more likely to think romantically about a wild strain of dogs. i liked those little wild dogs that were all killed. It makes me happy to think that a couple of ordinary dogs can give rise to a pack of something wild and different if given the chance. Someday we are going to lose our economy and our civilization. If all our helpless domesticated animals(livestock included) can revert to something that is wild and self sufficient, there might be hope for another civilization some day in the future.


39 posted on 05/25/2012 9:44:12 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Mears

Me, too. I think they’re one of the most beautiful animals in the world. (Along with bobcats)

In 1972 I was driving across a railroad track in my home town in Eastern Arkansas when I spotted a very small, gray puppy on the tracks. I stopped and put him in my car and took him to my mother’s house. I had a grown Colley and she was scared to death of this little puppy. My dad came in later and said “That’s a damn wolf.” I took it to the outskirts of town and let it go. Beautiful little pup.


40 posted on 05/25/2012 9:47:56 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: piytar

no shitsherlock

I think the worst part about a hybrid is that they don’t give a damn about humans yelling and waiving their arms and stamping their feet and shooting guns in the air. Normally that kind of antics would scare the hell out of a wild animal and send it packing. a hybrid would just jump up and rip out the throat then do as it pleases.


41 posted on 05/25/2012 9:49:32 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: txhurl

Nope...mine was never a watch dog. He lived to be 14 and I can’t remember him barking. Howl...you bet, he sure wasn’t mute.

And he was probably the best hunter I have ever had. Not trained of course. When he finally decided to hang around home as he aged, no creature invaded his domain. I am in a rural area so there were lots of critters he took care of. So maybe he was a watch dog of sorts.


42 posted on 05/25/2012 10:01:18 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

Years ago had a neighbor with a wolf hybrid. The animal was big, beautiful and friendly, went by the name of Timmy. Gorgeous animal.


43 posted on 05/25/2012 10:02:25 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Waiting for the new tagline to download)
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To: House Atreides

for your info

I had a relative that had a violent aggressive golden many years ago. It was large and had long dark red wavy hair. very course hair. The story is that the original golden breed was created by crossing several different dogs. one of those dogs was a russian sheepdog of some kind. It was large, long haired, and incredibly tough. It is said that once in awhile, that russian gene pops up and gives you a golden that is larger and meaner with longer courser hair. Every year and every generation that goes by it becomes rarer and rarer since they breed to get rid of that particular strain. but it is still there hiding in every golden.


44 posted on 05/25/2012 10:03:51 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Any pack of feral dogs should be feared...not just hybrids.

Even if they were the most docile, pleasant dogs our world they will “pack up” and revert to nature if they have to.


45 posted on 05/25/2012 10:08:14 PM PDT by berdie
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To: mamelukesabre

Any pack of feral dogs should be feared...not just hybrids.

Even if they were the most docile, pleasant dogs our world they will “pack up” and revert to nature if they have to.


46 posted on 05/25/2012 10:08:14 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie
Good gravy, I was googling wolfdogs and came across a mastiff/wolf hybrid. That's... too much. I babysat my sister's English for years, and the thought of those two mixed?

Mine really loved swimming in the creek and the lake. Turtles fascinated her. In a bad way. For the turtle.

47 posted on 05/25/2012 10:11:24 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
I've always thoughy coyotes were either solitary or worked in pairs...

They run in packs at night - running deer, especially. Our coyotes look a lot like Siberian Huskies - hear them yipping through my woods at night.

A little leary to go off into the woods alone anymore as they are getting pretty thick and some are agressive.

Had a couple 'hits' where my dog warned me, very quietly, that we had to get out of the area - He will usually set up a furious racket if he hears anything and would take on a moose without a second thought (He's a Shiba Inu, but thinks big and is fearless - and will not back down, except when it comes to coyotes.

The incidences in the woods, he just quietly alerted me and then dragged me back to the road. I knew enough to 'obey' as he's trained not to pull.

The first night he heard them running through the woods outside the house, he quietly came up on the bed and poked me with his paw on my chest until I woke up. I opened my eyes and he was staring me eyeball to eyeball. He made a quiet little "wuff wuff' and motioned towards the window.

I wondered what was going on and then I heard the pack. I had to laugh. It was like he was saying: "There's danger nearby. Be very quiet."

48 posted on 05/25/2012 10:20:15 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: berdie
One of my favorite pets was a wolf hybrid. But I wouldn’t recommend them for everyone. They can be a little bit spooky.

Agreed. We had a wolf/huskie mix that we inherited from a broken down farm we once rented. The owners had kept him tied to a tree for at least two years prior. We figured he was about four to five years old at the time we adopted him.

We let him off the tree, fattened him up, and gave him a ton of attention, but there was always something distant in his eyes. A sort of, "I'm not totally here with you" thing, that I took for his feral side.

In time, I realized it was mostly because he' d been abused for so long, and was slow to warm up completely to humans. Even those who were caring for him.

As the years progressed, he became more and more sociable - to the point where I let him stay inside most of the Texas summer. He was a good boy, and I miss him. Gotta say, though, he never did totally lose that wild thing in his eyes. There was definitely something there, which couldn't be accounted for, otherwise.

49 posted on 05/25/2012 10:30:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Terry Mross

I’m one part curious and 2 parts crazy. I would’ve raised that pup just for the helluvit.


50 posted on 05/25/2012 10:33:34 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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