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Huge Ancient Civilizationís Collapse Explained
LiveScience ^ | 5-28-2012 | Charles Choi

Posted on 05/29/2012 5:32:20 AM PDT by Renfield

The mysterious fall of the largest of the world's earliest urban civilizations nearly 4,000 years ago in what is now India, Pakistan, Nepal and Bangladesh now appears to have a key culprit — ancient climate change, researchers say.

Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia may be the best known of the first great urban cultures, but the largest was the Indus or Harappan civilization. This culture once extended over more than 386,000 square miles (1 million square kilometers) across the plains of the Indus River from the Arabian Seato the Ganges, and at its peak may have accounted for 10 percent of the world population. The civilization developed about 5,200 years ago, and slowly disintegrated between 3,900 and 3,000 years ago — populations largely abandoned cities, migrating toward the east....

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: archaeology; bolide; catastrophism; climate; godsgravesglyphs; harappans; impact; india; pakistan; stalactites; stalagmites
I need to point out an inaccuracy in the article. Graham Hancock, Dale Drinnon and other researchers have demonstrated that this civilization actually started much earlier (as early as 9,000 years ago), as a coastal civilization, which was drowned as glaciers melted after the end of the Younger Dryas period. The society discussed in the article was but a remnant of that earlier civilization.
1 posted on 05/29/2012 5:32:30 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

PIng.


2 posted on 05/29/2012 5:33:11 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

“Ancient climate change”, at a time when there were no nasty SUVs emitting CO2 into the atmosphere.


3 posted on 05/29/2012 5:41:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Renfield

I didn’t realize that they had SUV’s 3,000 years ago to cause global warming.


4 posted on 05/29/2012 5:45:12 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: PapaBear3625

FEAR climate change!

Fear it!

Seems to be everything we hear.


5 posted on 05/29/2012 5:45:17 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PapaBear3625

It was the sacred cow farts what did it!


6 posted on 05/29/2012 5:46:57 AM PDT by ChoobacKY
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To: Renfield

George W. Tutankhamun’s fault.


7 posted on 05/29/2012 5:53:40 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (i a m t h e m a r g i n o f e r r e r)
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To: Renfield
It happened before Bush..

...therefore, Global Warming.


8 posted on 05/29/2012 5:59:41 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Renfield

Run for your lives!!! We’re all gonna die!!!!!


9 posted on 05/29/2012 6:09:57 AM PDT by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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To: Renfield

it was nuclear war, right?


10 posted on 05/29/2012 6:10:04 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: InvisibleChurch
George W. Tutankhamun’s fault.

That's what Algore Hatsepshut said.

11 posted on 05/29/2012 6:15:24 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: Night Hides Not

Sethi Clinton: Let the letter “W” be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the letter “W” be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time.


12 posted on 05/29/2012 6:21:31 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (i a m t h e m a r g i n o f e r r e r)
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To: PapaBear3625
Mi<“Ancient climate change”, at a time when there were no nasty SUVs emitting CO2 into the atmosphere.

Yes, all they had as a fuel supply was a renewable, sustainable resource whose combustion products were recombinable into more fuel and oxidizing gas by an endless stream of photons. /s

13 posted on 05/29/2012 6:29:21 AM PDT by imardmd1 (I think that I shall never see a poem lovely as a tree ...)
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To: PapaBear3625

In the article it says All climate is driven by the sun. When this point is brought up it is discounted as irrelevant to climate change. Always makes me suspicions


14 posted on 05/29/2012 6:33:25 AM PDT by wmap
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


15 posted on 05/29/2012 6:45:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wmap

Just like we’re supposed to scream at right wingers that HUSSEIN IS A CITIZEN AND IS ELIGIBLE, YOU MORON!

Now we’re supposed to scream “Climate change is REAL, you moron!”

I’s so much easier to deprive Americans of their inalienable rights when they agree with Big Media’s headlines.


16 posted on 05/29/2012 7:14:32 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Renfield
Was the civilization wiped out by the 1990s style global warming or the 1970s style global cooling. I ask because global cooling is more likely to reduce agricultural production leading to mass starvation.
17 posted on 05/29/2012 7:18:33 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: SunkenCiv

I guess “they got too big” is too simple an explanation for the academics.


18 posted on 05/29/2012 7:54:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Renfield

Thanks for this thread.


19 posted on 05/29/2012 7:57:51 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: iceskater
We’re all gonna die!!!!!

That's a key leftist goal: have most of us die off so we stop causing them so much envious pain. It's funny how they frame their socialist sales pitch the reverse of what appeals to leftists. We can turn this tactic around, have ads that say "Buy an SUV so the Jones next door die off sooner!", "Eat more beef so more Chinese starve!"

20 posted on 05/29/2012 8:17:00 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: InvisibleChurch

You guys are all joking but in reality it was Ramses Osiris Soros-hamudphet and his minion Obamakhet Stufamonkee-Init


21 posted on 05/29/2012 8:25:59 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in Palin/Gingrich)
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To: Renfield
It was global warming caused by friction between the soles of the feet and the ground.

>

22 posted on 05/29/2012 8:31:25 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Renfield
Yup, interesting (but not huge) temp change happened around 4000 years ago. Notice that we're overdue for a much larger drop; today's "warming" may be saving us from a similar cold calamity.


23 posted on 05/29/2012 8:38:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: InvisibleChurch
"Sethi Clinton: Let the letter “W” be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the letter “W” be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time."

"So let it be written. So let it be done."

LOL! very cool, just watched that movie last night!

24 posted on 05/29/2012 10:06:02 AM PDT by IYellAtMyTV (Je t'aime, faire du bruit comme le cochon.)
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To: IYellAtMyTV

i enjoy the movie, too. i always dig the "fuel hose' look . only Yul was cool enough to wear it. today's rock stars and celebrity schmoes are too pansy to wear it

25 posted on 05/29/2012 11:08:37 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (i a m t h e m a r g i n o f e r r e r)
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To: Renfield
So are we to believe that climate would never change if humans did not exist?

The climate change may have had nothing to do with the humans, but misanthropes find it very satisfying to blame them.

26 posted on 05/29/2012 11:34:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Renfield
The mysterious fall of the largest of the world's earliest urban civilizations nearly 4,000 years ago in what is now India, Pakistan, Nepal and Bangladesh now appears to have a key culprit — ancient climate change, researchers say.

27 posted on 05/29/2012 11:48:54 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Condor51
I dunno. Could be Aliens ~OR~


28 posted on 05/29/2012 2:52:16 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Renfield
a coastal civilization, which was drowned as glaciers melted after the end of the Younger Dryas period.

I have to ask - they just stood there watching the water rise from their feet until they drowned? If so, good riddance to the fools!

29 posted on 05/29/2012 2:57:43 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Moltke; shibumi
That's what happened with Hy Brasil.


30 posted on 05/29/2012 3:40:47 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love.....I got a muscle of love.)
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To: Sirius Lee

Virmanas with nukes....


31 posted on 05/29/2012 3:47:11 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Condor51
shakuna vimana2 Pictures, Images and Photos
32 posted on 05/29/2012 3:49:32 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Salamander
Hy Brasil

I had never heard of it before - and like all good Irishmen I thought I was well versed in the tales of St. Brendan. Thanks!

33 posted on 05/29/2012 4:08:35 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Sirius Lee

No problem but that reference is to a scene in Monty Python’s “Erik The Viking” where the disgustingly peaceful inhabitants of Hy Brasil simply stand there like grinning idiots as it sinks, with the leader constantly assuring them that this isn’t happening.

Brutally funny.

[but Brendan sure did get around]

;]

I bet you’ll enjoy this:

http://www.viewzone.com/crichton33.html


34 posted on 05/29/2012 4:34:52 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love.....I got a muscle of love.)
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To: Salamander
I bet you’ll enjoy this:

That is most excellent. Thank you kindly.

35 posted on 05/29/2012 4:41:19 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Salamander

LOL. Thanks. “Oh noes, what’s happening to our civilization? We’s drowwwwwning here.”


36 posted on 05/29/2012 4:45:18 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: IYellAtMyTV
So let it be written. So let it be done

Isn't that supposed to be "ritten"?

37 posted on 05/29/2012 4:51:19 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Sirius Lee

My pleasure.

[the Celts did *everything*, you know...it was never ‘ancient aliens’]

LOL


38 posted on 05/29/2012 6:05:50 PM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love.....I got a muscle of love.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
'So let it be written. So let it be done'

"Isn't that supposed to be "ritten"?"

ROTFLMAO! Yes!

39 posted on 05/29/2012 10:33:28 PM PDT by IYellAtMyTV (Je t'aime, faire du bruit comme le cochon.)
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To: Moltke

I rather imagined that it was only the buildings and other fixed structures that drowned; the people would have fled inland (probably repeatedly every generation or two).


40 posted on 05/30/2012 3:44:45 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: GraceG
I believe it.

Plus I can read 'blueprints'(1). As I 'kinda' did that for a living -- 1st as a Draftsman & then into Mechanical Engineering(2). So the drawing makes perfect sense Engineering wise]

(1) Generic Term for Architectural and Engineering Drawings and their copies.
(2) I picked up my 1st Drafting Pencil and put Lead to Paper in Sept of 1963 as a Sophomore in HS.(dang I'm gettin old.)

41 posted on 05/30/2012 5:42:11 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: KarlInOhio; Renfield; SunkenCiv; All

Sunken Civ reported several years ago on a 2 mile diameter crater found when the Iraq marshes were drained. I believe the age mentioned was around 2,000 BC, or 4,000 years ago. Around that time the Egyptians experienced what is called The First Intermediate Period, a time of hunger and chaos as reported especially in the Ipuwer papyrus. That event must have had a very negative effect on many civilizations in the entire Southwest Asian/Middle Eastern/Mediterranean region. Most likely cooling after the initial burn.


42 posted on 05/30/2012 11:24:08 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

A search on “Prouty site:freerepublic.com” I think will show the topics. I’d do it, but I’m on dialup right now. :’)


43 posted on 05/31/2012 6:10:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gleeaikin

Thanks again gleeaikin, here's the results from a more effective search:
44 posted on 06/02/2012 9:36:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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45 posted on 02/24/2013 10:51:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Renfield; All

In addition to the crater in the Iraq Marshes, there are also meteor craters in Argentina that date to around that same 4,000 ya period. I believe they were separated by about 200 years which fits with other world crises. Given Russia’s recent air burst, imagine what a mess would be caused by meteors/asteroids leaving craters several miles in diameter. The chart earlier on this site shows a definite temperature drop about 4,000 ya or slightly earlier.


46 posted on 02/24/2013 5:17:24 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

I didn’t repost anything about the Iraq crater, but should have at least linked a topic or two that pertain to it. Maybe tomorrow. (yawn, stretch)


47 posted on 02/24/2013 8:31:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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