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Shocker:GISS... rapid warming in recent decades has been driven mainly by non-CO2 greenhouse gases”
watts Up With That? ^ | June 3, 2012 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 06/04/2012 10:10:31 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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Shocker: The Hansen/GISS team paper that says: “we argue that rapid warming in recent decades has been driven mainly by non-CO2 greenhouse gases”

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No, this isn’t a joke, it isn’t a fake document, and it isn’t a misinterpretation. It is a paper published by Dr. James Hansen (and the GISS team) in PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences). In the paper (published in 2000, but long since buried) they make these two bold statements (emphasis mine):

..we argue that rapid warming in recent decades has been driven mainly by non-CO2 greenhouse gases (GHGs), such as chlorofluorocarbons, CH4, and N2O, not by the products of fossil fuel burning, CO2 and aerosols..

If sources of CH4 and O3 precursors were reduced in the future, the change in climate forcing by non-CO2 GHGs in the next 50 years could be near zero. Combined with a reduction of black carbon emissions and plausible success in slowing CO2 emissions, this reduction of non-CO2 GHGs could lead to a decline in the rate of global warming, reducing the danger of dramatic climate change.

Basically what Hansen is saying is that we should focus on air pollution, and some CO2 reduction, but not exclusively on CO2 alone. This is of course at odds with his famous 350ppm CO2 “safe level” upon which the activist organization 350.org is formed, along with many other pronouncements made by Hansen. I post the abstract and excerpts from the PNAS paper below. Be sure to note the item in red. – Anthony

(Excerpt) Read more at wattsupwiththat.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: aerosols; blackcarbon; cfcs; ch4; climatechange; co2; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 06/04/2012 10:10:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Lancey Howard; ...

240 Responses to the article at WUWT!!!


2 posted on 06/04/2012 10:12:45 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Liberal farting. See Barney Frank. Or hear him.


3 posted on 06/04/2012 10:18:12 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
LMAO, will they find that in tree rings too?

Just like that, they buy time, cost everybody else a bucket of money, and accomplish the same destructive ends.

It doesn't matter if it's Hansen or some other corrupt thug; it's the power to regulate that is the problem.

4 posted on 06/04/2012 10:23:37 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero ineligible! Racist birthers! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Hardraade
The Propaganda Message Change might be related to the survey of the NSF....see this thread:

The more science you know, the less worried you are about climate

Who is running the National Science Foundation....the Propagandists?

5 posted on 06/04/2012 10:24:25 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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wikeroy says:

June 3, 2012 at 9:32 am

Will James Hansen be put on The Black List now?

REPLY: Note the date, now embellished in red so people don’t miss it – Anthony

6 posted on 06/04/2012 10:32:10 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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alex says:

June 3, 2012 at 9:34 am

This is a quite old paper, isn´t it?

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/18/9875.long

Published online before print August 15, 2000, doi: 10.1073/pnas.170278997
PNAS August 29, 2000 vol. 97 no. 18 9875-9880

REPLY: You, like a few others, missed the two references I made to it being published in the year 2000, so I beefed up the notice to “in your face levels” – Anthony

7 posted on 06/04/2012 10:35:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Half of the heat in the world comes form radioactive decay form deep in the earth. This is the most ignored source of heat.
8 posted on 06/04/2012 10:37:38 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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9 posted on 06/04/2012 10:38:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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Bob Tisdale says:

June 3, 2012 at 9:39 am

As of 2:09PM NDT, Hansen hasn’t posted a link to this paper at his website:
http://fromjameshansen.blogspot.com/

10 posted on 06/04/2012 10:39:44 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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markx says:

June 3, 2012 at 9:40 am

Simple strategy. Never, ever admit you were wrong.
Just smoothly brush that all under the rug, then move on to the next stage of the research, and hopefully remain at the forefront.

I’ve seen this in biological sciences. I was at a conference years ago where a lead researcher in one field (probably regarded as the world’s leading expert) was openly mocking what we all thought was some very good research coming out of Europe. Within a year or two he realized the Europeans were correct, smoothly changed horses, did some similar reasearch of his own, and is still the highly respected world expert in the field. At no stage have I heard him apologize or mention that he was, for a time, mistaken.

However, good people, from the point of view of ‘science’, this IS all progress.

11 posted on 06/04/2012 10:41:07 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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Oh...Good one here:

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Keith Jackson says:

June 3, 2012 at 10:11 am

As I remember, when this came out the first time (in 2000) there were cries of outrage from the environmental activist community… the very idea that we might get by without destroying the world economy was complete heresy. Hansen was in grave danger of losing his guru status! I have long suspected that this very danger may well have had a hand in shaping his subsequent behavior.

12 posted on 06/04/2012 10:47:57 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Q: According to scientists, whom you revere, do you know that homosapiens appeared on earth 200,000 years ago.
A: That’s about right.

Q: Were there cool and warm periods from then to now?
A: Many.

Q: Did homosapiens have the alleged carbon foot print on earth 200,000 or 100,000 or 20,000 years ago that we allegedly do today?

A: No, they were hunter/gatherers and lived off sustainable resources, organically.

Q: Do you know that the last ice age was 18,000 years ago?
A: That recent?

Q: So from your past answers, can you conclude that humans, with their organic foot print 18,000 years ago were the cause of the earth to warm, thereby ending that ice age?

A: Of course not. They did not pollute nor have the carbon foot print we do today? I said there have been many cool and warm periods. Science tells us so.

Q: So how can you say that humans today are the cause of global warming when humans 18,000 years ago did not cause global warming? (using the associative law of algebra if A=B and B=C, the A=C).

A: (sound of crickets)


13 posted on 06/04/2012 10:49:02 AM PDT by llevrok (EPA = Environmental Pirate's Association)
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To: Carry_Okie

Sometimes I think we are missing a bet by NOT fighting thuggery with thuggery. I say kick the soapbox out from under Hanson, and let him fall on his butt.

Unfortunately his soapbox is protected by not only the first amendment, but the MSM as well while they avoid reporting any truth whatsoever.

The truth being the Leftists promoting AGW/Climate Change don’t have any proof. Only theory, and respond with discussion of theory (spin) when asked for proof.


14 posted on 06/04/2012 10:55:11 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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DirkH says:

June 3, 2012 at 10:35 am

It was not possible to get 1.2 bn USD a year for his employer NASA with the air pollution argument so he got the order to find something more in line with the UNIPCC’s mission, would be my guess.

http://notrickszone.com/2012/04/12/nasa-abdalatis-response-to-50-esteemed-professionals-is-managerial-negligence-an-embarrassment/#comment-92515
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/FY12-climate-fs.pdf

GISS – distorting science since 1971 (at least).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schneider
“In 1971, Schneider was second author on a Science paper with S. I. Rasool titled “Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Aerosols: Effects of Large Increases on Global Climate” (Science 173, 138–141). ”

Schneider’s prediction: 3.5 degree C cooling through air pollution.

15 posted on 06/04/2012 10:55:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Carry_Okie
I am looking thru the comments in regard to the curious Webcast that seemed to have been hurriedly scheluded last week by CARB on the dangers of soot and air pollution.

Think I put up a thread .

16 posted on 06/04/2012 11:02:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge
Thanks to the keyword facility:

CA: Air Resources Board to make webcast on ‘black carbon and other “short-lived” greenhouse gases. ‘

17 posted on 06/04/2012 11:09:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What rapid warming?


18 posted on 06/04/2012 11:12:36 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: llevrok

Excellent.


19 posted on 06/04/2012 11:12:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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(did I ask a bad question?)


20 posted on 06/04/2012 11:13:35 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Taco Bell, bean burritos, methane, OH NOES. And conversion of cattle to double cheeseburgers.


21 posted on 06/04/2012 11:15:08 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: TigersEye

The paper was from 2000.


22 posted on 06/04/2012 11:17:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Was the warming rapid in the decades before 2000?

Weren't those the decades that Hanson played hide and seek with the numbers?

23 posted on 06/04/2012 11:34:08 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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24 posted on 06/04/2012 11:37:16 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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25 posted on 06/04/2012 11:39:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Double post from system troubles,.....time outs and proxy errors.


26 posted on 06/04/2012 11:42:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: TigersEye; All
Not quite what I was looking for...but this comment is in the area.....something is sure as hell going on....that CARB webcast had some causitive action behind it....

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coldlynx says:

June 3, 2012 at 11:12 am

The article may be the scientific foundation for “Climate and Clean Air Coalition” CCAC
This may be the long needed escape way for governments to get away from CO2 focus.
They may then focus on something more agreeable than CO2
http://www.unep.org/
and
http://www.unep.org/ccac/Portals/24183/docs/Press_release_Sec_Clinton_Announces_the_CCAC.pdf
and
http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2012/05/30/g8-takes-on-short-lived-climate-pollutants/
shortname: SLCP

27 posted on 06/04/2012 11:54:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Just wait until it gets really hot along about the middle of August.


28 posted on 06/04/2012 1:35:36 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From the main article:
"Now for the other shocker. This paper was published in the year 2000. So what happened to Hansen since then? He’s totally lost the plot from then, which from my perspective, seems reasonable, and one I could get behind."

IMO, Hansen over the years has been a tool for those that seek world domination and population control.
29 posted on 06/04/2012 1:44:53 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They’re just not going to give up are they? If CO2 is roundly debunked (and it has been) then on to something else. The good news is that’s a desperation game and it will be very hard to keep anyone but the diehard eco-nut on board.


30 posted on 06/04/2012 2:03:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Eat less beans.


31 posted on 06/04/2012 6:21:53 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: mountainlion
Radon : a chemical element with the atomic number 86, and is represented by the symbol Rn. It is a radioactive, colorless, odorless, tasteless noble gas, occurring naturally as the decay product of uranium or thorium. Its most stable isotope, 222Rn, has a half-life of 3.8 days.

Ain't nothing humans or the environmentalist can do about it, it happens naturally.
32 posted on 06/04/2012 6:25:44 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
They may then focus on something more agreeable than CO2

Their problem is that they don't have any climate change with which to correlate.

33 posted on 06/04/2012 6:57:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
They may then focus on something more agreeable than CO2

Their problem is that they don't have any climate change with which to correlate.

34 posted on 06/04/2012 6:57:34 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hanson is a circus clown. How much tax payer money have governments dumped as a result of this chicken little watermelon game?

Someone tell Mittens. He’s a dippy warmist.


35 posted on 06/04/2012 7:56:29 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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