Skip to comments.Whitewater Baldy Complex Fire
Posted on 05/30/2012 8:37:58 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
The Southwest Area Type 1 Incident Management Team, under the direction of Incident Commander Tony Sciacca, assumed command of the fire at 6:00 a.m. Saturday 5/26.
Mandatory evacuations are in place for the community of Mogollon and the Willow Creek Subdivision.
Road/Trail/Area closures and Catwalk National Rec Trail Closure are in place on the Gila National Forest. Visit the Gila NF website at www.fs.usda.gov/gila for details.
Smoke advisories are in effect. View the Smoke Advisory article under "Announcements" for further information. Smoke projection models are posted in "Photographs."
Areas around Albuquerque, Belen, Socorro, Magdalena and Carrizozo will see smoke during the day, and areas to the south and as far to the southeast as Roswell will see smoke at night.
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Thank you Clinton and Babbitt for firing those who had a clue and replacing them with liberal edjamakated idjits.
The fire is now about 10 miles from the ranch. The whole watershed/wilderness will go up in smoke before the July rains come. Once the rains come there will be epic flooding.
“but if the idiots of the FS will just leave it alone, it will return to former grandeur soon enough”...
Mogollon has been evacuated and the buildings wrapped in ‘foil’. As far as the wilderness is concerned, I would tend to agree with you if it were not the whole dang forest going up in flames at once.
This ‘Wilderness’ was the first designated in the country. It is/was the largest in the lower 48. The Gila watershed feeds thru Pheonix into the Colorado to feed LA.
This fire IS catistrophic.
It is sickening to see this happen. On one hand it is just nature taking its course. On the other hand we and the way we live and the sights we are accustomed to seeing are in the way and are destroyed.
We went through this last year about this time in our county and again in September. We did manage to get the only DC-10 / large aerial tanker in operating to come in in September. It truly did save our bacon.
USFS Fire Team from California said it was probably the hottest fire they had ever seen. So dry and so much fuel in SE Texas. Our place was spared, many were not. 10 miles can be a long way. It got within a tenth of a mile from us. We had embers in the yard big as the end of my finger.
Wish you well. The country side will be devastated. Ponderosa pines are made for fire. I can’t recall the specie there.
Just looking at the InciWeb.
“Fire was extremely active in the areas of the firing operations. Torching, spotting and sustained runs were observed where topography and fuels aligned. Spotting distances were reported up to 1/3 mile. Flame lengths of 2-4ft in the ponderosa pine and 8-12ft in the mixed conifer were prevalent.”
We had flames over 100’ high. They told us anything over about 6’ was impossible to fight even with aerial tankers. It got so hot that the headlight lenses on the brush pump trucks would melt before the firefighters would withdraw. We had spotting up to a mile if I recall correctly. We also had 105 degree days.
You have lots of people on this fire at nearly 1,300. We finally had about 1,500 though.
What better way to ensure that water makes it down to Phoenix avoiding the New Mexico-Arizona water settlements act than to make sure all rain water in the Gila Basin runs off to Arizona er... Phoenix.
Already have an influx of wildlife escaping through the river valley...
Screw the ‘wildlife corridors’... between Arizona’s Wallow Fire last year and what this fire in NM is working out to be there will not be a ‘corridor’ for wildlife, let alone HUMANS, to travel thru... Oh, I forgot to look at the bigger picture... Once humans are gone this area will once again be pristine since we’ll all be living in the cities.
Is the Gila Monster named after this area and if so, are their numbers in danger from this fire?
Agenda 21, where we’ll have ‘Normal Use Zones of Cooperation Where Humans Will Live’?
>> “but if the idiots of the FS will just leave it alone, it will return to former grandeur soon enough.” <<
It’ll be brushlands for the forseeable future, unless some seed trees survive. (not likely judging by the photos posted.)
“You have lots of people on this fire at nearly 1,300. We finally had about 1,500 though”
These crews cannot get close to the line due to wind and steep terain.
“We had flames over 100 high. They told us anything over about 6 was impossible to fight even with aerial tankers.”
How about hearing that there will NOT be any air support since the environazis didn’t want any slurry falling where their beloved wolves may live or in the Gila trout streems. Guess it is better to burn both out... Oh .. Wait!.. now maybe that slurry isn’t so bad... friggin idiots.
Everywhere we got slurry the vegetation is doing better than non-slurry areas. Yes, friggin idiots. You can also thank oblablaloon for canceling the contract that has been renewed for the last several decades for aerounion who have the largest fleet of aerial tankers in the country. A Republican runs the company. Horny Saladbar runs Department of Interior I don’t know what idiot the loon has running USDA now.
It was just astounding though to see what the tanker could do. He would actually box out houses on three sides to protect them from burning. After the fire we saw lines of red slurry down road lines like fences against the fire.
Itll be brushlands for the forseeable future, unless some seed trees survive. (not likely judging by the photos posted.)”
The run off will be catistrophic. I know this burn area as home.
These mountains were my sanctuary...
There are similar places in California, that were burned in the ‘40s and ‘50s that had large stands of Jeffry, which are a close cousin to the Ponderosa, both dessert trees, and they are brushlands now with an occasional ‘Digger’ pine here and there.
No evidence of a pending rebirth of the Jeffry forests.
Pinus leiophylla var. chihuahuana
People want to confuse this with the elderica... So far, a stand i know of has not burned.