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(VANITY) Why did the left hate Senator Joe McCarthy?
June 10 2012 | me

Posted on 06/10/2012 6:04:18 PM PDT by moonshot925

He was correct about the Soviet atomic spies.

The whole focus of the Soviet atomic bomb program was to build a copy of the American "Fat Man" implosion device.

Klaus Fuchs, Theodore Hall, David Greenglass, Rosenbergs and the other spies provided all of the info on the bomb to the Soviets.

The first Soviet atomic bomb called "RDS-1", detonated on 29 August 1949 was an almost exact copy of the American "Fat Man".


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KEYWORDS: atomic; cold; mccarthy; war
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1 posted on 06/10/2012 6:04:27 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Simple. The left was and is a bunch of commies, and they did not like McCarthy pointing out their treason.


2 posted on 06/10/2012 6:05:53 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: kosciusko51

Period.

“Witness” by Whittaker Chambers. Required reading.


3 posted on 06/10/2012 6:08:25 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: moonshot925

He exposed the communist infiltration of our government...of course the left hated him. He was an honorable man that was destroyed by the left, but thankfully he got a few licks in. (In so doing he exposed Eisenhower for the RINO that he was)


4 posted on 06/10/2012 6:10:30 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: bonfire
"“Witness” by Whittaker Chambers. Required reading."

I'll second that!

5 posted on 06/10/2012 6:11:41 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: kosciusko51

This is what Theodore Hall said on CNN in 1998.

“I decided to give atomic secrets to the Russians because it seemed to me that it was important that there should be no monopoly, which could turn one nation into a menace and turn it loose on the world as ... as Nazi Germany developed. There seemed to be only one answer to what one should do. The right thing to do was to act to break the American monopoly.”


6 posted on 06/10/2012 6:12:18 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: bonfire
“Witness” by Whittaker Chambers. Required reading.

Yes, that book had a profound impact on my thinking. If I were to run a school it would be part of the required reading in US Hostory.

7 posted on 06/10/2012 6:12:40 PM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: moonshot925

Anyone who exposes the people who want to kill American has to go. It has been true since America was founded.


8 posted on 06/10/2012 6:14:10 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Romney - not Obama - not a Conservative - not a real Christian)
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To: gorush
There is NOTHING the left hates more than truth (please see tagline). And this man brought the unvarnished, pure truth to America and every single media outlet in the '50s (and up through today) worked in an unrelenting manner to smear his good name. Their hero, Edward R. Murrow, became famous by trashing McCarthy.

If he was full of it, they never would have closed ranks and gone nuclear on the guy as they did...my first clue.

9 posted on 06/10/2012 6:17:25 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: moonshot925

It seems that I remember this guy on some PBS program about homegrown atomic spies.


10 posted on 06/10/2012 6:18:34 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: moonshot925
Why do cockroaches hate light?
11 posted on 06/10/2012 6:18:45 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: moonshot925

National socialism was already discredited after the 1939-1945 war between the socialists. The left certainly could not have international socialism also discredited. The bigger the threat you are to the left as in a union family, female, attractive, well spoken, married to a minority VP candidate like Sarah Palin the more they see it necessary to destroy you. So naturally Joe McCarthy was hated as Palin is hated by the left.


12 posted on 06/10/2012 6:19:42 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: gorush

Eisenhower was not a RINO. He balanced the budget in 1956, 1957 and 1958. He startd the policy of “massive retaliation”. If the Soviets ever threatened us we would unload outr nuclear arsenal on them.


13 posted on 06/10/2012 6:21:19 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Because he OUTED them. They had their nice little plan to ‘transform’ American and they got nailed. They had to go back to drawing board and it took decades to recover.


14 posted on 06/10/2012 6:22:08 PM PDT by BobL
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To: moonshot925
They hated Nixon for exactly the same reason -- he understood that communists were a real threat inside this country. The Left didn't hate Nixon because of Watergate. The Left had been tryign to take Nixon down for about 25 years -- it just wasn't until Watergate that they were able to get it done.

Nixon and McCarthy: two American heroes.

15 posted on 06/10/2012 6:23:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: moonshot925

Eisenhower cut the feet from beneath McCarthy because McCarthy had focused upon a fellow general for fraudulent spending. Eisenhower’s loyalty to that general was a spineless act.


16 posted on 06/10/2012 6:24:59 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Exactly! And John and Bobby Kennedy were both big fans. Bobby even chose Joe McCarthy as Katherine’s Godfather...that’s Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. Ain’t life funny?!


17 posted on 06/10/2012 6:29:10 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: moonshot925
VANITY) Why did the left hate Senator Joe McCarthy?

That's easy.
Because he was right.

His suspects (the usual ones we still have today) were enemies of the country, overt communists and the sneaky ones, pretending to be activists. Traitors, every one.

All, directly or indirectly supported in spirit and in cash by the Soviet Union.

Read the "Venona" papers.

Also...

Blacklisted by History by M. Stanton Evans

18 posted on 06/10/2012 6:30:23 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: gorush

Marshall was diffrent from Eisenhower. Marshall was a bit of a pinko and good friend of Mao Zedong. Eisenhower knew of the threat of communism. That is why he ramped up military spending and CIA intelligence operations.


19 posted on 06/10/2012 6:33:39 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
We knew there was a spy in the Manhattan program who was working for Japan. The Army set about baiting him ~ which I don't really need to go into. He fled before we could catch him.

How we found our about that spy is far more interesting. Victor Sorge, who'd penetrated the Manhattan program himself on behalf of Joe Stalin, reported that fact back to the Kremlin.

Apparently Stalin himself reported that there was a spy in the program working for Japan ~ and that's when all hades broke loose ~ because for the Soviets to tell us about the spy for Japan they were also telling us they'd penetrated the program to build "the Bomb"!

Stalin had an interest in the successful completion of "the Bomb" ~ just in case the Red Army faltered, or Hitler came up with advanced weapons.

He also had an interest in "the Bomb" itself ~ he wanted one, or a dozen.

The Leftwingtards who thought the spies were doing well by sending our secrets to Stalin tended to justify that with the "no nation should have a monopoly on something that powerful". They had no idea that Stalin had, for all practical purposes, partnered with us in building "the Bomb".

He probably should have pulled his spies and taken them to Moscow to safety as soon as everyone realized we had TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF BOMBS, were working on a fission fusion device and there were plenty of unemployed Germans around who could be picked up to complete the Soviet's own atom bomb program later.

Well, Stalin was not a nice guy so he let his spies hang (or fry), got the German engineers anyway, and set off his own test bombs.

The Left, as is usually the case, is stupid. Most of them simply cannot detect evil and imagine the good guys are plotting against them.

Being a Leftwingtard is to have a serious mental illness that degrades your ability to make judgments and can get you killed.

20 posted on 06/10/2012 6:37:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: moonshot925

“When you’re catching flak that means you are over the target.”


21 posted on 06/10/2012 6:40:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: moonshot925

Ike is my second-favorite President behind Reagan. Pretty good General, too.


22 posted on 06/10/2012 6:41:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: publius911

This KGB letter is very interesting.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Voprosy2.html


23 posted on 06/10/2012 6:43:31 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: jtal

Mine as well. Read it 3-4 years ago and think about what he wrote every darn day.


24 posted on 06/10/2012 6:44:17 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: moonshot925

They hate him because,as was the case with Nixon vs Hiss,McCarthy was on the right track on the subject of Commie infiltration of the US Government...an infiltration that continues to this day.


25 posted on 06/10/2012 6:46:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: moonshot925
Ask most Americans what McCarthy did and they will tell you that he blacklisted Hollywood movie stars. Of course McCarthy was a Senator and the hearings concerning Hollywood took place in the House, but the media has been complicit in allowing this false correlation to be common, even encouraging it. The word McCarthy is used as a verb, adjective and noun to describe someone really evil and unfair. We FReepers are far more informed than most.

Young Americans have been led to believe that communism wasn't all that bad. They have no idea about the spread of communism and the Soviets determination to dominate the world.

26 posted on 06/10/2012 6:46:47 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: kosciusko51

>>>Simple. The left was and is a bunch of commies, and they did not like McCarthy pointing out their treason.>>>

And they’re still claiming today that he was wrong. No lie is too big for the leftists.


27 posted on 06/10/2012 6:48:27 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama, ROPE and CHAINS.)
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To: moonshot925

“Eisenhower was not a RINO. He balanced the budget in 1956, 1957 and 1958. He startd the policy of “massive retaliation”. If the Soviets ever threatened us we would unload outr nuclear arsenal on them.”

He also had serious flaws, like selling out the Hungarian freedom fighters.


28 posted on 06/10/2012 6:48:43 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: moonshot925

bfl


29 posted on 06/10/2012 6:50:15 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: moonshot925

Because the Left is a bunch of communists. McCarthy had the guts to call a spade a spade and the Left doesn’t like to hear the truth about themselves. They prefer to hide behind labels like “compassionate” and “pro-democracy” as they subvert the United States.


30 posted on 06/10/2012 6:54:00 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: moonshot925
"why".. you asked.
three simple words...
The truth hurts.
Whitaker Chamber's Witness
great truthful book.

31 posted on 06/10/2012 6:54:53 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: moonshot925

McCarthy was completely vindicated by the Venona Papers (in the Library of Congress, I believe). He was right. We WERE infiltrated.


32 posted on 06/10/2012 6:55:15 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: ScottfromNJ

“He also had serious flaws, like selling out the Hungarian freedom fighters.”

What should he have done? Started WW3?


33 posted on 06/10/2012 6:56:01 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
Interesting quote, especially compared to what Wernher von Braun said on why he and his colleagues surrendered to American:

"We knew that we had created a new means of warfare, and the question as to what nation, to what victorious nation we were willing to entrust this brainchild of ours was a moral decision more than anything else. We wanted to see the world spared another conflict such as Germany had just been through, and we felt that only by surrendering such a weapon to people who are guided by the Bible could such an assurance to the world be best secured."

34 posted on 06/10/2012 6:59:56 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: moonshot925
Interesting quote, especially compared to what Wernher von Braun said on why he and his colleagues surrendered to America:

"We knew that we had created a new means of warfare, and the question as to what nation, to what victorious nation we were willing to entrust this brainchild of ours was a moral decision more than anything else. We wanted to see the world spared another conflict such as Germany had just been through, and we felt that only by surrendering such a weapon to people who are guided by the Bible could such an assurance to the world be best secured."

35 posted on 06/10/2012 7:00:23 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: moonshot925

I never understood why McCarthy was so hated but his henchman Bobby Kennedy was so loved.


36 posted on 06/10/2012 7:03:56 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: moonshot925

I never understood why McCarthy was so hated but his henchman Bobby Kennedy was so loved.


37 posted on 06/10/2012 7:04:17 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: moonshot925

Still, he took the easy path of dissing McCarthy and I’ll never forgive him for that.


38 posted on 06/10/2012 7:07:31 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: moonshot925

“What should he have done? Started WW3?”

In 1956 with the Soviets at a huge numerical disadvantage in strategic forces?

How about him not forcing the German government to deny fuel to the aircraft the resistance wanted to use to bring supplies to the freedom fighters, supplies that the anti-communist forces were counting on to sustain their revolt and promised by Eisenhower, sticking their necks out in expectation of that support.

His arm twisting of the German government to deny that support cost the lives of at least 50,000 freedom fighters who were slaughtered in Budapest.


39 posted on 06/10/2012 7:54:20 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: moonshot925

[ Eisenhower was not a RINO ]

Ike appointed the bastard William Brennan to the Supreme Court...

Was be Stupid or a RINO?...
Some say it depends on the day of the week..


40 posted on 06/10/2012 8:13:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: moonshot925

tagged


41 posted on 06/10/2012 8:20:37 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: bonfire
“Witness” by Whittaker Chambers. Required reading.

No American kid should graduate high school or college without reading this book -- which is exactly why so few actually do. The Marxists who run our government schools make sure that book never gets near a "required" reading list.

McCarthy was lynched by the same Communist mob in politics and media because he came dangerously close to alerting the American public to the truth. I saw exactly the same thing happen to author W. Cleon Skousen after his book "The Naked Communist" was published when he was police chief in Salt Lake City in 1958. That's the book that included the list of Communist Goals we're all familiar with around here. We all know Skousen was telling the truth too.

42 posted on 06/10/2012 8:45:33 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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“In 1956 with the Soviets at a huge numerical disadvantage in strategic forces?”

In 1956 the USA had 2,123 strategic warheads deployed on 1,470 strategic bombers.

In 1956 the USSR had 120 strategic warheads deployed on 40 strategic bombers.

Should Ike have bombed the crap out of the USSR???


43 posted on 06/10/2012 9:00:50 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Because they love their fellow comrades.


44 posted on 06/10/2012 11:13:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: moonshot925

He was a RINO, and worse. He refused to listen to warnings from his own ambassador that Castro was a communist. Cuba fell to Communism on his watch.


45 posted on 06/11/2012 12:20:52 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: moonshot925

No, Ike was an imbecile about communism and helped bring Castro to power


46 posted on 06/11/2012 12:24:38 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: bonfire
“Witness” by Whittaker Chambers. Required reading.

"Retreat From Victory" by Senator Joseph McCarthy. A must read but hard to find (try B&N or Amazon used books sections) well worth the effort. Focus on General Marshal and the US shenanigans during the Chinese revolutionary war that gave Mao his killing fields.

Regards,
GtG

47 posted on 06/11/2012 1:49:05 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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“Should Ike have bombed the crap out of the USSR???”

I think you’re missing the point. At least allow the freedom fighters to do their thing without interfering with their supply lines.


48 posted on 06/11/2012 4:12:07 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: moonshot925

Whatever happened to those lists of his that he waved around in front of the Senate?


49 posted on 06/11/2012 7:09:09 AM PDT by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: moonshot925

I think that the Rosenberg case is the entry into a deeply jewish story; One that tracks very closely to the story of Joseph going down to Egypt in the bible.

While stalin was deeply anti semetic, his secret police from the 20’s -40’s was 30+% jewish and russian jews were second only in numbers to russians in the soviet communist party and politburo.

Stalin planned to rectify that with the Doctor’s Plot purge in 1953. (He began to distrust the loyalty of russian jews as he feared that israeli and american jews would team up with russian jews to overturn russian sovereignty—a fear not too dissimilar to modern day Iran—except that the iranians have already pushed out their own Jews.)The camps had already been built, the initial hundred or so jewish plotters had already been killed, russia’s newspapers were baying for jewish blood when stalin died.

In the USA communism was all rage during the 20’s and 30’s in US colleges where many of the recruits for russia’s spy network were recruited through the communist party. (similar things are happening today with the chinese—but not through communist party connections.) Communism was seen as a way up in life for many jewish leftists.

The US counter intelligence cracked the Russian code in 1945. (Just as earlier the German and Japanese codes had been broken.) The Russians had spies even in US counter intelligence so the Russians learned that their codes had been compromised in 1948—and changed them. The numbers of spies in the US government that were deciphered by the venona cables were roughly similar to the number proposed by McCarthy.

The US counter intelligence informed the FBI in 1948 about the the russian spies but told the FBI that they had to find their own evidence against the spies that the venona transcripts identified. In most cases the FBI was unable to do so. When the first several arrests were made in 1948, most of the spies fled the country or simply stepped out of government—so they stopped leaving an evidence trail.

This troubled J Edgar Hoover. So he began weekly talks with Joseph McCarthy that corresponded almost to the day with McCarthy hearings. The problem that J Edgar Hoover presented to McCarthy was the same problem that the NSA presented to the FBI. The NSA fingered the spies but told the FBI they had to find their own evidence. Hoover talked of communists but required of McCarthy that he provide his own evidence. McCarthy could not come up with the evidence in most cases but the kinds of questions that he asked are standard questions that anyone has to answer if they are to get a security clearance today. That is, in the 40’s no security clearances were required to do top secret work.

The the Rosenbergs were among the few communist spies that were nabbed and the only ones executed in 1953. The communists mindful of events in the soviet union and knowledgeable of how stalin worked in the 30’s—took McCarthy’s hearings as a show trial and the rosenburg execution as the preliminary killing to a massive purg/pogrom/holocaust of jews as stalin was set up to do.

Therefor the communists painted the death of the Rosenbergs was an existential threat to the american jewish community. which to american jews made tribal enemies of everyone in america who was not a leftist.

why does the russian jewish experience track so well with the story of Joseph? well remember that joseph interpreted the pharoah’s dream about the seven fat cows and seven skinny cows and how that signaled 7 years of fortune and 7 years of famine. so the pharaoh put joseph in charge of the country. joseph filled the graineries in the seven fat years. but the egyptian people did not store up any grain. so when the 7 famine years came the egyptians first sold their land to the pharoah, then they sold their animals and then they sold themselves as slaves to the pharoah.

The important thing to understand here is that the relationship of the egyptians to the pharoah was the same as the russians relationship to stalin. neither owned property. both worshiped the the god king.(in God’s economy—when you ban God —not nothing is placed on the throne of Grace—no not that. Rather Man is placed on the throne of Grace. Men are elevated to gods as happened with pharoah and stalin. Even the burial ceremonies ceremonies of egypt and the soviet union were even similar. finally in both russia and egypt the god king was served by a jewish administrative class.

the downfall of the jews in egypt and russia is also similar. genesis ends with a cecil b demille fade to black. exodus begins with “and then came a pharoah who did not know joseph” and the tables were turned on the joseph’s people. they were made slaves by the Egyptians. Moses then took them out of egypt back to israel

The russian’s did not carry out Stalin’s doctor’s plot pogrom. However, they remembered. When it became clear that communism would not work in the 1970’s, russia’s jews took the blame. they were driven out of the communist party and
then driven out of the country. many of them went to israel. many were brought out of Russia by the great anti communist Meir Kahane—who was killed by a moslem in 1990 in new york. Why? Well that’s another story but you could also say the times were changing or the worm turned.

In an acknowledgement of the changing times I read a jersusalem post writer a couple years ago talk about a visit he made to Germany. He understood the role that russian jews played in Stalin’s great purges that killed millions. So he wanted to go to Germany to say let’s let bygones by bygones. But he said the Germans just wouldn’t hear of it. They felt their guilt and debt was eternal and unforgivable.

Given the way the USA is unraveling in the face moslem mexican and chinese onslaughts. it might be helpful to get this story right.


50 posted on 06/11/2012 7:26:37 AM PDT by ckilmer
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