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Posted on 06/12/2012 2:57:35 PM PDT by saminfl

I have a new Dell desktop with Windows 7 operating system. There are certain features about that system i hate, such as Windows Live mail. Can I install the hard drive from my old Dell Desktop with XP Professional into a vacant slot and boot from that when i want to?


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To: saminfl

If the old drive is SATA you could do it but things could get ugly. It won’t have drivers for any of the new stuff, which probably includes the network adapter, which makes it difficult to get the drivers. Just turn off the stuff you don’t like, with the search that’s in 7 finding things and killing them is easier than ever.


21 posted on 06/12/2012 3:58:48 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: saminfl

Find another mail client..try Thunderbird mail.


22 posted on 06/12/2012 4:13:37 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: saminfl

“Can I install the hard drive from my old Dell Desktop with XP Professional into a vacant slot and boot from that when i want to?’

You could probably put your windows XP on a thumb drive and boot off of that.


23 posted on 06/12/2012 4:14:10 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: CedarDave
PING for the Tech list..

Speaking of computers and Tech help, I wonder if it'd be possible to have a computer help forum---or maybe we do and I just haven't seen it?

24 posted on 06/12/2012 4:14:24 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: discostu

Exactly. XP is obsolete and I’m sure this guy has a SATA drive. Just get rid of Windows Live Mail.


25 posted on 06/12/2012 4:17:24 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: saminfl
Take a real leap and try linux, maybe "Fedora"
26 posted on 06/12/2012 4:22:45 PM PDT by st.eqed
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To: saminfl

You can’t just put the drive from one computer into another and have it boot from that because of the differences in motherboards, chip sets, drivers, etc. unless the systems are totally identical. You could put it in and access the data on it as a secondary drive, though.


27 posted on 06/12/2012 4:31:05 PM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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To: saminfl
I struggled with bloatware on Windows systems for years when I bought a MacBook Pro just over a year ago. The system came completely clean and I got to only add what I wanted. As a result, the computer is still lightning fast and runs incredibly fast with zero bloatware.

I downloaded an application I wasn't too crazy about and when I moved the icon to the trash can, it disappeared without a trace leaving zero remnants behind.

I know I sound like an Apple fanboy but there you go. This is my experience with my first Apple system.

28 posted on 06/12/2012 4:41:11 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: CA Conservative; saminfl
Not necessarily. While it is possible to set up a system to boot from alternate boot devices, the problem is going to be the drivers. I am sure there will be different hardware in the new system than was in the old system - just how different will determine if you will be successful.

Well, the drive will be the same, it will be the same O/S and same drive that ran fine on the old machine. What are the other basics - keyboard, mouse, video. Should be fine, IMHO.

If video looks ugly, use XP Control Panel, Display to select the right settings (kick the soda machine till it works).

IMHO, XP was always fine for me with it figuring out hardware on it's own or with a little tweak. I never had a monitor that was so odd that it needed special drivers downloaded under XP.

If the video is still a problem - take the old card out of the old machine, install it in the new one. Plug the old monitor into it. Now you've got the same video hardware on the new machine.

I lost track of Windows a while back, I'm just on CentOS now. Industrial strength, same simpleton "windowsy" look and feel, and free. OpenOffice gives me access to all the Word docs, Excel sheets, etc. Blows the doors off of messing with M$. And I can search around, do a little homework and figure out how to turn off and uninstall unnecessary services and other software, and turn off cookies, etc., in Mozilla/Firefox, so the dang machine IGNORES any and all hack attempts as long as I don't open any unknown emails. Evolution works fine for email. IMHO...
29 posted on 06/12/2012 4:42:57 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: astyanax; saminfl
Adding a hard drive from another machine is a bit trickier.

Dual booting with 2 physical drives sitting in the same PC, is I think what he's talking about. I've done it with CentOS and XP. one physical drive is XP, one physical drive is CentOS.

At startup, the PCs BIOS prompts you for which physical drive you want to boot from.

Whichever drive you booted from, that's the O/S that's running. The other drive just sat there spinning, uselessly. XP could not understand the CentOS drive. CentOS could have enabled me to do stuff with the XP drive but I did not want to.
30 posted on 06/12/2012 4:50:00 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: CedarDave
While there is so much tech genius visiting this thread, may I ask a laptop question? ...

I have a Toshiba laptop that I really used a lot. Unfortunately the slot into which the hard drive slit broke and now the hard drive will not make full contact with the slot tabs. I tried to use an external that has a UBS cable but the laptop will not boot from the USB port. Is it possible to solder a new slot onto the laptop in the pocket or does t require a whole new mother board? Blasted Toshiba set up seems to have this weak point where the hard drives are connected to their motherboards ...

31 posted on 06/12/2012 5:17:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

“Yes.

When the machine first starts after a boot, you’ll see some sort of Dell screen and somewhere on it you’ll which which function key (F1, F2, etc.) you need to press at that point (before it starts booting windows off the hard drive) in order to go into Setup mode. (something like F12=Setup).”

That will let him physically boot off the drive, but the drivers installed on that copy of Windows will all be for the old machine. It almost certainly won’t work. If it (by some miracle) manages to boot, there will be no telling regarding crashes and corrupted data.


32 posted on 06/12/2012 5:20:16 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PieterCasparzen; saminfl

I think it’s much easier than what Pieter said. Newer Dell computers all have a boot selection ability built-in to the BIOS (I believe it is the F12 Key, labeled “Selective Startup” or something of that nature. Just press that during Startup, I believe you need to do it at the time the “Dell” screen displays, but before the Windows logon screen appears. Then, it will allow you to select the drive you want to boot from, overriding the default boot option on a one-time basis without editing the regular BIOS settings.

I know for certain you can use this to tell it to boot from a CD or a floppy, but I have not actually tried it to boot from a second hard drive with its own boot sector, but I think it should work just fine.


33 posted on 06/12/2012 5:47:15 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: bamagirl1944

Hmmm, I don’t think it would be as difficult as you think. I just did a clean Windows install on a Dell, and it boots up fine without the chipset, video, etc drivers installed. You install all of those from the resource CD after you boot to Windows. Until then, it operated on default drivers included in Windows. I’d imagine it would be a similar operation with the old HD, but he might have to boot the old drive in safe mode the first time in order to get the default drivers to function instead of the ones from his old system.

Of course, he will need to make sure the drivers on his resource CD include the XP drivers. Dell resource CD’s usually have drivers for multiple similar models included on the same disk, so they might include drivers for legacy OS’s as well, but I can’t say for certain.


34 posted on 06/12/2012 5:58:42 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: astyanax

Luckily, you usually can make a bootable installation CD from a machine where XP is already loaded:

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/createwindowssetupdisk.shtml


35 posted on 06/12/2012 6:01:24 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: MHGinTN

I’m sure it’s “possible”, after all, someone soldered those parts to the motherboard in the first place. Whether it’s something advisable to try on your own is another matter.

But, look at it this way. You’ve got a pretty much useless computer sitting there. At worst, if you try to replace the slot and screw up and damage the motherboard, you will just have to replace the motherboard anyway. You’d only be out the cost of the spare slot. At best, you succeed and save the price of the new motherboard.


36 posted on 06/12/2012 6:06:58 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: PreciousLiberty; saminfl

Many folks seem to think that XP won’t detect new hardware an allow reconfiguration as necessary. Knowing M$ there may be some problem or another. I’m no windows expert.

I was working with a new drive that was a clean install; the old drive was still in the original machine, where you’re asking about putting the old drive in a new machine.

To be safe, you of course need backup copies of everything you want off your old XP drive first. I would always test the backups prior to trusting them and make at least two. Both new and old machines are Dell. I’m curious if the network would work.

Then you need a clean XP bootable install on media that the new machine can handle (DVD, etc.) (I’d boot from it to make sure the install starts ok, then reboot before I got too far).

As far as video drivers, I’m assuming you can get it to use the standard VGA driver and that your hardware will support that. XP is a little over 10 years old - is your old machine older than that ?

If you have good backups, and your new XP install media, you could attempt sticking the old drive in the new machine and booting from it.

If that fails too badly to continue, and you can’t get it set up nicely, you could install XP fresh over top of the old drive then copy your files from your backup onto the new XP install.


37 posted on 06/12/2012 6:29:53 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: saminfl
I have a new Dell desktop with Windows 7 operating system.


38 posted on 06/12/2012 7:53:53 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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39 posted on 06/13/2012 4:18:58 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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40 posted on 06/13/2012 4:19:19 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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