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End of the Honeymoon: Germans Increasingly Disillusioned with Obama
Der Spiegel ^ | 06/13/2012 | An Analysis by Bruce Stokes

Posted on 06/13/2012 11:44:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai

In July 2008, in a speech at the base of the Victory Column in Berlin's Tiergarten park, before tens of thousands of deliriously adoring onlookers, then US presidential candidate Barack Obama promised a renewal of America's stature in the world. After his election that November, Germans, other Europeans and many people around the world embraced Obama in large part because he was not George W. Bush. Reversing a half-decade of profound anti-Americanism, support for the new US president and America soared to what has now proven to be unsustainable levels, especially in Germany. Obama's honeymoon with the German people is not over. But now, as he seeks re-election, the first indications of friction in the relationship are emerging.

In a new global survey released on Wednesday, approval of President Barack Obama's policies has declined significantly since he first took office. Overall confidence in Obama and attitudes toward the US have slipped modestly as a consequence. By several measures some of the greatest slippage has occurred in Germany, especially with regard to America's image and Obama's foreign policies. After more than three years in office, Germans are disappointed in the US president's unilateralism; his use of force, particularly drone strikes; his inaction with regard to the Israeli-Palestinian situation and his lack of effort in curbing climate change. …

Germans also don't see America as an economic superpower. In 2008, only 30 percent of Germans named China as the world's leading economic player. Now 62 percent do, while only 13 percent say the U.S. plays that role. No other Europeans judge American economic prowess so harshly.

This decline in support for the United States is closely linked to Germans' critical views of Obama's handling of particular international concerns. …

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: obama

1 posted on 06/13/2012 11:44:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
"then US presidential candidate Barack Obama promised a renewal of America's stature in the world"

The Obammunist offered his German comrades a rock band entertainment; his speech was the price of admission.

yitbos

2 posted on 06/14/2012 12:02:44 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Olog-hai
So the moonbat lovefest is over?


3 posted on 06/14/2012 12:19:11 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Olog-hai

I wouldn’t take advice from a group of people who gave us the Frankfurt School.


4 posted on 06/14/2012 12:39:38 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Olog-hai
Lame ducks are easily recognizable every where they roam.


5 posted on 06/14/2012 12:58:33 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: bruinbirdman
" "then US presidential candidate Barack Obama promised a renewal of America's stature in the world"
The Obammunist offered his German comrades a rock band entertainment; his speech was the price of admission.
that's what I recall; the (almost) complete idolatry of Herr O'Bozo was scary/amazing
don't they remember what happened there in (1933) Germany..a short 75 years ago?
& why should they have cared? He was/is our problem.
..history was/is replaying itself on our soil.

6 posted on 06/14/2012 1:00:46 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: clearcarbon

That look is priceless. She looks like she is looking at an idiot that she can not trust


7 posted on 06/14/2012 1:23:33 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Olog-hai

[Germans also don’t see America as an economic superpower.]

That’s good. They’ll understand why we can no longer afford to garrison an army on their soil.


8 posted on 06/14/2012 1:49:14 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Thing is, they’ll welcome that. May not sound like it at first, but the people at the Bundeswehr and BND are busy beavers with plans galore.


9 posted on 06/14/2012 2:13:44 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Especially when there is indication that he will lose in November and the American taxpayer socialist bailout stops.


10 posted on 06/14/2012 2:59:01 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
She looks like she is looking at an idiot that she can not trust

There is a lot of that going around these days...

11 posted on 06/14/2012 3:00:08 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over...)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“She looks like she is looking at an idiot that she can not trust
There is a lot of that going around these days... “

And the Germans are disillusioned? What about the rest of us? He has got to go.


12 posted on 06/14/2012 3:26:45 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Olog-hai

Obammy is all flash and no dash.


13 posted on 06/14/2012 3:32:32 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Olog-hai
You really gotta hand to them Germans, they are incredibly astute about politics. They stuck with the last politician they were infatuated with until the Red Army surrounded his bunker. Not anymore. Two or three international banking crises, scandals and they see right though this feckless empty shirt. The last time they had a road to Damascus moment it took the Eight Air Force and two million troops on the ground.
14 posted on 06/14/2012 3:44:13 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Olog-hai
"Germans are disappointed in the US president's unilateralism; his use of force, particularly drone strikes; his inaction with regard to the Israeli-Palestinian situation and his lack of effort in curbing climate change."

"Nevertheless, they still have overwhelming confidence in Obama's overall international leadership."

Diese Leute sind verrückt!
"only in Greece (35 percent) is pro-American sentiment weaker."
Probably because the Greeks realize that the wreckage of the U.S. economy by the U.S. Left means that the Americans will not be able to bail them out when the Germans wise-up and refuse to.

Naw! That's giving the Greeks far too much credit.

They probably hate the U.S. because the Americans haven't bailed them out already.

"Germans 50 years of age and older are now far less pro-American (49 percent) than Germans ages 18 to 29 (61 percent)."
Three quarters of a century ago, who would have thought that Germany--of all places--would harbor the best hope for salvaging the wreck of Western Civilization???
15 posted on 06/14/2012 3:46:00 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Long may our land be bright with freedom's holy light.)
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To: Olog-hai; nathanbedford

I have never understood the Euroscum fascination with “Obama”.

Even in 2007, Eurotrash of my acquaintance were going on and on about the bright new future under Teh Won.

Apart from the fact that it was none of their damn business, what did he represent to them that was so great?


16 posted on 06/14/2012 3:58:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Olog-hai
May not sound like it at first, but the people at the Bundeswehr and BND are busy beavers with plans galore.

The people who did this are not our dear old West Germans.

17 posted on 06/14/2012 4:01:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Olog-hai

In other words he isn’t left wing enough for them


18 posted on 06/14/2012 4:15:49 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Jim Noble

Dear Sir,

this was just an International Festival of Military Music in Moscow a few years ago, in which this German military band had been invited to participate.

Not a real military parade in the strictest sense of the word, thank G-d.

Kindest regards,
Roadgeek


19 posted on 06/14/2012 4:24:30 AM PDT by Roadgeek
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To: Olog-hai

20 posted on 06/14/2012 4:26:03 AM PDT by equaviator
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To: Savage Beast

With G-d all things are possible, thus I am still filled with hope for our world :-)

Kindest regards,
Roadgeek


21 posted on 06/14/2012 4:30:00 AM PDT by Roadgeek
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To: Roadgeek

I suppose you’re right, but I’d feel a lot better if He didn’t have such a sense of humor.


22 posted on 06/14/2012 4:39:16 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Long may our land be bright with freedom's holy light.)
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To: Olog-hai

The Germans are unhappy because Obama has not turned out to be nearly the total commie they want him to be. Not that Obama isn’t trying. It’s just that there’s this thing called Congress and the Supreme Court that keep him from implementing the leftist dictatorship he would dearly like to install. Hang on Germans, if Fearless Leader gets re-elected, we’ll be closer to that commie utopia you cherish.


23 posted on 06/14/2012 4:43:38 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Olog-hai
disillusioned

What a perfect term with its implication that support for him was based on an illusion from the start. It's like basing an economy on a game of three card monte. Meanwhile we were yelling from the start "it's the left card. He always picks the left card."

24 posted on 06/14/2012 4:45:31 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Jim Noble
"fascination"

Europeans are far more utopian leftist in their political and social worldview than Americans. They think they can create that utopia on earth without the twin evils (in their minds) of military prowess and free-market capitalism. In short, they have a deluded, twisted view of how the world works. And many of them still harbor a totalitarian streak. Which is why people in Europe can be tossed in the clink for speaking their minds about Islamism.

25 posted on 06/14/2012 4:49:24 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: uncbob
"isn't left wing enough"

You got it.

26 posted on 06/14/2012 4:50:16 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

I meant to say that many of them harbor a fascist streak rather than totalitarian.


27 posted on 06/14/2012 4:52:35 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Savage Beast

Sometimes I have had the same thought, but then I always recall the life of Job, who reaped a bountiful harvest for remaining true to Him through all trials and tribulations.

Supposedly, we will have to remain just as steadfast as Job did in his time.


28 posted on 06/14/2012 4:53:50 AM PDT by Roadgeek
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To: Jim Noble
The people who did this are not our dear old West Germans.

?? That's just what a highly watered-down, Bundeswehr-ized German military band looks and sounds like.

If you want to see the real thing, go to about the 14:00 mark in this video. The East Germans maintained all of the old Prussian military traditions.

Hitler didn't invent any of that; he just used it to great effect. Most of it dates to the Napoleonic wars or before.

29 posted on 06/14/2012 5:05:54 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: eyedigress

I don’t know who the blond haired chick behind BO on the float is suppose to represent, but what the heck is she grabbing on to??

LMAO!!


30 posted on 06/14/2012 5:48:11 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
That is exactly what she is looking at.
31 posted on 06/14/2012 6:53:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Savage Beast
Germans 50 years of age and older are now far less pro-American (49 percent) than Germans ages 18 to 29 (61 percent)."

A lot of those 50 and older were the Baader-Meinhof types.

32 posted on 06/14/2012 6:55:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: All

Because of their hatred for Bush they would be blinded by a snake oil salesman...


33 posted on 06/14/2012 7:26:43 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Jim Noble
Jim, as you know, Europe's antipathy towards George Bush bordered on the pathological and nowhere was that visceral reaction more deeply felt than in Germany. Much of the pro-Obama sentiment in Germany can be understood as anti-Bush sentiment, the idea that Obama opposed Bush on virtually every issue.

We see America as a Shining City on the Hill standing athwart the on march of world socialism with a stop sign. Germans see themselves, because of their unique history, disqualified from maintaining unilateral positions on the world stage and are therefore reduced to multilateralism. They are by the force of their own history obliged to look for a multinational solutions. This melds very nicely with a socialist bent already abroad in Europe and it becomes very easy to see George Bush as the devil incarnate who maintains a robust foreign policy in which America acts as a world policeman and opposes world government, not to mention communism and Islam.

To the degree that Germany, and the rest of Europe to some degree, by virtue of their weak military, history, culture, and new left philosophy are committed to multinationalism, they must oppose America. Obama promised to undo this robust Ronald Reagan foreign policy which George Bush had carried out.

To the degree that the war in Iraq has been a mixed experience, the Germans feel vindicated in every criticism they ever made about George Bush. They believe that America's economic problems are almost entirely due to money squandered in Iraq and to a lesser extent in Afghanistan. No amount of insistence that his wars cost much less than the Germans think relative to our debt has any power to disabuse them of this fixed notion.

Finally, race must enter into this equation. Germans tend to see African-Americans as exotic. Strangely, they retain a degree of anti-Semitism but entertain relatively no racism against Africans as far as I can determine. One sees this phenomenon manifested in their attitude about Barack Obama, perhaps fashioned by their fascination with Nelson Mandela, and further evidenced by their affinity toward south Africa where they send class trips, make exchanges and where they frequently holiday.


34 posted on 06/14/2012 8:12:14 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: clearcarbon
Lame ducks are easily recognizable every where they roam.

Great pic accompanies that, but I wonder if she also could be thinking of "Daffy"?

35 posted on 06/14/2012 11:12:59 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: clearcarbon
Lame ducks are easily recognizable every where they roam.

Great pic accompanies that, but I wonder if she also could be thinking of "Daffy"?

36 posted on 06/14/2012 11:14:47 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Olog-hai

[Thing is, they’ll welcome that. May not sound like it at first, but the people at the Bundeswehr and BND are busy beavers with plans galore.]

We can learn from this. Their military establishment has always had good ideas and we have never hesitated to borrow them.


37 posted on 06/14/2012 3:32:41 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: clearcarbon; BenLurkin; gov_bean_ counter
There might be more to this photo then just looking at an idiot. Take a look at this. Germany is starting to take Islam seriously:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/german-authorities-make-move-salafist-muslims-17-states

38 posted on 06/14/2012 10:18:06 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

They have been taking Islam seriously, at least since the Multikulturhaus in Neu-Ulm was closed by the authorities in 2005.


39 posted on 06/15/2012 2:10:58 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I’m, uh, sorry to hear that. Why is this important?


40 posted on 06/15/2012 8:09:19 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: Olog-hai
many people around the world embraced Obama in large part because he was not George W. Bush

If you're going to play the conservative, you may as well act the part because they'll demonize incessantly regardless. There's no use in being a liberal republican because in the end, noone will like you or respect you.

41 posted on 06/15/2012 8:12:24 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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