Skip to comments.So, today I was watching MSNBC...
Posted on 06/05/2012 6:22:52 PM PDT by Winstons Julia
I know... but I wanted to see what they were saying about the Wisconsin election. I just happened to catch a segment where Joe Klein was being interviewed and he was talking about the importance of "Do Not Resuscitate" orders.
I would absolutely LOVE it if someone could get footage of this conversation because it was absolutely CHILLING.
First, Klein admits his dad would want to be resuscitated, and then he says the doctor convinced them to basically TAKE OVER their father's wishes and get a DNR. My jaw was on the floor.
Did anyone else see this?
Having worked for 20+ at a large (and famous) hospital I can assure that DNR orders are taken very seriously for many reason...some ethical...some legal.Either there's something important missing from this story or else the physician/hospital in question is playing a very dangerous game.
We will have to try to find the other person who watches MSNBC at that time of the day to answer that question.
Dems should have to show their DNR tattoo to vote...
Doctor’s (general practitioner’s) orders: Don’t watch MSNBC.
Psychiatrist’s orders: Don’t watch television.
I didn't, but the dead reliably vote Democrat.
I don’t know why anyone would expect any less from a bottom feeder like Joe Klein, least of all his dad.
I don’t watch MSNBC, but today, with the Wisconsin election happening, I wanted to know what they were saying.
Regarding the Wisconsin election, they didn’t say much.
But I happened to catch this segment.
I worked in a hospital where I witnessed advance directives on occasion.
WHY would a doctor use a case of broken ribs to persuade the children to “slap a DNR” on Dad?
You can’t “slap a DNR order” on someone, even if it IS your own parent. They have to agree to it themselves. They have to sign a form, I believe. But word of warning. Make damned sure if you sign a DNR for yourself that you are fully aware of what that could (and might) translate to in the minds of ‘some’ people in the hospital.
In my mom’s case, they let her lay there over a Saturday night and early Sunday morning with over 100 degree fever and gave her NO medication to combat the fever. The “doctor on duty” said to the nurse to make her “comfortable” ....which meant to let her die, essentially.
THAT is how a DNR could be translated by some of the ghouls in our society these days. So be warned.
I’m not sure what you’re saying. Here in WV, a doctor can just unilaterally put a DNR on a patient based on “medical ethics” / “futility” reasons, against a family’s wishes, as happened with our mother.
IMO, that shouldn’t happen.
For me, a DNR is not something that should be treated in a cavalier fashion.
A lot of humanist doctors want the elderly and handicapped to die. They think they are a waste of money and time.
Now that Obamacare has institutionalized that mentality, the wolves will come out growling. People are going to be victimized by these “doctors.”
Dangerous game, indeed. My father’s fairly recent directive was “full code.” He was in final stage heart failure, was on dialysis, and had just had a heart attack. The doctor substituted a DNR, which I learned from grilling a nurse. My Dad was still conscious and lucid, and had a deep faith that he should live each day of the life God gave him. In accordance with his wishes, I found an attorney who would take the case and visit him in the hospital. The full code was reinstated, and my sister and I were gIven health proxy if he was declared incompetent.
The lawyer visited each doctor, department, nurse and the administration.
Copies of my father’s directive and the attorney’s business card were given to everyone involved, including a copy posted on his door.
Nurses and doctors began badgering me, even calling me at his home.
They wanted him to have the, well, Terri Schiavo treatment, since food and water are now considered extreme measures.
Their efforts made the last two weeks of his life very stress filled, and interfered with his ability to spend quiet time with family. The doctor once again substituted a DNR. I spent what turned out to be my Dad’s last day of life dealing with the lawyer and a now hostile doctor.
Other patients’ family members were complaining of efforts to speed their loved ones’ demise. I gave copies of our lawyer’s card to all of them, and was warmly thanked.
I know others make different choices. At the end a person just wants peace of mind, in whatever form that takes.
In our case, they sprang a surprise meeting on a Friday morning (which I later learned was absolutely unethical to do without warning, since the doctor merely said to come in and talk with him, and we were ambushed when we walked in and saw a room full of doctors). The 10 white coats voted in great exasperation to discontinue treatment since we weren't agreeing with them. So the 72 hours began exactly when it would be most difficult to even find anyone in their offices to talk. So while we were calling lawyers and hospitals around the country, the hospital called to say it's too late, since she just had a heart attack and died because of the DNR.
How did it come to the state that our hospitals are filled with hundreds of thousands of people (doctors, nurses, etc.) who have such hostility to those who come for treatment?
I think the pressure comes from the entity paying the bills (Medicare and Medicaid) plus the hospital not wanting to be stuck providing expensive treatment for a low reimbursement rate.
My personal experience was that my mom was energetically kept alive by the nursing home while she still had money in the bank. When she shifted to Medicaid, she died within three weeks.
Yep. That’s it.
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