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"Bath Salts" Really?

Posted on 05/29/2012 5:19:33 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366

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To: null and void

You are such a sicko! :)


51 posted on 05/29/2012 8:06:07 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: fireman15

I’ve seen references to what that Martin kid was drinking but now nieve me is getting the picture....so he probably was drugging himself with this “lean” stuff with arizona tea,skittles for flavoring, and a probable narcotic of some sort...am I right?


52 posted on 05/29/2012 8:07:27 PM PDT by cherry
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To: fireman15

You’re welcome Fireman. A little bit of these bath salts will go a long way. I suspect that people assume that since they’re legal,they must be safe and end up snorting a whole gram up their nose. Constant re-dosing will keep someone up for days,which no doubt contributes to psychotic behavior. The compulsion to re-dose is incredible.

From what I gather,a lot of these salts are a synthetic form of khat and they are produced in Russia and China,God knows what else they mix in there.

I’m glad I never got to into the stuff.I’m sorry you have to waste your valuable time and skills on people that do this to themselves


53 posted on 05/29/2012 8:09:31 PM PDT by johnnycr
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To: RBStealth

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54 posted on 05/29/2012 8:13:06 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: txhurl
And hide your smokes, since zombies seem to like 'em, just lost their lighters (from CDC)


55 posted on 05/29/2012 8:30:44 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: andyk
Oh crap, you’re terrible!

On my good days I rise to that level.

56 posted on 05/29/2012 8:36:06 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1225 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: cherry

I don’t really have any idea... but people are speculating based mostly on his odd behaivior at the 7-11. He appears to be acting in a way that looks like he is under the influence of some type of substance.


57 posted on 05/29/2012 9:02:15 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: johnnycr
“I’m sorry you have to waste your valuable time and skills on people that do this to themselves.”

I am hoping to retire in a year or two because I am getting tired and I feel too old to do this type of work. But I have been well compensated by the taxpayers and am very grateful to have been able to have such an interesting job. The way the system is set up, it is often my job to help take care of people having problems with drugs, alcohol and/or psychotic behavior. It is one of the things I am paid for.

We see people having psych difficulties in a lot of different situations. Our county has the largest psychiatric hospital in the state of Washington, and many of the persons who are outpatients are placed in cheap motels and apartments in our district. My station also serves a local jail; when a prisoner starts acting psychotic they call us.

Most of the people we see who have psych problems have substance abuse problems as well. There is no way for us to know whether the substance abuse caused the psych issues, but long term users of certain types of substances do seem to have similar behaviors in many cases.

Sometimes when something new hits the streets we will see a bunch of people with nearly the same problem. Occasionally we can connect the dots. Teens are the worst because so many they think they know it all and feel they are invincible. They will take massive doses of stuff that would not normally be all that harmful. The internet has made it that much easier for them to get information from questionable sources, when a teen somewhere in the world figures out a new way to get high it gets passed around incredibly quickly.

58 posted on 05/29/2012 9:36:08 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15

I first read about salts on the internet and my curiosity got the better of me(against my better judgment,I fully well knew that just because the stuff was legal didn’t mean it was safe).
I’m lucky I don’t have an addictive personality,with the exception of FR of course. I hear ya about the internet,in my younger years a friend and me read that you could get high from nutmeg and raided my Mom’s spice cabinet,got sick as hell. I guess you need to use the fresh stuff.
I’ve stopped my drug experimentation and quit drinking as well,instead focusing on weight-training.

Enjoy your retirement and thanks for your service

Johnny


59 posted on 05/29/2012 10:38:02 PM PDT by johnnycr
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To: fireman15
My wife is an ER Nurse, says that some of the "Bath Salt" patients never come down, their brains having been burnt out.

When folks say this is Bad stuff, it really is, and we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

60 posted on 05/30/2012 1:38:28 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: johnnycr

It sounds like you were far more cautious and informed than most of those that I see. There are health risks related to the long term use of almost any medicine or drug and also poor diet choices.

A lot of times there are discussions here and other places about marijuana vs alcohol and the war on drugs. It is too bad that our educational institutions have done such a poor job on the war on ignorance. That is the real problem. People make all sorts of bad decisions trying to find easy ways to make themselves feel good.

My favorite teacher in high school in the seventies also worked as a drug counselor. He said that sleep was the “ultimate high” You become relaxed and unconscous, you halucinate, and when you wake up you feel refreshed and there are no bad side effects.

So thank you again for sharing your experience and knowledge about a subject many here know little about. The level of knowledge about the risks of the long term use of even widely used substances is abysmal. Congratulations also on finding a more natural and healthy way to make yourself feel good.


61 posted on 05/30/2012 8:20:05 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: sr4402

Your wife has more detailed knowledge than I do about what has actually caused psychotic behaiviors in her patients. I have seen a number of persons who were having bizare psychotic epeisodes they have often come in waves which made us think that something bad was on the streets. A lot of them flip out completely when they get to jail.

I went to a prisoner once who had been running down a busy arterial naked in the middle of the winter bashing cars with a big stick. After he was taken to jail he started beating his head against the bars on his cell. He was quite a sight with blood all over his face when we got their. My crew and I had just finished cleaning him up and getting him calmed down, when one of the jailers looked at him the wrong way and he went beserk again. He jumped up and sank his teeth into the arm of the guy and it took six guards to get him off of the other guy.

All of are efforts had been for nothing. His head was bleeding all over the place again; he had blood in his mouth from the other guy. He was spitting on everyone. He was screaming a very creative stream of obscenities mostly relating to what he was going to do to our mothers etc. We got him strapped in the restraint chair covered his face with a mask. With the pandemonium it truly was a scene from Silence of the Lambs.


62 posted on 05/30/2012 8:37:01 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: TexasSecede79366
Other than a little facial cannibalism, Urban Beach Weekend was apparently a big success. Only 373 arrests as opposed to 431 last year, and only 14% of the arrests were for felonies!

Urban Beach Weekend Arrest Breakdown: 68% Black Males, 35% Locals, Only 14% Felonies

63 posted on 05/30/2012 8:41:31 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: TexasSecede79366

This is the core reason the WOD cannot ever succeed. People who really want to get high will, if they can’t get a hold of the “normal” stuff they’ll find something. Licking toads, bath salts, whippets, paint. Even if all the regular stuff completely disappears from within our border folks will still find a way to screw up their lives.


64 posted on 05/30/2012 8:46:52 AM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: Morgana

PCP is an animal tranquilizer vets use...with psychoactive properties

LSD is a powerful hallucinogenic developed in the 50s by Albert Hoffman and Sandoz.

Besides the baby boom, it is largely responsible for the cultural upheaval foisted by middle and upper middle class white kids in the West from 1963-1980 and on

I took it quite a bit. And we were fairly serious about what that entailed. It can be very scary and though I have sharp mixed feelings over my own use I strongly do NOT recommend it to anyone not prepared.

And being prepared has not much to do with intellect or maturity.

It’s more about having a resilient psyche...sounds like fun eh? (s)

LSD’s cousins are psylocibin mushrooms and peyote....the latter being a superior trip agent in my view that LSD or mushrooms.

I never had a habit...LSD is not habit forming ...quite the contrary. I simply outgrew a desire to alter my states. The usual culprits...maturity...kids...bills...a woman on my arm..

the last being by far the best intoxicant made for man...no question...the warm glow and touch of a beautiful woman dwarfs the best dope buzz


65 posted on 05/30/2012 8:53:13 AM PDT by wardaddy (the GOP are cowards)
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To: cherry

Alcohol’s effects aren’t that universal. Not only do different people have different reactions, different types, because of the side chemicals, strengths, and rates of ingestion, create different effects in the same person. That’s where the old line “gin makes a man mean” comes from. My wife tends to be highly irritable with tequila but not with anything else. Anything carbonated (beer, champagne) hits the bloodstream faster so you have a more abrupt run, though with the low level of alcohol in beer it’s generally the easiest to control your level of intoxication.

Drugs are just like alcohol, sought by people who want reality “tweaked” a bit, and no two people have the exact same experience.


66 posted on 05/30/2012 9:10:17 AM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: fireman15
My ER wife, says it she sees "Bath Salts" behavior, she immediately calls security. She can handle psychotics, alcoholics, the usual folks high on drugs. But these folks she does not mess around with.

She says these are like people on PCP only sometimes they don't come down.

I've watched Jail and I can just imagine what its like with these folks. How to spot them quickly will be the key.

67 posted on 05/30/2012 9:11:28 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: wardaddy
It’s more about having a resilient psyche...sounds like fun eh? (s)

Actually, it's about having the right genes, no hidden medical defects and not overdosing. Every drug has it's risks. Even anesthetics will kill a certain percentage of the time.

The risk is always that you may not come through or come out altered.

68 posted on 05/30/2012 10:46:06 AM PDT by sr4402
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