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Euro 2012: Football fans in Warsaw clash (Russia - Poland match)
BBC ^ | 12 June 2012 | Alex Capstick

Posted on 06/12/2012 11:40:18 PM PDT by Cronos

A march ahead of the match by thousands of Russian fans to mark their national day had to be halted and some missiles were thrown.

Police say they arrested at least 120 people and that 10 people were injured.

A heavy police presence was in evidence around the stadium after the match as further clashes broke out.

... Controversial history
Russia annexed most of Poland in the 19th Century and ruled it for more than 100 years. The Soviet Union dominated it during the Cold War, after World War II.

The conservative Polish opposition condemned the march as a provocation, but it was approved by the authorities.

The Russian national holiday marks Russia's declaration of sovereignty in 1990 - a key episode in the demise of the Soviet Union.

Polish media highlighted fears that some Russian fans may sport Soviet flags and symbols - a highly sensitive issue for the many Poles who deplored communist rule.

Polish media highlighted fears that some Russian fans may sport Soviet flags and symbols - a highly sensitive issue for the many Poles who deplored communist rule.

European football's governing body Uefa has opened disciplinary proceedings against Russia after a series of incidents involving the country's fans at Euro 2012.

Anti-racist monitors at the match said a section of the crowd racially abused the Czech Republic's only black player, Theodor Gebre Selassie....

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: football; poland; russia; soccer
the Russian march WAS provocative (I'm in Warsaw and was at the Strefa Kibiców (Fan-zone) yesterday) and on Nowy Świat. Didn't see any of the violence, but it was pretty minor -- no injuries, just bruises and the police cracked down quick and hard

the Russian fans were waving Russian Tsarist flags -- a pretty obvious provocation. And some kibicy were chanting "raz sierpem, raz młotem czerwoną hołotę" -- "a sickle,a hammer red" The march should never have been allowed.

But it was really not as big as portrayed -- the Polish fans were peaceful by and large and the atmosphere at the centre (Centrum) and the main streets in the heart of the older part of town (Nowy Świat) was festival like -- a sea of red-white (the Polish national colors) and the fans were delirious with joy when the Poles drew with the Russians.

1 posted on 06/12/2012 11:40:26 PM PDT by Cronos
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Note --> 4 July is also the 402nd anniversary of the Polish-Lithuanian defeat of Muscowy when they conquered and entered the city of Moscow. Tsar Vasily IV was ousted by the boyars and Żółkiewski entered Moscow with little opposition.[1] Boyars then proclaimed as the new Tsar of Muscovy the Polish prince of the Commonwealth Władysław IV Waza
2 posted on 06/13/2012 12:04:19 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

I was watching some younger guys play the soccer video game. Pretty amazing how life-like it is, announcers commenting on the plays, crowd noise, etc.

I asked if they ever show any of the rioting after the game. Glad it wasn’t too bad - just the “yutes” draining off some excess adrenalin. Sounds like a great match.


3 posted on 06/13/2012 12:04:49 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Cronos

Russian fans arrive under heavy security prior to the Euro 2012 soccer championship Group A match between Poland and Russia in Warsaw, Poland, Tuesday, June 12, 2012.


Polish soccer fans shout at Russian supporters as they walk protected by Polish riot police in Warsaw June 12, 2012. Russia on Tuesday will play Poland in their Euro 2012 Group A soccer tournament in Warsaw. REUTERS


Polish football fans beat a Russian football fan during clashes in Warsaw. Police used tear gas and water cannon against brawling football fans in Warsaw on Tuesday as Poland geared up to play old foe Russia in a key Euro 2012 duel. AFP


A handcuffed Polish fan lies flat on the street prior to the Euro 2012 soccer championship Group A match between Poland and Russia in Warsaw, Poland, Tuesday, June 12, 2012. Russian soccer fans clashed with police and Poland supporters in separate incidents in Warsaw on Tuesday, just hours before the two teams were to meet in an emotionally charged European Championship match. Several people were injured. AP


A Polish soccer shows a wound from a rubber bullet during clashes with police and Russian fans in Warsaw, June 12, 2012. Russia on Tuesday will play Poland in their Euro 2012 Group A soccer tournament in Warsaw. REUTERS

4 posted on 06/13/2012 12:13:12 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Cronos

There’s numerous reasons that the USA doesn’t embrace what the rest of the world calls ‘football’, and these violent mutant fans are one of the biggest.

If the USA were ever to become a serious contender in World Cup/FIFA/Association Football (or however it is known), chances are that someday the United States’ turn would come around to host a championship event. That would mean that we’d have to allow hundreds of thousands of football fans from all over the planet to visit the USA, and that just isnt going to happen.

There is no goddamned way we’re about to let thousands of potato-headed Slavic mutant vandals from Russia come here and march drunkenly through the streets. That goes likewise for Portuguese and Latvians and Yemenis and Ecuadoreans and Khazakhis and Bulgarians and so on. The bastards would never ever leave once they got here. We’d host one world soccer tournament and instantly be sorry that we agreed to it.


5 posted on 06/13/2012 12:20:41 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

are you following the matches? Today is the big one — Nederlands v/s Deutschland!


6 posted on 06/13/2012 12:34:01 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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There is no goddamned way we’re about to let thousands of potato-headed Slavic mutant vandals from Russia come here and march drunkenly through the streets.

Uh, but we will allow them to protest Bush and Republicans doing the same thing; OR even worse, allow them to sit in our streets like Occupy and create a rat infested, drug riddled, crime camp like they did here in DC.

Just to note, we hosted 1994 World Cup.

This whole incident goes back to the historically poor treatment that Russians have given to the Poles. The list is too long to go over.

7 posted on 06/13/2012 12:35:25 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: The KG9 Kid; Berlin_Freeper
err.. the USA already hosted the World Cup -- in 1994 it went off pretty well..
8 posted on 06/13/2012 12:38:21 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

YES!
9 posted on 06/13/2012 12:55:09 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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We hosted world cup soccer? huh, I guess we did at that. I lived in Los Angeles at the time.

So he visitors must have pretty much only been the politicians from those nations, right? I don’t recall any of these toothless mutants waving Nazi flags visiting.


10 posted on 06/13/2012 1:06:39 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Cronos
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11 posted on 06/13/2012 1:38:18 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Cronos
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12 posted on 06/13/2012 2:44:44 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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Not to mention that the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth conquered and ruled large parts of Russia from 1380 (not by coincidence, the year that the Russian first succeeded in defeating the Mongols but were thereby weakened against military incursions from the west) and it took 400 years to get back those ares from Polish rule.

Poland ruled some parts of Russian for centuries longer (1380 - 1762/1795) than Russia ever ruled parts of Poland (1762/1795 to 1918, the same period that Austria and Germany ruled the other 2/3 of Poland!)

Also, people still remember the Polish massacres in Galich and Kostroma, north of Moscow, as part of the 1610 takeover of Russia.

Poland has been pretty successful in getting Western acceptance of their one-sided presentation of history, when it is far more symmetrical over time than most people know.

13 posted on 06/13/2012 3:07:07 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Cronos
Dutch in disarray
14 posted on 06/13/2012 3:07:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: The KG9 Kid
...and these violent mutant fans are one of the biggest.

Are you talking about the violence after a World Series, NBA championship, Super Bowl...? Just asking...!

15 posted on 06/13/2012 3:14:07 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

“So he visitors must have pretty much only been the politicians from those nations, right? I don’t recall any of these toothless mutants waving Nazi flags visiting.”

The toothless mutants tend to stay near home - they’re only causing trouble because of where the event is, it tends not to transfer to another continent.


16 posted on 06/13/2012 3:49:01 AM PDT by Caulkhead
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To: Berlin_Freeper

#11 LMAO!!! I am so stealing this...


17 posted on 06/13/2012 5:31:06 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: raybbr

Darn you people that keep making good points against me in this thread.


18 posted on 06/13/2012 8:50:44 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
well, technically there was no "Russia" but "russias" -- even the Tsar's title was "Tsar of the Russias" -- while it was Muscowy which conquered the various Rus entities

Remember that the Muscowite ruler slaughterd the people of Novgorod and eradicated the language of the Ukrainians and Białorussians

The lands to the west of Muscowy -- the Białorussian and Western Ukrainian lands were not and are not Russian but Ruthenian, or more properly one branch of the East slavs separate from Muscowy

19 posted on 06/15/2012 8:51:49 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
well, technically there was no "Russia" but "russias" -- even the Tsar's title was "Tsar of the Russias" -- while it was Muscowy which conquered the various Rus entities

Remember that the Muscowite ruler slaughterd the people of Novgorod and eradicated the language of the Ukrainians and Białorussians

The lands to the west of Muscowy -- the Białorussian and Western Ukrainian lands were not and are not Russian but Ruthenian, or more properly one branch of the East slavs separate from Muscowy

20 posted on 06/15/2012 8:52:04 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
the same period that Austria and Germany ruled the other 2/3 of Poland!)

Well, remember this -- the partitions were not equal, the Muscowites took the largest share

Remember again that just a few decades earlier the Muscowites had demolished much of the Russian lands like Nowgorod etc. -- well, to be fair this was Ivan IV's doing, and he was equally brutal to his own people

you talk of Soligalich etc. but the numbers don't match

Also, the Polish-Muscowite war was to a large extent supported by various Muscowite boyars and the idea was mooted of a Polish-Russian union, which could have happened if not for Zygmunt III Waza -- his son, Władisław was in fact declared Tsar, remember.

21 posted on 06/16/2012 5:50:59 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: The KG9 Kid; raybbr
well, it's not against you, but just pointing out errors in your posts -- no one besides God knows everything, so no big deal in making a few mistakes if one acknowledges the errors (as you did) when pointed it out
22 posted on 06/16/2012 5:52:08 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

One really can’t blame the Poles for their attitude toward the Russians. As the Red Army rolled westward toward Berlin, they camped outside Warsaw. Polish patriots rose up against the Nazi garrison and fought desperately, assuming that the Red Army would come to their rescue. But Stalin held his forces outside the city and let the two sides slaughter each other. “Uncle Joe” figured that the Poles fighting the Nazis would be the ones least likely to accept Soviet rule. For him, the betrayal of the Poles was a win-win situation.


23 posted on 06/16/2012 6:12:43 AM PDT by Ax (You've got to hand it to Venus de Milo.)
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