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I'll Have Another Scratched from Belmont
CNN ^ | 6/8/2012 | CNN

Posted on 06/08/2012 8:43:00 AM PDT by sportutegrl

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To: murron

Citation in 1948


51 posted on 06/08/2012 9:48:52 AM PDT by ponz7
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To: skimask

One word: Dominance


52 posted on 06/08/2012 9:49:37 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN 66-67)
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To: ponz7

Thank you.


53 posted on 06/08/2012 9:50:40 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: ILS21R

Mark Belling (Milwaukee talk radio and sometimes sub for Rush) is part owner of Went the Day Well who ran 4th in the Derby. I’ll be interested in hearing his take today.


54 posted on 06/08/2012 9:58:24 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Thank you Wisconsin!!!!)
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To: sportutegrl

I just heard. I am disappointed although not as much as the racing fan in my school who is considering buying a racehorse with a few friends. She was really psyched. (And all her bets have to be changed now.)


55 posted on 06/08/2012 10:35:21 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: sportutegrl

Total buzz-kill for the race tomorrow.


56 posted on 06/08/2012 10:46:55 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: ponz7
Secretariat was the greatest race horse that ever lived. He won the Derby, Preakness and Belmont in record time and the Belmont by 31 lengths. No horse has even come close to that performance. Get the movie—great story that you can watch over and over.

I have seen the movie and I agree it's good.

I hedged on calling Secretariat the greatest race horse, not to diminish the unquestioned greatness of Secretariat but because the greatness of some other horses needs to be considered. Also, the idea of "greatest" needs to be defined more carefully.

Best three-year-old? Secretariat would probably get my vote. He didn't run as an adult so it isn't known if he would have continued his dominance over his peers. Secretariat beat Forego as a three-year-old but Forego (after being gelded) went on to become an all-time great adult racer. Could Secretariat have done the same? Perhaps but we'll never know for sure.

Fastest ever? In a race against every horse that ever lived, you wouldn't catch me betting against Secretariat. However, he could be beaten. He was not undefeated when he ran in the TC races and he lost two races after winning the TC.

Success at stud? Secretariat was a disappointment in this regard. On the other hand, the descendants of Man o'War dominated stake racing for decades.

Reputation and cultural impact? Secretariat hasn't reached the levels of Man o'War for sure and probably not Citation. It seems that most ratings with credibility (i.e. done by horse racing people) have Man o'War rated above Secretariat.

All things considered, Secretariat could well be the greatest race horse of all time. Without question, Secretariat is in the top three.

57 posted on 06/08/2012 11:40:16 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: ComputerGuy
In one of those races he ran each quarter(?) faster than the one before. He was still gaining speed at the end, looks like.

And without a whip. Secretariat was a freak of nature with a 22 pound heart and the legs and will to match. Amazing.

I never was much of a horse racing fan as a kid. This race brought tears to my eyes. I knew I was seeing something special, an event the like of which I would not see again.

58 posted on 06/08/2012 12:30:24 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, but that was a match race, where the horses can never let up.


59 posted on 06/08/2012 3:04:14 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: freekitty

Shenanigans (dam) and Reviewer were both put down after breaking their legs.http://www.horsefix.com/pages/Famous%20Horses/famous-ruffian.htm


60 posted on 06/08/2012 3:09:54 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

The “Triple Crown” consists of three races; the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness and the Belmont Stakes. A horse has to win all three, in a row, in order to be a TC winner. Most horses race every 5-6 weeks in order to give them time to recover from the stress. There is only 2 weeks between the KDerby and the Preakness and only 3 weeks between the Preakness and the Belmont. Therefore, it’s asking a lot of a horse to win 3 races in 7 weeks against the best 3 year olds in the country. (All the horses competing have to be 3 years old.)


61 posted on 06/08/2012 3:18:01 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

I think they pretty much banned match races after that.


62 posted on 06/08/2012 3:25:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Amberdawn

I thought so. I just couldn’t remember.


63 posted on 06/08/2012 3:36:14 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ComputerGuy

Not only was his endurance amazing, so was his acceleration, as was demonstrated coming out of the first turn into the back stretch at the Preakness. One wonders what that horse could have done had he been pushed by real competition.


64 posted on 06/08/2012 3:51:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: MichaelP
I read something last week that stated that they would be suprised if I'll Have Another was going to win the triple crown......
There was supposed to be some sort of a jackpot that has accumulated since Secretariat and was supposed to be worth over 17 million....

Sorry I can't find the article but I know I read that
because I decided that there was no way I going to put that horse on the top of my bet.....
makes you wonder huh

65 posted on 06/08/2012 3:55:18 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: ComputerGuy

Not only was his endurance amazing, so was his acceleration, as was demonstrated coming out of the first turn into the back stretch at the Preakness. One wonders what that horse could have done had he been pushed by real competition.


66 posted on 06/08/2012 3:55:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: MichaelP
I read something last week that stated that they would be suprised if I'll Have Another was going to win the triple crown......
There was supposed to be some sort of a jackpot that has accumulated since Secretariat and was supposed to be worth over 17 million....

Sorry I can't find the article but I know I read that
because I decided that there was no way I going to put that horse on the top of my bet.....
makes you wonder huh

67 posted on 06/08/2012 3:56:43 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: sportutegrl

Ok, so can we end this antiquated “sport” now?


68 posted on 06/08/2012 4:07:04 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: Carry_Okie

Don’t overlook Zenyatta. Probably the best filly ever. She recently foaled too.


69 posted on 06/08/2012 4:19:13 PM PDT by 38special
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To: 38special
Don’t overlook Zenyatta. Probably the best filly ever.

I'm not, and probably true. When Zenyata takes out Secretariat's record at 1-5/8 miles on dirt while still taking short races like the Preakness, I'll gladly change my mind. Frankly, I don't think we ever saw what Secretariat could have done under truly competitive forces. That horse had more than even he knew.

70 posted on 06/08/2012 4:25:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t think it was a legal ban, just considered bad for horse racings image. With the rise of PETA, et al, you can imagine the disruptions.


71 posted on 06/08/2012 5:02:25 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: onedoug

What a shame. I was looking forward to watching a Triple Crown win tomorrow.


72 posted on 06/08/2012 6:14:57 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (Some minds are like soup in a poor restaurant...better left unstirred.-PG Wodehouse)
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To: stylecouncilor

I know. There was an earlier thread detailing the Racing Form’s details for tomorrow.

In other news, TCU 2, UCLA 1, top 3rd.


73 posted on 06/08/2012 7:07:57 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: dfwgator
After what happened to Ruffian all of those years ago, I could never really get into horse racing after that.

Neither could my mother.

ff (who was finishing 11th grade when Affirmed did his thing)

74 posted on 06/09/2012 5:42:42 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: CommerceComet
This situation reminds me of the situation with Spectatular Bid in 1979 when it was debated whether to run him in the Belmont or not due to injury. Although injured, it was decided to run him. He lost to some horses that he had already clearly established he could beat easily when healthy.

Bid stepped on a safety pin the morning of the Belmont. It was the day after my HS graduation.

This now 35-year (by next year) TC drought ought to be called the Safety Pin Jinx.

ff

75 posted on 06/10/2012 6:01:44 AM PDT by foreverfree
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