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First Strike(1979)
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Posted on 05/26/2012 11:54:47 PM PDT by moonshot925

Very interesting film. A suprise attack on American strategic nuclear forces.

TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: first; nuclear; strike; war

1 posted on 05/26/2012 11:54:53 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

All Russian boomers with SLBMs were all tailed by US attack subs. Our subs were very good at finding and following them after they left Russian ports and went to open waters. If a Russian boomer got off missile shots depending where they were in open waters, it would be about 10 to 15 minutes before they would strike their US targets. The warning would go up to about 30 minutes warning time for Russian ICBMs before striking the US. A good portion of our standby bomber force if not all would be in the air within 30 minutes. The Russian SLBMs at the time were not all that accurate and would be targeting softer targets like US bomber bases instead of hardened Minuteman II, III, and Titan ICBM silos. Our ICBMs would have enough time to launch on warning before they would get hit before a half hour expired. And moreover, about 25% of our nuclear SLBM submarine force would be out to sea at any given time of the year and they would have rained destruction on the enemy.

Contrary to the conclusion of this documentary, our nuclear forces would have been more than sufficient to hammer the Soviet Union in retaliation. BTW, I remember this film when it was first broadcasted.

2 posted on 05/27/2012 1:44:39 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: moonshot925

saved for later

3 posted on 05/27/2012 2:03:11 AM PDT by RC one (all y'all had to do was vote for Newt but noooooo, he wasn't good enough.)
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To: Red Steel

Agree.... Served from 72 to 96. The triad an MAD doctrine worked .

Stay safe.

4 posted on 05/27/2012 2:13:06 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Red Steel
Thanks Red Steel!

We dominated the seas and projected power. Undersea superiority was a vital aspect of this strategy.

I was told a lot of our sub patrols were under ice, i.e., Arctic waters. Really amazing stuff. One dark spot was John A. Walker; a Navy communications specialist who had extensive access to highly classified U.S. submarine material.

5 posted on 05/27/2012 3:50:00 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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No boomer patrols went under the arctic ice.

There were 4 submarine bases that the boomers were homeported at.

- Charleston Naval Shipyard, South Carolina: Patroled around Bermuda.

- Naval Station Rota, Spain: Patroled in the Mediterranean Sea.

- Submarine Base Holy Loch, Scotland: Patroled in the Norwegian Sea and Barents Sea

- Naval Base Guam: Patroled in the Philippine Sea

6 posted on 05/27/2012 4:34:59 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

You sure have a way of posting negative, loser information on a day I’d rather be a little more aggressive against anything we call ‘enemy’

7 posted on 05/27/2012 4:44:56 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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I don’t agree the with film. We always had at least 25 boomers on patrol. They would turn the USSR into glass. A submarine commander could fire his missiles without authorization from the president. I was an electronics technician aboard USS Francis Scott Key (SSBN-657) from 1984 to 1989. Blue Crew.

8 posted on 05/27/2012 5:24:59 AM PDT by moonshot925
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After viewing the first two parts of this (I was too young to actually care about such things when it aired originally), it is easy to conclude that this was prepared simply as a propaganda piece to justify the building of our MX missile system to replace or supplement the Minuteman III’s.

It wasn't effective, but it didn't matter as eventually the Peanut Farmer was ejected and Mr. Reagan took care of it from there.

9 posted on 05/27/2012 11:41:01 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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The MX Missile was never necessary. I have no idea why it was developed. 12 Madison and Franklin class submarines were refitted with the Trident C4 SLBM from 1978 to 1982. A total of 192 Trident C4’s. Each one could carry 8 W76 (100 KT) warheads with a range of 4,000 nautical miles. The Trident C4 was also deployed on the new Ohio class submarines. By the end of 1986 we had 3,072 warheads deployed on 20 Trident submarines.

There was really no need for the MX.

10 posted on 05/27/2012 8:33:24 PM PDT by moonshot925
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I disagree. It was both a deterrent that just so happened to help put the Soviets on the road to fiscal ruin and a capable system that complemented the rest of our nuclear forces.

I believe that it truly was time to modernize our land based missiles, although I would have preferred they be on mobile launchers, but I think we agreed in a treaty not to field such capabilities, but I don't remember for sure.

11 posted on 05/27/2012 9:37:59 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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There is a reason that over 65% of our strategic nuclear warheads are deployed on ballistic missile submarines. The boomers are mobile, survivable, ultra-quiet and carry an extremely destructive payload. The Trident D5 has the same accuracy that the MX had. 90 meters CEP. Land based missiles are in a FIXED position. Vulnerable to an enemy attack. There was a plan to put 50 MX ICBMs on mobile railway vehicles but it was canceled in 1992 due to the end of Cold War.

12 posted on 05/27/2012 10:25:57 PM PDT by moonshot925
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