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How to spot a sociopath-could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job
Natural News ^ | 6-7-12 | waus

Posted on 06/07/2012 11:07:05 PM PDT by waus

Sociopaths are masters at influence and deception. Very little of what they say actually checks out in terms of facts or reality, but they're extremely skillful at making the things they say sound believable, even if they're just making them up out of thin air.

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Had to post this because it reminds me of a certain individual.
1 posted on 06/07/2012 11:07:18 PM PDT by waus
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To: waus

gee, wonder who that could be ...


2 posted on 06/07/2012 11:09:31 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: waus
How to spot a sociopath-could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job

They're easy to spot - their names are followed by (D) or (R).

3 posted on 06/07/2012 11:18:53 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: waus

Even worse.... the narcissistic-sociopath who craves attention and can’t stand criticism. This personality is even more dangerous when they hold grudges against certain people based on group identity or a chip on their shoulder based on their own perception of self and identity politics. This personality is especially influenced by radical academics and spiritual figures who distort reality for sweeping social movements.

Interesting conversation.


4 posted on 06/07/2012 11:28:04 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: waus
I have been unlucky enough to have had a close extended contact not to long ago with a sociopath. He fled once I exposed his mass deception and was ruthless and cruel in how he left. Yet the most difficult part was trying to converse to semi close colleagues that were still under his sway and thus deceptions.

An example of this was the sociopath was a self professed Satan worshipper (to me) and I discovered several on-line writings of his to confirm this believe. He was also very proud to have tested as a sociopath and tested as having no empathy toward others which he laughed at with great joy.

Yet when I mentioned to a close, colleague (who is also a devout Christian and was exposing this man consistently to his family), he angrily laughed, "he is not a Satan worshipper." As if I was crazy. I told him to go on-line and read it for himself. He never would and continued a very long term 'friendship' with this man all along exposing his charismatic BS to his children.

Showed me the power of the sociopath over his followers and their ability to dispense of even their basic values to keep these people around.

Could Obama be a sociopath? Likely. If not he is surely malignant narcissist.

5 posted on 06/07/2012 11:30:35 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: volunbeer
yes it is interesting. Although there is a sure fire 'sociopath' extinquisher and it is mentioned in the article:

#7) Tell the truth. It is powerful... perhaps the most powerful thing in the universe. The truth unfailingly outshines lies and deceptions. And even when the people around you may not see the truth, the greater universe does. By telling the truth, you empower yourself in all areas of your life, and you bring yourself closer to true spiritual understanding

I have found this to be true. Notice how the media protects the lies of Obama and doesn't DARE begin on the trail of truth. I think a few of them a long the way woke up from their hypnotism and realized their trail of lies is never ending with this guy and ultimately in the end his whole administration as he is a shell with a limited mission.

He is not truth. He is made up from a collage of lies to fulfill the mission of Commie/Socialism in America and to TRY to remove God from our nation and personal lives.

6 posted on 06/07/2012 11:37:13 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet
"Sure-fire sociopath extinguisher"! I like that!

#7) Tell the truth. It is powerful... perhaps the most powerful thing in the universe. The truth unfailingly outshines lies and deceptions.

I know that God is love. I figure that where truth is, God is, as well, and where lies are, God ain't.

7 posted on 06/07/2012 11:44:00 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: waus

Does that certain individual you speak of rhyme with Buttcrack?


8 posted on 06/07/2012 11:46:24 PM PDT by max americana
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To: max americana

yeah and a very deep, dark, unclean one at that and that is just the WORD that rhymes with the dude. I need say no more about the man himself.


9 posted on 06/07/2012 11:57:31 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: waus

I read that book years ago because some dude was driving me “nuts”. Book set me straight.

I don’t agree that the sociopath is highly intelligent. He can have a low IQ and use his highly respected family name for credibility. That family name lets him get away with doing/saying stuff that us regular folks wouldn’t be able to.


10 posted on 06/08/2012 12:03:33 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: max americana

Just paid homage to your rhymer on another thread. Sorry for the lack of credit. I should have put a copyright symbol after it—haha.


11 posted on 06/08/2012 12:03:54 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet

Go ahead my disciple lol. I actually “borrowed” it from a true O hater on Rightnation. Never once in 4 years did he called Odumbo by his actual name (snicker)


12 posted on 06/08/2012 12:06:54 AM PDT by max americana
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I would say that sociopaths would have at least a slightly above average IQ. If they lacked intelligence they would not be able to function since it requires a constant juggling of lies and an ability to play roles very well.

When you come across a sociopath of gifted IQ or better you have a serious problem. Adolf Hitler was one. I could name a few politicians in America too but everyone on this site already knows who they are.


13 posted on 06/08/2012 12:22:38 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: waus

This guy does a fair job until the end. He gives a list at the end of the article, the first item on the list is “Think for yourself”, and then he goes on to list a whole sh** load of stuff so you will think the way he does. Maybe he is a sociopath.


14 posted on 06/08/2012 12:45:46 AM PDT by calex59
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To: GOP Poet
He never would and continued a very long term 'friendship' with this man all along exposing his charismatic BS to his children.

Your friend suffers from cognitive dissonance. The pain of knowing he was wrong hurts more to his ego than saving his family. He's not evil, just weak. But he's doing (or did?) untold damage to his children, which he will never face, but he will answer for.

re obastard? It's not a question of narcissist versus sociopath. They're compatible.

15 posted on 06/08/2012 12:46:13 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: GOP Poet
By “face,” I mean acknowledge...
16 posted on 06/08/2012 12:49:39 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Finny

True ‘dat my Friend. True dat ;-D. My fundamental believe as well. Keeps it all pretty simple and straight forward. Not always easy (at least for this human) to act on but the clarity is pure.


17 posted on 06/08/2012 12:55:47 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: piytar
yes. Great and very accurate assessment. Ironically I often felt it was the perceived strength of the sociopath that drew my weak friend to him and ultimately kept the s. in his life.

I like your use of the word face. For the first time I got the image of face truly meaning to face ones' own face--in essence to look oneself in the eye.

18 posted on 06/08/2012 1:12:07 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Bobalu
The gifted ones are truly masters of psychology as well. I was very impressed initially with the true depth of knowledge this man had of all things that had to do with dynamics between people.

In essence he actively studied and searched out information on the smallest of details that people respond to when building attraction, friendship etc. That was just the study (and he was pretty young.) but he was deeply intuitive as well and this combined with the sociopathic nature and his high level intelligence made me feel I would not be surprised when he is older that he has amassed followers and taken them down a very destructive path.

Even his wife was starting to see chinks, but shut it up as they just had there first child together. But then again what sort of Christian marries and has babies with a self professed Satan worshipper? I personally am blessed to be out but still in retrospect find it bizarre to look back on when it comes to the ease of deception of some people. But then again deception is a sociopaths full time gig.

19 posted on 06/08/2012 1:22:16 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Finny

Truth is light, lies are darkness.


20 posted on 06/08/2012 1:30:23 AM PDT by gattaca (Great things can be accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit. Ronald Reagan)
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To: waus
Had to post this because it reminds me of a certain individual.

While you were at it, you should have entered the author's name instead of your own. (Mike Adams)

21 posted on 06/08/2012 1:52:28 AM PDT by Misterioso (The man who lets a leader prescribe his course is a wreck being towed to the scrap heap. - Ayn Rand)
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To: Misterioso

What is so funny is that this Adams fellow is probably a lefty owing to the general nature of the website where this is posted... But it is kind of spooky that most of those points seem to describe who we all think they describe.


22 posted on 06/08/2012 2:43:13 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: volunbeer

“This personality is even more dangerous when they hold grudges against certain people based on group identity or a chip on their shoulder based on their own perception of self and identity politics.”

Liberals in the workplace are hardwired for first-strike capability. Proceed with caution lest they try to make you look like “part of the problem”.


23 posted on 06/08/2012 2:56:50 AM PDT by equaviator
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To: volunbeer
you nailed it right on the head - my dear father is a narcissistic parent - raised by unloving parents, he holds grudges, always right, mis-percptions of what really happened, self centered to the exclusion of everything, lacking empathy, reactive with hostility to independence.....

he went as far as to name me a Jr - no self identity, major self esteem issues in youth.(Im 50 now)....

we have a large family business - I worked 21 yrs there, left in 05 for ministry / pastorate....long story short, I returned in '11 - the first words out of his mouth were "Youre off the Board and you'll be just like any other employee because you abandoned the company"

it got so bad with my sibs that my disabled sister - who is extremely normal by every measure, had her finances managed by them until the age of 40.....My mother actually cooked another sibs meals well after she was married (my sis is a Dr)....some real sick stuff and an inability to let the kid grow up emotionally..its all about control.its their god

It breaks my heart too ...one day last year I told him all us sibs would give up all the money for a relationship with him....he responded - "the most important thing is the business, then my wife (mom) and then you kids"

He is honestly dead to me at this point - not in vengeance, rather self preservation

24 posted on 06/08/2012 3:17:47 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: calex59
This guy does a fair job until the end. He gives a list at the end of the article, the first item on the list is “Think for yourself”, and then he goes on to list a whole sh** load of stuff so you will think the way he does. Maybe he is a sociopath.

LOL, glad to know I'm not the only one who contemplated that.

25 posted on 06/08/2012 3:33:37 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Revelation 911

Have you ever considered kicking his arrogant, narcissistic ASS? It might be the most loving thing you could ever do for the guy.

Just a thought.


26 posted on 06/08/2012 3:34:46 AM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: Finny

“I know that God is love. I figure that where truth is, God is, as well, and where lies are, God ain’t. “

Unfortunately, sociopaths know that people think this way and often claim God speaks to them and wants the sociopath to spread his words.

Disagree with the sociopath means disagreeing with God.


27 posted on 06/08/2012 3:36:24 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: waus
"they always have a little cult group following of spellbound worshippers who consider that particular sociopath to be a 'guru' or 'prophet.'"

Yes. I've had plenty of experience with these creeps.

They come in various versions.

Some are merely lazy and worthless.

The ones who are drawn to power present themselves as "saviors" and "unselfish" "public servants" who "want to give back," "rectify injustice," etc. When you hear this, make a mental note to rule out "sociopath".

The fools who worhip them are the real problem because they are the empowerers. The worshippers are characteristically fanatical. Fanatical loyalty of supporters is a big clue that you're dealing with a sociopath. The fanatical loyalty defies all logic.

History is full of woeful tales in which the "little cult group following" grew huge and took over nations and political parties.

28 posted on 06/08/2012 3:58:45 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Long may our land be bright with freedom's holy light.)
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To: GOP Poet

Narcissists and sociopaths share traits such as a lack of empathy, but the difference is in impulse control.

True sociopaths, like serial killers, cannot stop themselves from murdering.

Narcissists, on the other hand, tend to stay just above the law. They screw people over in every way imaginable, but just not far enough to get busted.

Bernie Madoff would possibly be an example of someone who crossed this line.


29 posted on 06/08/2012 4:02:45 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Bobalu

Some of them don’t function.


30 posted on 06/08/2012 4:03:17 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Long may our land be bright with freedom's holy light.)
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To: waus
RULES:

Barack-Obama-arrogance

GuiltyGuiltyGuilty

31 posted on 06/08/2012 4:22:03 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: GOP Poet
Even his wife was starting to see chinks, but shut it up as they just had there first child together.

OMG!
What a horrible thing to live through. To slowly come to realize that your husband/wife is so horribly broken.

32 posted on 06/08/2012 4:52:37 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Revelation 911

That my FRiend is a sad story.

I’m saying a prayer for you....


33 posted on 06/08/2012 4:59:53 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: max americana
Never once in 4 years did he called Odumbo by his actual name

I call the Community-Organizer-in-Chief by his right name about half the time. The same goes for his title, where 50% of the time I'll refer to him as "the former junior US Senator from Illinois", the highest title to which he is or ever will be entitled. Communists disgust me, and the fraud in our White House is at the upper end of the disgust scale.

34 posted on 06/08/2012 5:36:37 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: Bobalu

Sociopaths who are not found out right away are smart. the average sociopath raises the hair on the back of your neck if you are above average in intelligence.

Sociopaths are con artists supreme.

This raises a question I had, what kind of church allows a late-term abortionist to sit in the pews? The same kind of church that supported Hitler, I suppose.

A big problem today is that there are soooo many young people who believe it is okay to lie. As long as whatever is being done does not hurt anyone it is okay. So they don’t care if someone lies and it doesn’t hurt them.

And it’s only going to get worse.


35 posted on 06/08/2012 5:37:46 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: mkjessup
i'll let God handle it -

Its sooo bad (how bad is it) they actually have written their own eulogies

control control control- you and i know its an illusion

He's consumed with how others esteem him outside his family - Mercedes / porsche / club membership etc....

holow inside though.

His claim for removing me from the board was "ethics" - "its not appropriate to report to a non board member and sit on the board"

when it became apparent id be reporting to the ceo (my pal) - he dredged up the business abandonment grudge......

his "ethics" places book weekly during football season

His place - he can do what he wants......but it tells me all i need to know about our relationship

you should have seen him try and salvage Christmas ...pitiful- i skipped it entirely

36 posted on 06/08/2012 6:19:02 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: waus

Steve Jobs.


37 posted on 06/08/2012 6:26:15 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: calex59
This guy does a fair job until the end. He gives a list at the end of the article, the first item on the list is “Think for yourself”, and then he goes on to list a whole sh** load of stuff so you will think the way he does. Maybe he is a sociopath.

Ditto. Go a little further after the column and read his description of himself. How does that stack up against what he has written? Interesting --

38 posted on 06/08/2012 8:03:38 AM PDT by imardmd1 (To thine own self be true, hmm?)
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To: waus

Here's one. Stay away from it.

39 posted on 06/08/2012 8:12:45 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: waus

Everybody who voted for the Kenyan needs to be forced to read this article.


40 posted on 06/08/2012 8:36:53 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Misterioso

You’re going to be extremely busy pasting this same message to virtually every other post on this site.

If you’ll notice, the “by” refers to the person who creates the post.

So.......you better get busy.


41 posted on 06/08/2012 8:38:48 AM PDT by waus (FUBO UFCMF, Just in case I stuttered, FUBO)
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To: GOP Poet

“Even his wife was starting to see chinks”

What’s wrong with seeing chinks? That’s wacist!


42 posted on 06/08/2012 8:53:33 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

Hilarious! Dang I love a great alternative read (or shall we say another accurate read! haha.) Great sense of humor too goseminoles. That one will get me chuckling of and on all day. :)


43 posted on 06/08/2012 9:58:56 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Bobalu
OMG! What a horrible thing to live through. To slowly come to realize that your husband/wife is so horribly broken.

So true! Can you imagine and to just have had this man's child. THe good thing for her is she is one of those workaholics that is quickly flying up the ladder of success in her job (supporting him of course even when pregnant, nursing, and raising the child.)

The bad news is it allowed her to quickly defocus and weaken herself to his manipulation otherwise of how truly sick he is. Only--I am sure-- to wake up years from now to be royally reminded of what she shoved down.)

Of course he has a permanent paycheck in her and she has a very 'attractive' boy toy (even though they are similar in age) but oh what a sick and scary one he is. I pray for that child's soul.

Being a writer I find this stuff fascinatingly intriquing in its human dynamics but very sad, scary and real nonetheless.

44 posted on 06/08/2012 10:08:51 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: GOP Poet

My sister ran into a narcissist at her church, which was already on the way to changing into one of those “mega-churches”. She was so upset by the woman that she started reading books about narcissistic personalities. They say that almost every church encounters one at some time. Narcissists love organizations that they can control and impress with their superior knowledge and skills, like churches and PTOs.

My sister ended up leaving her church because no one would listen to her criticism of the woman. She lost a lot of friends over it, because what the narcissist was doing was also covering for the inadequacies and failings of the minister.


45 posted on 06/08/2012 10:24:25 AM PDT by Eva
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To: waus

Ok, I read the article and have a couple of comments.

First of all, not all sociopaths lead death cults.

Second- the writer recommends that people avoid working for big pharma?

The writer sounds a bit like a sociopath himself, though perhaps not a death cult leader.


46 posted on 06/08/2012 10:46:05 AM PDT by Eva
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First of all, not all sociopaths lead death cults.

Incorrect.

I, for example, am a sociopath and I lead a death cult.

Q.E.D.

47 posted on 06/08/2012 10:54:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Eva
First of all, not all sociopaths lead death cults.

Incorrect.

I, for example, am a sociopath and I lead a death cult.

Q.E.D.

48 posted on 06/08/2012 10:54:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: GOP Poet
The gifted ones are truly masters of psychology as well. I was very impressed initially with the true depth of knowledge this man had of all things that had to do with dynamics between people. In essence he actively studied and searched out information on the smallest of details that people respond to when building attraction, friendship etc. That was just the study (and he was pretty young.) but he was deeply intuitive as well and this combined with the sociopathic nature and his high level intelligence made me feel I would not be surprised when he is older that he has amassed followers and taken them down a very destructive path. Even his wife was starting to see chinks, but shut it up as they just had there first child together. But then again what sort of Christian marries and has babies with a self professed Satan worshipper? I personally am blessed to be out but still in retrospect find it bizarre to look back on when it comes to the ease of deception of some people. But then again deception is a sociopaths full time gig.

I'm sorry.

I'll never do it again.

Until next time.

49 posted on 06/08/2012 11:03:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yes, it’s a self-fulfilling philosophy, but what would you expect from a guy who authors a site called, “Naturalnews”.


50 posted on 06/08/2012 11:19:44 AM PDT by Eva
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