Huge Ancient Civilization’s Collapse Explained

LiveScience ^ | 5-28-2012 | Charles Choi

[Renfield]

The mysterious fall of the largest of the world's earliest urban civilizations nearly 4,000 years ago in what is now India, Pakistan, Nepal and Bangladesh now appears to have a key culprit — ancient climate change, researchers say.

Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia may be the best known of the first great urban cultures, but the largest was the Indus or Harappan civilization. This culture once extended over more than 386,000 square miles (1 million square kilometers) across the plains of the Indus River from the Arabian Seato the Ganges, and at its peak may have accounted for 10 percent of the world population. The civilization developed about 5,200 years ago, and slowly disintegrated between 3,900 and 3,000 years ago — populations largely abandoned cities, migrating toward the east....

[Renfield]

I need to point out an inaccuracy in the article. Graham Hancock, Dale Drinnon and other researchers have demonstrated that this civilization actually started much earlier (as early as 9,000 years ago), as a coastal civilization, which was drowned as glaciers melted after the end of the Younger Dryas period. The society discussed in the article was but a remnant of that earlier civilization.

[Renfield]

PIng.

[PapaBear3625]

“Ancient climate change”, at a time when there were no nasty SUVs emitting CO2 into the atmosphere.

[No Socialist]

I didn’t realize that they had SUV’s 3,000 years ago to cause global warming.

[PGR88]

FEAR climate change!

Fear it!

Seems to be everything we hear.

[ChoobacKY]

It was the sacred cow farts what did it!

[InvisibleChurch]

George W. Tutankhamun’s fault.

[Sirius Lee]

It happened before Bush..

...therefore, Global Warming.

[iceskater]

Run for your lives!!! We’re all gonna die!!!!!

[stefanbatory]

it was nuclear war, right?

[Night Hides Not]

George W. Tutankhamun’s fault.

That's what Algore Hatsepshut said.

[InvisibleChurch]

Sethi Clinton: Let the letter “W” be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the letter “W” be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time.

[imardmd1]

Mi<“Ancient climate change”, at a time when there were no nasty SUVs emitting CO2 into the atmosphere.

Yes, all they had as a fuel supply was a renewable, sustainable resource whose combustion products were recombinable into more fuel and oxidizing gas by an endless stream of photons. /s

[wmap]

In the article it says All climate is driven by the sun. When this point is brought up it is discounted as irrelevant to climate change. Always makes me suspicions

[SunkenCiv]

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[treetopsandroofs]

Just like we’re supposed to scream at right wingers that HUSSEIN IS A CITIZEN AND IS ELIGIBLE, YOU MORON!

Now we’re supposed to scream “Climate change is REAL, you moron!”

I’s so much easier to deprive Americans of their inalienable rights when they agree with Big Media’s headlines.

[KarlInOhio]

Was the civilization wiped out by the 1990s style global warming or the 1970s style global cooling. I ask because global cooling is more likely to reduce agricultural production leading to mass starvation.

[BenLurkin]

I guess “they got too big” is too simple an explanation for the academics.

[Graewoulf]

Thanks for this thread.

[Reeses]

We’re all gonna die!!!!!

That's a key leftist goal: have most of us die off so we stop causing them so much envious pain. It's funny how they frame their socialist sales pitch the reverse of what appeals to leftists. We can turn this tactic around, have ads that say "Buy an SUV so the Jones next door die off sooner!", "Eat more beef so more Chinese starve!"

[Mr. K]

You guys are all joking but in reality it was Ramses Osiris Soros-hamudphet and his minion Obamakhet Stufamonkee-Init

[COBOL2Java]

It was global warming caused by friction between the soles of the feet and the ground.

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[ctdonath2]

Yup, interesting (but not huge) temp change happened around 4000 years ago. Notice that we're overdue for a much larger drop; today's "warming" may be saving us from a similar cold calamity.

[IYellAtMyTV]

"Sethi Clinton: Let the letter “W” be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the letter “W” be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time."

"So let it be written. So let it be done."

LOL! very cool, just watched that movie last night!

[InvisibleChurch]

i enjoy the movie, too. i always dig the "fuel hose' look . only Yul was cool enough to wear it. today's rock stars and celebrity schmoes are too pansy to wear it

[E. Pluribus Unum]

So are we to believe that climate would never change if humans did not exist?

The climate change may have had nothing to do with the humans, but misanthropes find it very satisfying to blame them.

[Condor51]

The mysterious fall of the largest of the world's earliest urban civilizations nearly 4,000 years ago in what is now India, Pakistan, Nepal and Bangladesh now appears to have a key culprit — ancient climate change, researchers say.

[shibumi]

I dunno. Could be Aliens ~OR~

[Moltke]

a coastal civilization, which was drowned as glaciers melted after the end of the Younger Dryas period.

I have to ask - they just stood there watching the water rise from their feet until they drowned? If so, good riddance to the fools!

[Salamander]

That's what happened with Hy Brasil.

[GraceG]

Virmanas with nukes....

[GraceG]

[Sirius Lee]

Hy Brasil

I had never heard of it before - and like all good Irishmen I thought I was well versed in the tales of St. Brendan. Thanks!

[Salamander]

No problem but that reference is to a scene in Monty Python’s “Erik The Viking” where the disgustingly peaceful inhabitants of Hy Brasil simply stand there like grinning idiots as it sinks, with the leader constantly assuring them that this isn’t happening.

Brutally funny.

[but Brendan sure did get around]

;]

I bet you’ll enjoy this:

http://www.viewzone.com/crichton33.html

[Sirius Lee]

I bet you’ll enjoy this:

That is most excellent. Thank you kindly.

[Moltke]

LOL. Thanks. “Oh noes, what’s happening to our civilization? We’s drowwwwwning here.”

[Smokin' Joe]

So let it be written. So let it be done

Isn't that supposed to be "ritten"?

[Salamander]

My pleasure.

[the Celts did *everything*, you know...it was never ‘ancient aliens’]

LOL

[IYellAtMyTV]

'So let it be written. So let it be done'

"Isn't that supposed to be "ritten"?"

ROTFLMAO! Yes!

[Renfield]

I rather imagined that it was only the buildings and other fixed structures that drowned; the people would have fled inland (probably repeatedly every generation or two).

[Condor51]

I believe it.

Plus I can read 'blueprints'₍₁₎. As I 'kinda' did that for a living -- 1st as a Draftsman & then into Mechanical Engineering₍₂₎. So the drawing makes perfect sense Engineering wise]

(1) Generic Term for Architectural and Engineering Drawings and their copies.
(2) I picked up my 1st Drafting Pencil and put Lead to Paper in Sept of 1963 as a Sophomore in HS.(dang I'm gettin old.)

[gleeaikin]

Sunken Civ reported several years ago on a 2 mile diameter crater found when the Iraq marshes were drained. I believe the age mentioned was around 2,000 BC, or 4,000 years ago. Around that time the Egyptians experienced what is called The First Intermediate Period, a time of hunger and chaos as reported especially in the Ipuwer papyrus. That event must have had a very negative effect on many civilizations in the entire Southwest Asian/Middle Eastern/Mediterranean region. Most likely cooling after the initial burn.

[SunkenCiv]

A search on “Prouty site:freerepublic.com” I think will show the topics. I’d do it, but I’m on dialup right now. :’)

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks again gleeaikin, here's the results from a more effective search:

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• A Storm in Egypt during the Reign of Ahmose [The Tempest Stele]
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[SunkenCiv]

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[gleeaikin]

In addition to the crater in the Iraq Marshes, there are also meteor craters in Argentina that date to around that same 4,000 ya period. I believe they were separated by about 200 years which fits with other world crises. Given Russia’s recent air burst, imagine what a mess would be caused by meteors/asteroids leaving craters several miles in diameter. The chart earlier on this site shows a definite temperature drop about 4,000 ya or slightly earlier.

[SunkenCiv]

I didn’t repost anything about the Iraq crater, but should have at least linked a topic or two that pertain to it. Maybe tomorrow. (yawn, stretch)