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Egypt still reeling from 1967 War defeat: Naim Sabri
Al-Ahram ^ | Tuesday 5 Jun 2012 | Dina Ezzat

Posted on 06/05/2012 11:17:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai

It has been 45 years since Egypt and its Arab allies were defeated by Israel in the Six Day War.

The defeat led to the occupation of Egyptian and other Arab land, including East Jerusalem. An equally troubling outcome was the eventual retreat of calls for a strong civil state, which Egyptian president Gamal Abdel-Nasser had been working towards in the decade prior to the defeat.

"Ultimately, we ended up with a scenario in which the nation was faced with two choices: the power of the military or the power of political Islam," said novelist Naim Sabri in an interview with Ahram Online. "This was not immediate, but inevitable."

Sabri's novels, including his famous Shubra, examine the deep and often disturbing change in Egyptian society over recent decades. The starting point is usually the eve of Egypt's 1952 Revolution, which brought the monarchy to an end and launched a republic in which the military would play a central role.

A clear theme in Sabri's work is the changing role of religion in society, from a spiritual exercise in the 1950s and 1960s to a socio-economic one later on, which not only contributed little to society's evolution but actually ended up fostering intellectual stagnation.

"The 1967 defeat led to a loss of hope and aspiration; it was a moment of despair when society was searching for any exit, hence the turn to political Islam," Sabri said. …

(Excerpt) Read more at english.ahram.org.eg ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Poetry; Society
KEYWORDS: arabspring; egypt; islam; israel; jihad; nasser; sadat; taliban; wot
More jihadist propaganda . . . revanchism for the Six Day War now.
1 posted on 06/05/2012 11:17:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Egypt still reeling from 1967 War defeat: Naim Sabri

Egypt is reeling because it's Islamic, which can do nothing other than what it was designed to do - destroy everything it touches, including it's own people.

2 posted on 06/05/2012 11:19:26 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Olog-hai

Hell, they’re still angry they got kicked out of Spain 500+ years ago.

do not expect to ever have peace with such people.


3 posted on 06/05/2012 11:21:24 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Olog-hai
I remember the ‘67 war well. As I recall, the hottest product to come out of that conflict were backup lights for Egyptian tanks.
4 posted on 06/05/2012 11:23:40 AM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack

I remember the ‘67 war well. As I recall, the hottest product to come out of that conflict were backup lights for Egyptian tanks...


and seat belts for flying carpets after they lost several pilots....


5 posted on 06/05/2012 11:29:53 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: Olog-hai

Maybe if Egypt had left the Jews alone they wouldn’t have had to cry over losing.


6 posted on 06/05/2012 11:29:53 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm STILL supporting Newt.)
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To: Talisker

I wouldn’t take an all-expenses paid vacation to Egypt now. There is no one there that would dare protect an American or a Christian.


7 posted on 06/05/2012 11:33:51 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Olog-hai

And Israel will kick their ass again, should they try anything.


8 posted on 06/05/2012 11:34:57 AM PDT by Signalman ( November, 2012-The End of an Error)
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To: Olog-hai

This essay claims Sadat used Islamist movements to fight leftists in Egypt. I think he’s got it reversed. Sadat used Muslim imagery to calm the troglodyte Islamist masses whose numbers had expanded massively even as the irreligious cosmopolites populating the cities were having too much fun to procreate in significant numbers. A shifting demography is why we’re now having to deal with the dominance of Islamists across the Muslim world. Could the country’s economy have been managed better under a democracy? Who knows? India was a basket case for most of the period since independence despite being a democracy. China has lapped India in economic development despite being near the bottom of the per capita GDP rankings when economic reform began in 1979.


9 posted on 06/05/2012 11:35:32 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: VanDeKoik

“Maybe if Egypt had left the Jews alone they wouldn’t have had to cry over losing.”

If they left the Jews alone in 1948, there wouldn’t be an Israel today. My dad told me many years ago that the way to destroy the Jewish people was to leave them alone. They would intermarry, lose their traditions and eventually would become secular.

Which of course explains the Socialist Jews wandering the planet.


10 posted on 06/05/2012 11:35:45 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Signalman

“And Israel will kick their ass again, should they try anything.”

Amen, praise the Lord and pass the nukes.


11 posted on 06/05/2012 11:38:33 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Olog-hai

The writer’s point is a valid one - that man does not live on bread alone. Pride is important. He suggests that when the secular military establishment that ruled Egypt was unable to properly chastise Israel in retaliation for the 1967 defeat, Egyptians turned to Allah, seeking divine intervention. I think the writer’s wrong to say that Sadat emphasized Islamism to help fight leftists. It was Islamists, not leftists, who repeatedly tried to assassinate Sadat. Sadat was merely throwing them a few crumbs to appease them. He found out, too late, that they are religious sociopaths and essentially unappeasable. I think the author of this piece also understates the effects of secular city-dwellers having far fewer children than the religious zealots out in the boondocks.


12 posted on 06/05/2012 11:47:29 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Signalman
Really, the US has completely rebuilt Egypt's military. It's much more powerful than ever before. Today, Egypt could give Israel all she could handle. That's why the people using the phony Arab Spring movement ( the Moslem Brotherhood ) absolutely needed to overthrow Mubarack.

Egypt Military Strength

Egypt Military Strength Detail by the numbers.

PERSONNEL

Total Population: 82,079,636 [2011] Available Manpower: 41,157,220 [2011] Fit for Service: 35,305,381 [2011] Of Military Age: 1,532,052 [2011] Active Military: 468,500 [2011] Active Reserve: 479,000 [2011]

LAND ARMY

Total Land Weapons: 51,965 Tanks: 3,980 [2012] APCs / IFVs: 8,745 [2012] Towed Artillery: 2,760 [2012] SPGs: 965 [2012] MLRSs: 1,601 [2012] Mortars: 10,334 [2011] AT Weapons: 23,590 [2011] AA Weapons: 4,195 [2012] Logistical Vehicles: 57,235

AIR POWER

Total Aircraft: 884 [2011] Helicopters: 306 [2011] Serviceable Airports: 86 [2011]

RESOURCES

Oil Production: 662,600 bbl/Day [2012] Oil Consumption: 740,000 bbl/Day [2012] Proven Reserves: 4,400,000,000 bbl/Day [2012]

Partial Sources: Central Intelligence Agency

View the US Military Pay Chart LOGISTICAL

Labor Force: 26,200,000 [2012] Roadway Coverage: 65,050 km Railway Coverage: 5,083 km

FINANCIAL (USD)

Defense Budget: $7,150,000,000 [2011] Reserves of Foreign Exchange & Gold: $35,790,000,000 [2012] Purchasing Power: $497,800,000,000 [2011]

GEOGRAPHIC

Waterways: 3,500 km Coastline: 2,450 km Square Land Area: 1,001,450 km Shared Border: 2,665 km

NAVAL POWER

Total Navy Ships: 221 Merchant Marine Strength: 66 [2011] Major Ports & Terminals: 7 Aircraft Carriers: 0 [2012] Destroyers: 0 [2012] Submarines: 4 [2012] Frigates: 9 [2012] Patrol Craft: 130 [2012] Mine Warfare Craft: 28 [2012] Amphibious Assault Craft: 20 [2012]

13 posted on 06/05/2012 11:58:00 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the communityÂ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: Olog-hai
Dear Egypt,

The war you started and lost was almost half a century ago. Just look at you, sitting there crying like a little wuss. I have a good mind to slap your face. Get over it, learn something new, and DO something with your lives you lazy sacks of crap.

Signed,

Japan.

14 posted on 06/05/2012 12:06:56 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: STD
Really, the US has completely rebuilt Egypt's military. It's much more powerful than ever before. Today, Egypt could give Israel all she could handle. That's why the people using the phony Arab Spring movement ( the Moslem Brotherhood ) absolutely needed to overthrow Mubarack.

If they're as well-provisioned as the Israelis were during the Yom Kippur War, they need to win any war within 7 days. Because that's right about when they'll need to get parts and ammo for all of that American hardware, which won't be forthcoming because they're attacking Israel. They also have to factor the certainty of US intervention if it looks like Israel is at risk of being overrun. The aerial interdiction of Egyptian supply lines by USAF and USN aircraft would lead to a re-run of Yom Kippur, when Israeli troops threatened Cairo.

15 posted on 06/05/2012 12:15:15 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: STD

There’s also the fact that the Egyptian government is going through a Greek-like economic crisis without the EU to bail it out. In addition, it wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of that American equipment is collecting dust. Maintenance and training are expensive, due to fuel, ammo and parts costs. It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of that budget has gone towards fancy homes, cars and foreign bank accounts, given how allergic Muslim governments are to accounting audits at any level. Bottom line is that I don’t think Egypt is prepared for war.


16 posted on 06/05/2012 12:22:17 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Olog-hai
The author leaves out a couple of important points (or just sidesteps them):

1. Sadat's brilliant attack across the Suez Canal through the Bar-Lev defensive line and his subsequent repulsion of the Israeli counterattack was a significant revival of Egyptian self-esteem. It took Ariel Sharon's penetration back across the Suez Canal toward Cairo to finally end hostilities.

2. It was rabidly militant Islamists who were furious at Sadat's peace with Israel who murdered Sadat. Sadat didn't found a religious government, he was assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood and their coreligionists.

3. Gamal Abdel Nasser wasn't interested in a Republic of Egypt: he wanted to be the Great Arab Leader, hence he founded the United Arab Republic with himself as the sovereign leader.

Creative fiction is a specialty of that part of the world.

17 posted on 06/05/2012 12:28:14 PM PDT by Chainmail
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To: VanDeKoik
With apologies to Mr. Friedman:

No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
They don't turn the other cheek the way they done before.
You hear that [A-rab] holler as he hits the hardwood floor
Lord, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore!
All right!
18 posted on 06/05/2012 1:40:31 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: econjack
I remember the ‘67 war well. As I recall, the hottest product to come out of that conflict were backup lights for Egyptian tanks.

Want to but an Egyptian tank? Brand new condition except reverse gear is burned out. We also have Egyptian Army rifles, only dropped once!

Regards,
GtG

PS I remember '67 as well, after the 6 day war (springtime) I was getting ready to graduate from college when Milwaukee was hit w/ a race riot that put most of Milwaukee County on 'lock-down'. August was hot that year...

19 posted on 06/05/2012 1:50:47 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Olog-hai
If only the United Arab Republic (Egypt and Syria) had been able to properly wage their Jihad on Israel and with the help of the Arab states destroy it, the Arab world would be so much better. Their socialist revolution would have continued and the whole region could have been one giant Ba'athist or Nasserite regime.
I still don't understand where the liberalization would have occurred.
20 posted on 06/05/2012 4:11:16 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
br>Thanks Olog-hai.
It has been 45 years since Egypt and its Arab allies were defeated by Israel in the Six Day War. The defeat led to the occupation of Egyptian and other Arab land, including East Jerusalem.
"East Jerusalem" is not now nor has it ever been "Arab land". The Hashemite racist dynasty in Amman ethnically cleansed the eastern part of Jerusalem.
"Ultimately, we ended up with a scenario in which the nation was faced with two choices: the power of the military or the power of political Islam," said novelist Naim Sabri in an interview with Ahram Online. "This was not immediate, but inevitable."
IOW, Naim Sabri will be killed by jihadists.


21 posted on 06/05/2012 4:47:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Olog-hai

Even today, “Arab East Jerusalem” is used to obscure the fact that the millenia-old Jewish community there was murdered in 1948.


22 posted on 06/05/2012 6:57:11 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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