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Why the Campaign to Stop America's Obesity Crisis Keeps Failing
the daily beast ^ | May 7, 2012 | Gary Taubes

Posted on 06/08/2012 9:07:28 AM PDT by re_tail20

Most of my favorite factoids about obesity are historical ones, and they don’t make it into the new, four-part HBO documentary on the subject, The Weight of the Nation. Absent, for instance, is the fact that the very first childhood-obesity clinic in the United States was founded in the late 1930s at Columbia University by a young German physician, Hilde Bruch. As Bruch later told it, her inspiration was simple: she arrived in New York in 1934 and was “startled” by the number of fat kids she saw—“really fat ones, not only in clinics, but on the streets and subways, and in schools.”

What makes Bruch’s story relevant to the obesity problem today is that this was New York in the worst year of the Great Depression, an era of bread lines and soup kitchens, when 6 in 10 Americans were living in poverty. The conventional wisdom these days—promoted by government, obesity researchers, physicians, and probably your personal trainer as well—is that we get fat because we have too much to eat and not enough reasons to be physically active. But then why were the PC- and Big Mac–-deprived Depression-era kids fat? How can we blame the obesity epidemic on gluttony and sloth if we easily find epidemics of obesity throughout the past century in populations that barely had food to survive and had to work hard to earn it?

These seem like obvious questions to ask, but you won’t get the answers from the anti-obesity establishment, which this month has come together to unfold a major anti-fat effort, including The Weight of the Nation, which begins airing May 14 and “a nationwide community-based outreach campaign.” The project was created by a coalition among HBO and three key public-health institutions: the nonprofit Institute of Medicine, and two federal agencies...

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1 posted on 06/08/2012 9:07:42 AM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

Gary is a great.


2 posted on 06/08/2012 9:08:45 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Theoria

er..phantom ‘a’ there.


3 posted on 06/08/2012 9:09:22 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: re_tail20

The Germans had an anti-obesity campaign against the Jews at Dachau.

I think I will just stay fat.


4 posted on 06/08/2012 9:12:54 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: re_tail20

Stupid article. Actually using WWII era nazi culture as an example.


5 posted on 06/08/2012 9:15:09 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: re_tail20
Hmm... let's see, if government controls the health care in the nation, and they control the fuel supply in terms of high cost, and then the food supply, then they have their collective hands tight around the throat of the populace. A little national squeeze here or there and it will be funny how quickly people will fall into line with government coercion.
6 posted on 06/08/2012 9:18:12 AM PDT by Obadiah (2008: Hope & Change -- 2012: Fear & Destruction)
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To: re_tail20

Even he misses the point. It doesn’t matter what part of our diet is the “cause”, the reason all these programs fail is the same reason the WOD fails, people don’t give a crap. When the government tries to tell a whole bunch of people who are engaging in voluntary behavior to stop because it’s “bad” in general the people don’t listen. I dropped pounds because I wanted to, not because the government said anything, I didn’t like being fat so I stopped, it was a hard trip but it was worth it for me. For others, not so much. They’re eating food they like, doing activities they like, not doing activities they don’t like, and when the government starts bitching and moaning they change the channel.


7 posted on 06/08/2012 9:21:08 AM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: re_tail20
Obesity= basically calories in calories out and we as a nation are getting less physical excercise but this statement below is also a factor-

There is an alternative theory, one that has also been around for decades but that the establishment has largely ignored. This theory implicates specific foods—refined sugars and grains—because of their effect on the hormone insulin, which regulates fat accumulation.

Way too many processed foods in diets today.

8 posted on 06/08/2012 9:23:48 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: re_tail20

I don’t know why he’s demonizing the food pyramid - honestly, how many people structure their diets according to its dictates in the first place?


9 posted on 06/08/2012 9:26:02 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: re_tail20
Government. Food. Pyramid.

Try Paleo. That's our more natural diet.

10 posted on 06/08/2012 9:27:23 AM PDT by Gulf War One
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To: driftdiver
Stupid article. Actually using WWII era nazi culture as an example.

Your comment is mindbendingly stupid, since the article does no such thing.

Where did you get this insane idea?

11 posted on 06/08/2012 9:30:16 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: re_tail20

The pinheads are blaming Twinkies and soda for obesity the way they blame guns for crime. Murder and robbery is a sin, but so is sloth and gluttony. If they used an approach of personal responsibility and personal pride... but no, you can’t mix state and religion.


12 posted on 06/08/2012 9:32:17 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: driftdiver

I read his book, “Why we Get Fat” in December. Since then, I have lost 33 pounds following his advice, which is nicely outlined in the article. I did Weight Watchers for two years and didn’t lose a thing.


13 posted on 06/08/2012 9:32:17 AM PDT by lawdave
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To: re_tail20

The lowfat craze started in the 1980s and peaked in the 1990s. The experts told us to cut out meat and fat and eat lots of pasta, and grains and even sugar was OK. Just as long as it’s fat free. This lowfat campaign, “coincidentally”, happened at the same time as the explosion of obesity and diabetes took off.

Turned out the “experts” were all wrong.


14 posted on 06/08/2012 9:32:55 AM PDT by Signalman ( November, 2012-The End of an Error)
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To: re_tail20

Parents don’t parent anymore.

Mother’s don’t cook and prepare “healthy” family meals.

Kids are inactive, they have fewer siblings to play with, they’re playing with electronics, recess activities are so “safe” that they can’t be termed “activities”.


15 posted on 06/08/2012 9:34:47 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: discostu
Even he misses the point. It doesn’t matter what part of our diet is the “cause”, the reason all these programs fail is the same reason the WOD fails, people don’t give a crap. When the government tries to tell a whole bunch of people who are engaging in voluntary behavior to stop because it’s “bad” in general the people don’t listen. I dropped pounds because I wanted to, not because the government said anything, I didn’t like being fat so I stopped, it was a hard trip but it was worth it for me. For others, not so much. They’re eating food they like, doing activities they like, not doing activities they don’t like, and when the government starts bitching and moaning they change the channel.

This is 100% accurate. I am a p/t fitness trainer..never get on people(not my clients) at the gym about their weight or if they are doing something blatantly wrong. They just don't want to hear it. Not even worth bringing up. I encourage my clients but never brow beat them.

I can tell in 10 minutes or less if people are serious about losing their weight...they have to want to do it and listen to my advice. If they don't I walk away.

16 posted on 06/08/2012 9:35:25 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: wideawake

“in the late 1930s .... by a young German physician, Hilde Bruch”

DOH! bet you feel stupid


17 posted on 06/08/2012 9:36:01 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Actually using WWII era nazi culture as an example

I read the entire article and I did not see any reference to the Nazis. Without re-reading it, I know he referenced a German scientist who studied youth in 1930's era New York. Perhaps that is where you got got the Nazi culture reference.

18 posted on 06/08/2012 9:36:11 AM PDT by lawdave
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To: Signalman
The lowfat craze started in the 1980s and peaked in the 1990s. The experts told us to cut out meat and fat and eat lots of pasta, and grains and even sugar was OK. Just as long as it’s fat free. This lowfat campaign, “coincidentally”, happened at the same time as the explosion of obesity and diabetes took off. Turned out the “experts” were all wrong.

No, what happened was the food companies replaced fats with sugars to keep the taste and get people coming back for more but the sugars raised the fat level in people.

It generally is a good idea to be on a low fat diet but you do need good fats and good carbs in your diet every single day. People eat way too much of the bad fats.

19 posted on 06/08/2012 9:40:10 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: eclecticEel

It isn’t that many people follow the food pyramid. Instead, a lot of changes can be pinned to the thinking behind that pyramid. For example, McD’s fries used to by fried in lard — a healthy fat. Now, potatoes are fried in some kind of unhealthy “vegetable” oil. This was done, because the public perception was lard:bad vegetable oil:good, and they were pressured to make the switch.

This kind of thinking has resulted in the vast majority of calories consumed in the US being derived from soybean, wheat, and corn.


20 posted on 06/08/2012 9:42:04 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: trailhkr1

What is a “good carb?” All carbs contribute to your diet is energy in the form of glucose. Your body can also get energy from protein which will not trip the insulin switch resulting in fat.


21 posted on 06/08/2012 9:42:48 AM PDT by lawdave
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To: driftdiver
“in the late 1930s .... by a young German physician, Hilde Bruch”

Who was Hilde Bruch? She was a German-born research physician. She was also 100% Jewish. When the Nazis came to power in 1933, she was no longer allowed to have a job in her field, so she emigrated to London and from London to the USA.

All of her research and work in the field of obesity was conducted in the United States observing American subjects and patients.

DOH! bet you feel stupid

Not at all. But if I were the clown who accused a victim of the Nazis of being a Nazi, I would probably feel stupid - and also a little ashamed of myself.

22 posted on 06/08/2012 9:44:09 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: lawdave

See post 22.


23 posted on 06/08/2012 9:44:50 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: re_tail20
Another thing that is nonnegotiable to swallow the BS on the modern obesity problem: you must under no circumstance study crowd photographs taken before the first World War.

Before the rationing of the two world wars, sandwiching the great depression people ate well and a whole lot of them were fat. If you only have a mental picture, rather than inconvenient empirical evidence then you can imagine they were all fit and trim.

24 posted on 06/08/2012 9:46:19 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: wideawake

Ha Ha!. I based my response on a simple(and complete) reading of the article. You smacked him with facts. Good job.


25 posted on 06/08/2012 9:49:45 AM PDT by lawdave
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To: wideawake

Ha Ha!. I based my response on a simple(and complete) reading of the article. You smacked him with facts. Good job.


26 posted on 06/08/2012 9:50:07 AM PDT by lawdave
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To: lawdave

There’s nothing innately wrong with carbs, Atkins gave them a bad rap but the real “problem” we have with carbs in this country is the ones we eat generally are not in food that has anything of nutritional value in it and are consumed on the couch. Carbs that have proteins and vitamins and consumed in a period when you will burn the energy are perfectly fine. It’s the trail mix conundrum, trail mix tends to be lots of carbs but also lots of protein, if you eat the trail mix on the trail doing trail type stuff it’s perfectly healthy, if you eat it on the couch it gives you a fat ass (though at least you’re getting some protein so you’re doing better than doritos).


27 posted on 06/08/2012 9:50:53 AM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: MrEdd
Amish.

Seems like a simple method. Grow your own crops and gardens. Trade with or sell products to like minded persons.

Have a strong work ethic. Work outside, teach that to the younger generation, spend activities getting dirty, be around germs. Go to church.

28 posted on 06/08/2012 9:52:05 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: re_tail20

When you have Wookie Wide Load and Bloomy Pants running it; there’s your answer.


29 posted on 06/08/2012 9:55:52 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: re_tail20

Government intervention on this, and other personal issues, fail because the citizens say, very loudly, “Mind your own F’ing business!”


30 posted on 06/08/2012 9:57:09 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: lawdave
What is a “good carb?” All carbs contribute to your diet is energy in the form of glucose. Your body can also get energy from protein which will not trip the insulin switch resulting in fat.

Here it is in a nuthell. Carbs are good or bad based upon its response to insulin in the body. Bad carbs spike insulin then blood sugar plummets causing hunger low blood sugar, good carbs release insulin slowly which gives stable blood sugar and nice long steady energy.

Good carbs adequately and positively address 1) Insulin Balance and 2) Nutrition. Bad carbs cause your insulin levels to swing, and provide no nutrition. If given the choice, of course one should go with good (complex) carbs like oats, potatoes, etc

Also according to the Institute of Medicine, the brain needs at least 130 grams of carbohydrates per day in order to function properly.

GOOD CARBS:

Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Sweet Potato, Vegetables, Whole Grain Bread, Quinoa,

BAD CARBS:

White Bread, Any type of sugar, Syrup, Soda,

31 posted on 06/08/2012 9:57:38 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: discostu

Interesting point. I have been doing tae kwon do for 3 years. It is a very vigourous workout. At the same time, I was doing Weight Watchers. I lost maybe 5 pounds. I cut out carbs on January 3, 2012 and have lost 33 pounds. I think Taubes point is valid , that it is not simply an issue of “eat less, exercise more.” The chemical impact of what we eat on our bodies is important. The normal diet of American is heavily carbohydrate. Even Weight Watchers reduces fat but not carbs. The day’s calorie intake is reduced, but it is still proportinally high in carbs. That is why I wasn’t losing weight. Perhaps I am more Insulin sensitive or something but removing carbs has worked for me.


32 posted on 06/08/2012 9:59:45 AM PDT by lawdave
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To: wideawake

reading comprehension is key

I didnt call her a nazi.


33 posted on 06/08/2012 10:10:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: re_tail20
The latest clinical trials suggest that all of us would benefit from fewer (if any) sugars and fewer refined grains (bread, pasta) and starchy vegetables (potatoes). This was the conventional wisdom through the mid-1960s, and then we turned the grains and starches into heart-healthy diet foods and the USDA enshrined them in the base of its famous Food Guide Pyramid as the staples of our diet. That this shift coincides with the obesity epidemic is probably not a coincidence.

Come on - take the next step: Dr. Atkins was absolutely right, and Archer Daniels Midland bought off the government to say otherwise.

34 posted on 06/08/2012 10:11:53 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: lawdave; discostu
I cut out carbs on January 3, 2012 and have lost 33 pounds.

Good for you but don't cut out carbs or go low carb...

The general accepted rule of thumb is 40% protein, 40% good carbs and 20% good fats per day.

35 posted on 06/08/2012 10:15:53 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: lawdave

Everybody’s body is different, your metabolism is different, how efficiently you process different foods is different, how ready your body is to burn calories from your stored fat is different, what kind of exercise your body is most responsive to is different. Which is why all the programs should come with the old car commercial asterisk “your millage may vary”. A lot of people have a lot of success on WW, some their body just doesn’t handle things the way they structured things. It does seem to work better for women. That’s why my biggest piece of advice to people trying to drop pounds is “know who you are”, not only do you need to figure out how your body interacts with food and exercise, you gotta figure out how your brain does it. When I was constructing my “program” there were certain things I wasn’t willing to do, high on the list was beer, bread and greasy meats, I was willing to cut back on all of them but I wasn’t willing to give them up, I like them too much a life without them would be punishment, I refused to be punished for getting healthier. I’m also way too lazy to count stuff, points, carbs, calories, not happening. So I constructed a system with less of everything except fresh fruits and vegetables and exercise, burned off 70 pounds and have kept it off. Lots of portion control, lots of “no I had Lukes last week better get the salad”, lots of gym and trail time. You found the gap between you and WW, that’s perfect.


36 posted on 06/08/2012 10:17:38 AM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: re_tail20
I saw some of that crap on HBO, it pretty said that we should treat “big food” like we treat “big tobacco”. Which means nationalization of food.

However, I think we need more specific definition of what obese is rather than on a bmi number. I have been labeled as “obese” but I doubt any one who truly obese could do the workout I do every week.

37 posted on 06/08/2012 10:21:31 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: G Larry

Bingo!


38 posted on 06/08/2012 10:25:10 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: lawdave
Lawdave, another good thing to incorporate in your weight loss is a good weight training schedule 2-3 days per week.

The metabolic effect of an hour of cardio is 3-4 hours while an hour lifting hard is 8-10 hours.

Increased muscle increases testosterone. You will also find out once you lose your weight your testosterone will increase somewhat which will help keep the weight off as excess fat decreases testosterone production.

Cardio is very important for cardiovascular and joint health and you need to do it also and I try to do it 5-6 days per week.

39 posted on 06/08/2012 10:27:22 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: driftdiver
reading comprehension is key

The irony of this statement is breathtaking. Let's revisit it in just a moment.

I didnt call her a nazi.

Still digging, are we?

Your original complaint against the article, as per post 5, was that it was "actually using WWII nazi culture as an example."

When I pointed out how ridiculous this was, since the article did absolutely no such thing you responded in post 17 as follows: "in the late 1930s .... by a young German physician, Hilde Bruch” - as if this quote proved your original false accusation.

That's an interesting use of ellipsis, there. What did you leave out? Let's see: "in the late 1930s at Columbia University by a young German physician, Hilde Bruch”.

Now, since the article clearly states that the research took place at Columbia, yet you cite this quote as proof of a Nazi connection this can mean one of several things:

(1) That you were unaware that Columbia University is located in the US.

(2) That your reading comprehension is so poor that you didn't pay attention to where the research was done.

(3) That you automatically assumed that since the research was done by someone born in Germany, it was part of "nazi culture." Which in itself is poor reading comprehension.

The reality is that you read the article sloppily, and because you were sloppy you accused Hilde Bruch of being a Nazi, which she emphatically was not, and you implicitly accused Taubes of relying on Nazi research, which he clearly wasn't.

40 posted on 06/08/2012 10:27:40 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Yep, and your immediate response was to throw out personal insults.

go eat a gob of fat


41 posted on 06/08/2012 10:31:15 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: trailhkr1

Seriously, thanks for the input. I am doing the TKD twice a week. I have incorporated the “Couch to 5K” program into my routine also. I need to up my cardio endurance. I am planning on testing for my black belt in about 1 1/2 years and at 51(age now) I am really huffing and puffing. To go through that test I need to be in really good shape. I would like to add some weight training, but finding the time is difficult.Up to now “weight training” has consisted of lugging my fat $#s to the fridge.


42 posted on 06/08/2012 10:35:13 AM PDT by lawdave
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To: wideawake

You need a chill pill, dude.


43 posted on 06/08/2012 10:52:43 AM PDT by ladyrustic (Get in the face of a liberal, in honor of Breitbart.)
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To: lawdave

So his diet is basically meat, eggs, green leafy vegetables and no grains or sugars? No fruit? No dairy?


44 posted on 06/08/2012 11:12:52 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Bigg Red

According to him, fruits are very high in sugars because they have been hydridized to increase sweetness. So he limits them. Dairy has a sugar called Lactose. So he limits that as well.


45 posted on 06/08/2012 11:46:51 AM PDT by lawdave
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To: Theoria

Most of the older Amish ladies are overweight. Once the men retire, they are, as well. They have many of the very same health problems everyone else does, including heart disease. They also shop in Walmart and eat loads of sugar and white flour. At a summer lunch table, we were served plain iceberg lettuce as a salad.

We live amongst them and they are also some of my husband’s
massage clients.


46 posted on 06/08/2012 12:03:52 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

Thanks for the info. I don’t live near a community like that and my perception of them of course is distorted thru the media and other venues. My idea of some austere lifestyle with sprinkles of luddism is clearly wrong.


47 posted on 06/08/2012 12:21:22 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: lawdave
I find jumping rope and fartlek training to be extremely effective for cardio. Doesn't take much time, doesn't require much space.

Also bodyweight exercises (pushups, pullups, muscleups, dips, pistols) are just as good as weight training (unless you're very advanced and need to lift more than you weigh to advance) and require less equipment.

48 posted on 06/08/2012 12:37:20 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: lawdave

Okay. Thanks.


49 posted on 06/08/2012 12:50:42 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Theoria; reformedliberal
I live among the Amish as well-well I did when I was growing up. Was a "yodertoter" for several summers. Oh the funny stories I can tell.

Anyway, yes, the older Amish women are fat but also the younger women in their 30's and 40's are starting to be as well. I've noticed Amish women tend to have large, fat, flabby arms...even more so than the "English" ...must be genetic.

The younger men still are in fairly good hwp but have noticed them getting some gut's as well.

50 posted on 06/08/2012 12:55:10 PM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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