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Timothy Bradley wins split decision over Pacquiao....The Fix was in
ESPN.go.com ^ | 6/9/2012 | The Associated Press

Posted on 06/09/2012 11:04:47 PM PDT by Beave Meister

LAS VEGAS -- Timothy Bradley promised to shock, though the biggest shock in his fight with Manny Pacquiao came from the judges' scorecards.

In a fight Pacquiao seemed to have in hand, two judges decided otherwise, giving Bradley a split decision Saturday night and ending the Filipino fighter's remarkable seven-year unbeaten run.

Promoter Bob Arum fumed, the crowd at the MGM Grand arena booed, and Pacquiao seemed stunned when the decision was announced. Arum said there would be a November rematch, though he blasted the way the decision went down.

"I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous," Arum said.

Bradley came on strong in the later rounds, winning five of the last six rounds on two scorecards and four on the third. He won 115-113 on two scorecards, while losing on the third by the same margin. The Associated Press had Pacquiao winning 117-111.

"I did my best," Pacquiao said. "I guess my best wasn't good enough."

Pacquiao tried to turn the fight into a brawl, using his power to hurt Bradley in the early rounds. But Bradley changed tactics in the middle rounds and used his boxing skills to win enough rounds to take the narrow decision for the welterweight title.

"I thought I won the fight," Bradley said. "I didn't think he was as good as everyone says he was. I didn't feel his power."

Ringside punching statistics showed Pacquiao landing 253 punches to 159 for Bradley, who vowed before the fight to take the 147-pound title from Pacquiao. The Compubox statistics showed Pacquiao landing more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: boxing; bradley; corruption; duplicate; fraud; hbo; pacman; pacquiao; rematch
Everyone on HBO and everyone I watched the fight with had Pacquiao winning 11 out of 12 rounds. Bradley's own corner thought he lost this fight and lost it big. The fix was in for this one.
1 posted on 06/09/2012 11:05:05 PM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister
Probably because Manny Pacquiano recently made anti-gay marriage comments.

Link

2 posted on 06/09/2012 11:10:42 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: Beave Meister
Didn't Pacquiao recently speak out against gay marriage?

That'll teach him.

3 posted on 06/09/2012 11:15:27 PM PDT by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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To: Beave Meister; All
Well, hope it wasn't fixed. But, I used to love Pacquiao until the last election when he organized bus loads of minorities (buses he paid for) and got them all to the polls to vote for Harry Reid against Sharron Angle. From that moment on, I was through with little PacMan. Anybody else remember that?
4 posted on 06/09/2012 11:24:40 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: Washi

Didn’t Pacquiao recently speak out against gay marriage?
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Perhaps he did. But, so do Blacks, but they will still vote Democrat. See my Post #4 please.


5 posted on 06/09/2012 11:26:46 PM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Before the fight HBO had an annalist talk about the ref, who he said was a solid ref. Then he talks about the judges. The first judge he say is the dean of judges in Las Vegas and one of the best judges in the business. The second judge is a woman....and this guy rips into her as a real Amateur and how could they let someone like this judge a Championship fight. He thought the third judge was weak too. And how he couldn’t understand why they wouldn’t have the best judges there tonight for this fight. Now we know.


6 posted on 06/09/2012 11:30:00 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Beave Meister

The fix was in and here’s the proof: https://twitter.com/Timbradleyjr/status/207553002964398080/photo/1

That pic was posted last month. Bob Arum is one corrupt SOB and Keith Kizer (and by extension the NSAC) refuses to do anything about this corruption.


7 posted on 06/09/2012 11:31:56 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: ConservativeTeen

Unbelievable....It’s as if they didn’t even try to hide it.


8 posted on 06/10/2012 12:02:27 AM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Beave Meister

Not to blame PacMan, but this is why for certain fights one should always take the decision out of the hands of the judges. How? By knocking the other sucker out! While it may not always be possible (looking at the records of boxers like PacMan and Mayweather, even though many of their wins are by KO a number of them are still by decision) it is still the only way to 100% ensure the judges do not pull any funny act. It would be difficult for any judge to claim the guy dreaming of his granny’s pancakes on the floor is the winner.


9 posted on 06/10/2012 12:36:49 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Beave Meister

“Ringside punching statistics showed Pacquiao landing 253 punches to 159 for Bradley,” but Bradley won.

Um, no fix there... /sarc


10 posted on 06/10/2012 12:59:07 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: spetznaz; Beave Meister
Continuing my post 9 ...if there is ever a Mayweather/PacMan fight, the only option for BOTH would be to knock the other person out. A fight of that caliber, with all that will be riding on that fight (in terms of both money and game-politics), means that leaving that fight in the hands of the judges would be detrimental to both men. If the two ever fight the only option for both will be to do their best to leave the other drooling on the floor either unable to stand up or (better still) deep asleep. Anything else is a gamble. KO the person and there will be no argument about who won.
11 posted on 06/10/2012 1:50:03 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Beave Meister

I am going to make a lot of money on the rematch..

Pretty much says it all.


12 posted on 06/10/2012 3:29:08 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Beave Meister
I'm 59 and I can't remember a time when professional boxing wasn't fixed. I'm surprised there is anyone left willing to shell out for PPV...

Mike

13 posted on 06/10/2012 3:35:06 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Beave Meister

The NFL is on the defensive about concussions, and we are still talking about a sport whose very objective is to cause a concussion in the opponent???


14 posted on 06/10/2012 4:07:11 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: ConservativeTeen
The fix was in and here’s the proof:

From ESPN:

Pacquiao has a rematch clause in his contract, and the date was already determined to be Nov. 10 in the event of a rematch. Bradley even had a mock oversized ticket and mock poster printed to show off during the promotion to show people his confidence.

So much for your "proof"

15 posted on 06/10/2012 5:20:17 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Beave Meister
Floyd "Money" Mayweather must have paid a TON of money to make this happen.

Mayweather is a coward (jailed last month for domestic violence BTW) and will NOT risk his undefeated record by fighting Pacquiao. This "decision" puts off any possibility of the mega-fight by at least another year. Mayweather hopes to retire himself or Manny before ever allowing a Pacquiao fight.

Coward Mayweather has only had 4 fights since Christmas 2007, since he has been rated as one of the top 2 boxers in the world. Pacquiao, the other of the Top Two, has had 10, and it looks like he just scheduled #11 for NOV (a rematch with Bradley... so Floyd will have to spend more money to cheat Manny once again.)

16 posted on 06/10/2012 5:33:11 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: spetznaz

Manny didn’t want to hurt him after he’d taken him completely apart just as with Cotto and Margarito etc. KO theory, of course, makes sense when a fight is competitive but this was a jog the entire fight.

Bradley’s closest round in the fight was connecting one fewer than Manny - overwhelmingly the rounds were two to one in power connects. You couldn’t take LSD and come up with Bradley winning 7 rounds. I don’t like wrestling I don’t like UFC but I love boxing. As a fight fan that spends money on it over the years, they have me totally demoralized. The only thing that could get me over this is an investigation that shows a fix. If the best judges cant score a fight, it’s all over. I think I’m done with boxing now if this can happen to just to schedule a re-match. Taken in the same year as Mayweather punching Ortiz twice on the break on a fight he was actually losing - I mean what’s the point anymore ?


17 posted on 06/10/2012 6:54:26 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: Beave Meister

I have no desire to watch another PPV fight when this type of judging occurs. I don’t want to see loser given a win and a belt because judges are corrupt or just not paying attention. When will ESPN, HBO, and Showtime understand that they are in control, not the promoters, the sanctioning bodies, and not the boxing commissions. If the networks cleaned up boxing, eliminated the absurd tangle of alphabet soup titles by awarding their own belts, and forced the best to fight the best, they’d make far more money than they do now. If promoters balk, good, let them make a living off the gate, no airtime, no PPV, just the gate.

As for judging, I want consistency. The networks should have there own judges watching a feed remote from the venue, the same feed we the viewers watch. The judges would have a better view, the possibility of video review, they would not be influenced by the crowd, and they would make their decision based on what we, the viewers see.

If the commissions, promoters, and sanctioning bodies required their own judges ringside, the networks would not even report the results, and, based on what we’ve become accustomed to, that’s no loss either.


18 posted on 06/10/2012 8:16:24 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Beave Meister
Ringside punching statistics showed Pacquiao landing 253 punches to 159 for Bradley, who vowed before the fight to take the 147-pound title from Pacquiao. The Compubox statistics showed Pacquiao landing more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

And one judge had it 117-111 for Paq, versus two 113-115 against him. It was FIXED. Boxing fans should boycott the next fight and the next ....

19 posted on 06/10/2012 8:33:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I didn’t see any of the three judge’s score a 117 - 111 for anyone. Judge Jerry Roth had it 115-113 for Pacquiao, but C.J. Ross (the woman) and Duane Ford both scored it 115-113 for Bradley.

ESPN.com had it 119-109 for Pacquiao. HBO’s unofficial judge, Harold Lederman, also had it 119-109 for Pacquiao, meaning he gave Bradley only one round. Most ringside media also scored it clearly for Pacquiao.


20 posted on 06/10/2012 11:10:59 AM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Beave Meister
My mistake. I misread this sentence in the above article:

"The Associated Press had Pacquiao winning 117-111."

21 posted on 06/10/2012 11:26:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MichaelP

I work the phones for a major cable company in Texas. That’s all I did for the last 6 hours of my shift. People ordering PPV or people having trouble with PPV. There was not one single person that called in with anything else.


22 posted on 06/10/2012 1:58:22 PM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: major-pelham
Taken in the same year as Mayweather punching Ortiz twice on the break on a fight he was actually losing

I look forward to the day that Floyd Mayweather gets his foul mouth shut but that statement above is just wrong. While Ortiz had some moments, two of the three official scorecards had Mayweather pitching a shutout as did most ringside observers.

Mayweather did not technically hit Ortiz on a break. The referee had stopped the action to deduct a point from Ortiz for a head butt (the most blatant I've seen in years) and had ordered the fighters to fight. Ortiz, for whatever reason, didn't defend himself (and actually appeared to be trying to hug Mayweather). Mayweather did nothing wrong.

After that head butt, Ortiz would not have grounds to complain if Mayweather had pulled a gun from his trunks and shot Ortiz.

23 posted on 06/10/2012 3:56:15 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: Beave Meister
HBO’s unofficial judge, Harold Lederman, also had it 119-109 for Pacquiao, meaning he gave Bradley only one round. Most ringside media also scored it clearly for Pacquiao.

Most ringside media also have a vested interest in Pacquiao's remaining undefeated and fighting Mayweather. Boxing is a subjective sport which means things like what happened tonight can happen. A boxer with Pacquiao's experience knows that and should have made it so there was no doubt in anybody's mind, which he didn't do.

Remember that there are many people who believe the same thing that happened to Pacquiao via Bradly happened to Marquez via Pacquiao. This is probably why the person complaining the least about the decision is Manny.

24 posted on 06/10/2012 7:58:44 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: CommerceComet

Disgree - Mayweather who never gets hit got hit more in those few rounds than his last 10 bouts combined - he...was...going...to...lose. Anyway, you seem a good fight fan - there aren’t many of us left - and now even fewer after last Saturday night. Loving baseball, boxing and horse racing I’ve obviously become far too old for this day and age.


25 posted on 06/13/2012 2:26:25 PM PDT by major-pelham
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To: major-pelham
he...was...going...to...lose.

A wonderful thought but not the way I see it. If Mayweather hangs around, he will lose. If Pacquiao's shocking loss wakes him up, that might be it, provided they ever get into the ring. If Canelo Alvarez can put off the fight for a couple of years and avoid growing out of the weight class, he's the one that I'd put my money on to get the job done.

Anyway, you seem a good fight fan - there aren’t many of us left - and now even fewer after last Saturday night. Loving baseball, boxing and horse racing I’ve obviously become far too old for this day and age.

I've been a boxing fan, off and on, since the Ali-Frazier fight. A great time to get attracted to boxing - some great fighters in that era for those who suddenly realized that there were other weight classes as well. Great champions: Ali, Frazier, and Foreman (heavyweight), Bob Foster (light-heavy), Carlos Monzon (middleweight), Jose Napolez (welterweight), Eder Jofre (featherweight), Reuben Olivares (bantamweight) and the emergence of possibly the most exciting of them all, Roberto Duran (lightweight). Four or five of those guys are possibly the best their weight classes have ever seen.

I've been a baseball fan since the days of Mickey Mantle (hence my screen name). Back in the days before PEDs took over.

Horse racing had a tremendous run in the 1970s with Secretariat, Affirmed, Alydar, Seattle Slew, Spectacular Bid.

We are getting a little long in the tooth.

26 posted on 06/13/2012 3:29:46 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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