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The ‘napalm girl' image that haunted the world turns 40
Herald Sun ^ | June 01, 2012 | AAP

Posted on 06/01/2012 9:54:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise

...It only took a second for Associated Press photographer Huynh Cong "Nick" Ut to snap the iconic black-and-white image 40 years ago. It communicated the horrors of the Vietnam War in a way words could never describe, helping to end one of America's darkest eras.

"I really wanted to escape from that little girl," says the subject of photo, Kim Phuc, now 49. "But it seems to me that the picture didn't let me go."

...She worked hard and was accepted into medical school to pursue her dream of becoming a doctor. But all that ended once the new communist leaders realised the propaganda value of the napalm girl in the photo.

...Phuc travelled to West Germany in 1982 for medical care with the help of a foreign journalist. Later Vietnam's prime minister, also touched by her story, made arrangements for her to study in Cuba.

She was finally free from the minders and reporters hounding her at home, but her life was far from normal. Ut, then working at the AP in Los Angeles, traveled to meet her in 1989, but they never had a moment alone. There was no way for him to know she desperately wanted his help again.

"I knew in my dream that one day Uncle Ut could help me to have freedom," said Phuc, referring to him by an affectionate Vietnamese term. "But I was in Cuba. I was really disappointed because I couldn't contact with him. I couldn't do anything."

... While at school, Phuc met a young Vietnamese man...

The two married in 1992 and honeymooned in Moscow. On the flight back to Cuba, the newlyweds defected during a refuelling stop in Canada. She was free...

(Excerpt) Read more at heraldsun.com.au ...


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: kimphuc; napalmgirl; photojournalism; vietnamwar
The two married in 1992 and honeymooned in Moscow. On the flight back to Cuba, the newlyweds defected during a refuelling stop in Canada. She was free.

If the Communists had ever cared about her as a person, they would've granted her freedom, rather than using her as a propaganda tool. The Vietnam War was long over by 1992.

1 posted on 06/01/2012 9:54:25 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 06/01/2012 10:00:21 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: a fool in paradise
The Vietnam War was long over by 1992.
As long as the commies run VN, the war will never be over.
3 posted on 06/01/2012 10:02:00 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: a fool in paradise

I remember this picture.

I had no idea the girl had survived.

It was great to read the article and know how her life has turned out.


4 posted on 06/01/2012 10:07:12 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: a fool in paradise

Reading this story will always improve the dark sadness I felt when looking at that photo.

Thank you for posting this.


5 posted on 06/01/2012 10:09:57 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: a fool in paradise

I had no idea she defected to the West. That is beyond ironic.


6 posted on 06/01/2012 10:10:30 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: a fool in paradise
"If the Communists had ever cared about her as a person, they would've granted her freedom, rather than using her as a propaganda tool."

I wonder how 'little' Elian Gonzales is doing in the Cuban Utopia these days.

7 posted on 06/01/2012 10:12:30 AM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: oh8eleven

Thank you for your service.

My father fought communists in Korea.

Now we have commies running America.

If they want to recreate ‘68, I will happily kill a commie for mommie to protect innocent human life.


8 posted on 06/01/2012 10:13:19 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: a fool in paradise
The common perception is that they are fleeing the South Vietnamese military.

Kim Phuc joined a group of civilians and South Vietnamese soldiers who were fleeing from the Caodai Temple to the safety of South Vietnamese–held positions. A South Vietnamese Air Force pilot mistook the group for enemy soldiers and diverted to attack.

They are fleeing the napalm from friendly fire in the company of soldiers. Just as the so-called "War in Iraq" ended with the fall of Saddam when the US then was fighting foreign trained/supplied/staffed "insurgents" alongside Iraqi soldiers.

She was an innocent victim. She was a pawn of international Communists for decades. If U.S. imperialism is so bad, why is all talk of global Communist imperialism "a Red Scare" and "paranoia"? The Vietnamese Communists dominated (and eradicated) South Vietnamese financed by the Soviet Communists and others. The Vietnamese Communists thought she would be okay in Castro's Cuba and the USSR.

But die hard American Reds insist "none of that is REAL Communism". It was good enough for Hanoi Jane to partner with it and wish its imposition on all of us.

9 posted on 06/01/2012 10:13:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: mom4melody

I’m glad to read she has her health, a family, and her freedom (and even some sanity after an incident like that).


10 posted on 06/01/2012 10:16:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Quite a story though that turned out pretty well in the end though.


11 posted on 06/01/2012 10:16:50 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
Now we have commies running America.
Not for much longer. I'm predicting a GOP landslide.
12 posted on 06/01/2012 10:19:39 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: a fool in paradise

We should never have sent ground troops to Vietnam.

We should have dropped a single Mark 41 bomb on Hanoi in 1964. 25 Megatons.

500,000+ people dead and North Vietnam surrenders. Not a single American casualty.


13 posted on 06/01/2012 10:20:00 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: a fool in paradise

Thank you for the post.

I saw a short on her several years ago. She is a wonderful, soothing, positive, inspiring speaker. There was no animosity toward anybody.

She had also switched gods.


14 posted on 06/01/2012 10:25:11 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: a fool in paradise
"I have a husband and a new life and want to be normal like everyone else," she said.

I think she's a little too extraordinary to be just like everyone else. What a nation of whiners we've become.

15 posted on 06/01/2012 10:46:54 AM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: a fool in paradise

The computer screen suddenly when all blurry.


16 posted on 06/01/2012 11:03:29 AM PDT by bgill
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To: oh8eleven
I can't remember whether that was Trang Bang or Go Da Ha. The area was infested with VC and NVA.
17 posted on 06/01/2012 11:33:37 AM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: a fool in paradise

I had heard that she got out but never knew the details before. It is good to see pictures of her as an adult.
Út means “youngest” or “least one.” Youngest child in a family is con út, con gái út is youngest daughter.


18 posted on 06/01/2012 11:37:52 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: moonshot925

***We should never have sent ground troops to Vietnam.***

“I will NOT send American boys to fight a war that Asian boys should be fighting!”-Lyndon B Johnson 1964.

Goldwater to Johnson..”You know we will eventually have to send troops to Vietnam!”

Johnson...”I know Barry, but I am out to win an election!”


19 posted on 06/01/2012 11:40:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: a fool in paradise; Chu Gary; angkor; Nam Vet; Byron_the_Aussie; .cnI redruM; Yardstick; cyborg; ...
Communism in Việt Nam has deteriorated over the years to something more like a government by Mafia.The government sees no problem being allied to the USA and will do domestically whatever the USA wants short of dissolving their jobs. Clinton and Bush leaned on them persistently to relax socially and politically and they did until 2008. The president who was elected in that year has a very different view of Human rights and such and does not care for liberties and suchlike in the US population or any other population. The USA has quit pushing for reform and the bosses are tightening ropes again. I could see the deterioration when I was back last year. If the USA collapses economically and the Việt honchos think the US has no more perceived interest in blocking China in the area then Hà Nội will clamp down for real because they know they will have to propitiate China.
20 posted on 06/01/2012 11:52:43 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: moonshot925
We should never have sent ground troops to Vietnam.

Though it's odd how these things work out sometimes.

Alot of American then troops have gone back there - including myself and my daughter - who in that porocess impart much about American values especially to those in the South where the majority of them served. This tends to reinforce the differences in the South which have always been different from the North and demonstrably, I believe, give them continued hope and opportunity which has been granted, albeit in stop and go fashion regularly from Hanoi since the "doi moi" ecconomic reforms of 1986.

I personally believe that Vietnam is worth it, and could eventually become one of our greatest allies in Asia. But the United States must retain its greatness for this to happen, and that is thre great question now in the current political enveronment.

21 posted on 06/01/2012 12:39:17 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: moonshot925
We should never have sent ground troops to Vietnam. We should have dropped a single Mark 41 bomb on Hanoi in 1964. 25 Megatons. 500,000+ people dead and North Vietnam surrenders. Not a single American casualty.

Welcome to Free Republic. FYI, we generally don't support the use of the military to commit mass murder here. We also have a lot of FReepers who are VN vets who know that the problem was Democrats undermining the war effort from home, and not any innate military inabilities we had in-country.

However, I share your enthusiasm for the power of the B41. But even something that powerful has to be used at the right time, in the right way, on the right target.

Have a nice day.

22 posted on 06/01/2012 12:43:43 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: onedoug

58,000 Americans were killed in Vietnam and 153,000 wounded. Using nuclear weapons in 1964 would have ended the conflict and saved American lives.


23 posted on 06/01/2012 12:45:20 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Talisker

“FYI, we generally don’t support the use of the military to commit mass murder here”

The firebomings of Japan in WW2 were mass murder. But they were effective.

You can look at the statistics here. Notice the huge drop in manufacturing that happens in 1945.

http://ww2total.com/WW2/History/Production/Japan/Military-production.htm


24 posted on 06/01/2012 1:10:00 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: ThanhPhero
Communism in Việt Nam has deteriorated over the years to something more like a government by Mafia.

A very concise and precise description of the ruling clique in contemporary Việt Nam.
25 posted on 06/01/2012 1:10:51 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: moonshot925

We will never know what the effect of going nuclear on Vietnam would have had on the Cold War and the world, but I doubt that it would have been pretty, it probably would have led to a massive acceleration and hardening of the global war footing and a more desperate search for a way to survive once an unstable, renegade America was revealed as a threat to everyone, and every city on the planet.

By the way, we had already lost 400 men before 1965.


26 posted on 06/01/2012 1:19:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

They Soviets would have stayed quiet. In 1965 we had 854 ICBMs, 384 SLBMs and 650 strategic bombers. The Soviets had 281 ICBMs, 75 SLBMs and 163 strategic bombers. By retaliating for the nuclear strike in Vietnam, the Soviets would be commiting suicide.


27 posted on 06/01/2012 1:35:56 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

I wasn’t saying anything about the immediate reaction to a 1964 nuclear attack by the united States, nor did I specify only the Soviet Union.

I think it would have had terrible consequences for the following years/decades and over the long run it probably would have been truly disastrous for America and the world.

I don’t see it resulting in the almost picture perfect result that we did get. After a 1964 nuclear erasing of Hanoi, the world would have gone into a long term reaction to find a way to counter us, to remove such an unstable, global threat, to subdue us in some manner, suddenly the internal politics and culture and unrestrained raw power of the United States would become all important to every nation on earth, even our allies.

“”We will never know what the effect of going nuclear on Vietnam in 1964 would have had on the Cold War and the world, but I doubt that it would have been pretty, it probably would have led to a massive acceleration and hardening of the global war footing and a more desperate search for a way to survive once an unstable, renegade America was revealed as a threat to everyone, and every city on the planet.””


28 posted on 06/01/2012 1:49:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

Did the world try to counter us and remove us after we used nuclear weapons against Japan in WW2?


29 posted on 06/01/2012 1:55:42 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

LOL, I wondered if you might ask such a silly question, and I instantly dismissed it as a possibility, but yes you did ask it.


30 posted on 06/01/2012 2:05:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: a fool in paradise

31 posted on 06/01/2012 2:10:36 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: ansel12

You haven’t answered the question.


32 posted on 06/01/2012 2:47:03 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
No, I haven't taken the time and effort to start at scratch with you, and explain the differences between ending man's greatest conflagration in history, a total global war devouring the entire planet, when death was measured in the many tens of millions and death camps alone executed civilians by the millions, with two atomic bombs dropped on the unapproachable island enemy of Imperial Japan who engaged us in the most massive blood bath in human history by launching a sneak attack on us when we were at peace, meant to wipe out our military capabilities,-—versus the soon to be Cold War stand-off with multiple nuclear powers, a world not at war, and an understanding that nuclear bombs were a deterrent only to prevent another WWII, and in that new post WWII world, us suddenly nuking North Vietnam in 1964 to avoid sending troops over there in an optional conventional war, thereby signaling that America had gone renegade, left the reservation, and was ready to use nukes in place of troops at places that we decided that we wanted to intervene, deciding on who was President.

When we had a President Eisenhower, it might mean no troops, no nukes, no Vietnam War, a little election comes along of a JFK, and suddenly the world sees mushroom clouds in various places of interest to that current American politician.

33 posted on 06/01/2012 3:27:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: moonshot925

Nukes on an enemy the United States had already defeated would have been less necessary than taking the enemy within the US who really lost it for us, and who are very much still here, and even elected to be in charge. Should we nuke them too?


34 posted on 06/01/2012 7:32:59 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: ansel12

You have more patience than I do.

The world has worked as well as it has for the post-WWII period simply because everyone assumes, regardless of their shrieking otherwise, that the USA is rational and “good.”

If the USA had a justified reputation for random use of nukes to avoid inconvenience, every other nation would have excellent reason to take us out.

The world would be a very different place, and not an improved one.

Recently finished a dystopic book, Caliphate, in which the USA more or less becomes this violent genocidal nation, after multiple US cities are destroyed by terrorist nukes. It ain’t a pretty picture.


35 posted on 06/02/2012 6:21:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: oh8eleven

“I’m predicting a GOP landslide.”

I’ll agree folks are fed up with the current regime, but the GOP (Going On Progressive) party cant seem to get any true small government conservatives to run for POTUS.

Romney is a socialist, and a socialist is just a patient communist to me.


36 posted on 06/02/2012 2:41:00 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“The world has worked as well as it has for the post-WWII period simply because everyone assumes, regardless of their shrieking otherwise, that the USA is rational and “good.”

People who understand events in the light of truth see the US as good. I saw a show about tank battles last night on the history channel. A French town has a Sherman Tank to commemorate it’s liberation from Nazis by America.

However, the world is full of folks brainwashed to hate America. They think Hiroshima and Dresden were war crimes just like the holocaust and the rape of Nanking.

People who value truth know that the US responses to stop war crimes were not war crimes themselves.


37 posted on 06/02/2012 2:50:51 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Yardstick

I hope her life is peaceful and simple and joyful as well as her husbands and her kids.....


38 posted on 06/02/2012 2:57:40 PM PDT by cherry
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To: MikeSteelBe
Romney is a socialist, and a socialist is just a patient communist to me.
Obama is a communist and he won't be patient at all should he win another term.
A no-vote for Romney is a vote for communism.
39 posted on 06/02/2012 4:13:01 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

I agree, and I plan on holding my nose and voting “R”.

My point is that continuing to vote “R” will get us to the same place Obama is taking us, only slower.

Conservative patriots must reclaim the Republican party.

The propaganda media did it’s job slandering the TEA party.


40 posted on 06/03/2012 8:51:27 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
My point is that continuing to vote “R” will get us to the same place Obama is taking us, only slower.
Well, you don't to vote "R" - you can vote "C" for Conservative.
Yes, they're usually one and the same, but the more the Rs see the Cs taking away votes, it'll help.
More importantly, we need to take back the Senate and increase the number of seats in the House.
That will help control whomever is in the WH.
41 posted on 06/03/2012 2:17:51 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

“That will help control whomever is in the WH.”

I hope you are right. Bush did nothing to hold the Clinton Cartel accountable for its crimes, and I do not have much faith that Romney will do much either.

Things like “Fast and Furious” and the New Black Panther voter intimidation case must be prosecuted and the perpetrators punished before I have any faith in the credibility of our government and the rule of law in this country.


42 posted on 06/06/2012 7:40:54 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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